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Posted this in Hunting Rifles before Jorge told me this forum existed, so I will post here as well...
Thinking of buying a rifle chambered in .375 H&H, particularly a model 70 Winchester. My question is: do I want the Alaskan or the Safari Express? I understand the differences, but I am interested in first hand experience people may have with either. Also, if anyone has any other rifles in this chamfering under the $2k mark I should be looking at please let me know...I'd like sto stick with a Mauser style bolt gun. Thanks for replies Northerner
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Northerener, I found the Safari Express a very big rifle, more suited to the 458. Worth trying one before you buy.
Have no experience with the Alaskan model.
I sold my 375 Safari Express and had a friend make me a lighter from my 270 Classic.
I also like a nice Mauser 98, either standard or magnum action, for a 375H&H. I have both.
Good luck, look forward to seeing what you choose.
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Like I've said, pick what fits you. (That means throwing it up, eyes closed and opening them to see if you are looking through the rings / iron sights with cheek weld make "going bang" happen for you without moving your head.
To discover which model(s) fit me I went to a gun show and tried on a lot of rifles. (Then I had to learn about LOP and junk like that!) I am not of average build -- hogbacks and Monte Carlo's or Lux of BDL, Brno/CZ etc. conformation go well with my longer neck. Many prefer the classic / straight stock which fits the average bear best.
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Surf our classifieds and or gun auction sites for a Whitworth Express...nice rifles for the $$$$ Mauser action, controlled round feed yada yada.... They look like this....
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A couple of years ago I found a Ruger RSM in 375 H&H on the net. It came with a VX3 Leupold of 1.5 to 5x. Cost me $1,800. It is heavy weighing in at 11.5 lbs so it may be larger than what you are interested in. It is gorgeous though. Quarter length barrel rib. Leaf sights and removable front sight. The action is smooth as butter. It also shoots wonderfully small groups. You might check into this option.
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I wouldn't overlook a Weatherby vanguard either. I have several and all are extremely accurate, and the price is damned right on them
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ingwe, I suppose you sold this .375 also!!!
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ingwe, I suppose you sold this .375 also!!! I did!!! When I was doing a LOT of big game hunting my battery consisted of: the Ingwe Special 7x57 A"custom" M70 in 300 H&H and, The Whitworth pictured above in .375 H&H and they all wore Leupold 1.5-5s That covered all my bases.They have all been moved on now because the only bases I need covered are deer sized on down, and the cf .22s work great on that. Where required, I use a .243 as my "big" gun.... Killed some cool junk with the ,375 though...... amongst others.....
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Surf our classifieds and or gun auction sites for a Whitworth Express...nice rifles for the $$$$ Mauser action, controlled round feed yada yada.... They look like this.... +1 on the whitworth. Very nice rifles.
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ingwe, nice rifles.. I never did the 7x57, but have the other 2 calibers.. I have sold some of my favorites like those you mention, but always regretted my decision... I later wanted them if only for an afternoon of shooting to remember.. When I sold, if I didn't purchase another rifle, I only fooled the money away, and had nothing.. Hope it isn't that way for you.. Haven't used my .375 much, but last year shot a moose and an elk.. I 'll use it on bear or deer than give it to one of my younger friends who will appreciate it, and maybe think of me in yeas to come.. Looks like you have made some awesome hunts in your life.. I never was able to take any of the big 5.. You have been there done that at least some.. I like my .22's, and have shot lots of deer size game with them, but I just can't rely on them for most of my deer hunting, even at almost 70, I get pretty excited when I decide it is time to shoot..
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That sable was a dream I never achieved, and probably never will.. What an awesome trophy.. I would take him over the buff, but the cape was a beauty also..
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Like I've said, pick what fits you. (That means throwing it up, eyes closed and opening them to see if you are looking through the rings / iron sights with cheek weld make "going bang" happen for you without moving your head.
To discover which model(s) fit me I went to a gun show and tried on a lot of rifles. (Then I had to learn about LOP and junk like that!) I am not of average build -- hogbacks and Monte Carlo's or Lux of BDL, Brno/CZ etc. conformation go well with my longer neck. Many prefer the classic / straight stock which fits the average bear best. I agree 100% find the rifle that fits.
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ingwe, nice rifles.. I never did the 7x57, but have the other 2 calibers.. I have sold some of my favorites like those you mention, but always regretted my decision... I later wanted them if only for an afternoon of shooting to remember.. When I sold, if I didn't purchase another rifle, I only fooled the money away, and had nothing.. Hope it isn't that way for you.. Haven't used my .375 much, but last year shot a moose and an elk.. I 'll use it on bear or deer than give it to one of my younger friends who will appreciate it, and maybe think of me in yeas to come.. Looks like you have made some awesome hunts in your life.. I never was able to take any of the big 5.. You have been there done that at least some.. I like my .22's, and have shot lots of deer size game with them, but I just can't rely on them for most of my deer hunting, even at almost 70, I get pretty excited when I decide it is time to shoot.. Interesting! We have an unwritten code in the Montana gun culture. Gun Money goes back into guns. Periodamundo! I have been fortunate in my hunts, and have gotten two of the big five...though never made a quest of any of the others. One of them almost got me( hence the handle "Ingwe") see pic below of tired hunter after 21 hours of tracking this wounded leopard... someday I'll tell you the story in person and with liquid courage at hand! And at 63, I learned long long ago to not get excited about the shot, you have the rest of your life to be excited about it ex post facto.
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ingwe, I will look forward to our visit about your hunts.. I''ll get the FIRST liquid courage!!!!!! I know about not getting excited, but when I decide this is IT!! I do get excited.. One thing I have noticed over the years, the country one hunts in makes a great difference in what I shoot.. Just hunted whitetails in eastern Wy. The grass in the creek bottoms was so high it covered most of the deer's body.. I had my .22-250 with the idea of taking my buck with it, but passed when the time came.. The grass deflected a 100 gr. Nosler Part. But different conditions permit much different calibers.. Shot lots of whitetails in W. Va. with various .22's, but there were hundreds of deer and unlimited chances... But NO big bucks.. Looking forward to a visit..
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Heading that way in February on my way to Tejas.....
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I've got a push feed post-64 "Super Express" .375 H&H...I don't know if that is the older push feed version of the "Safari Express" or not.
Its been a hell of a good rifle and have killed deer, elk, antelope and a wolf with it, plus quite a few random smaller critters. It hasn't seen a LOT of use, but enough for me to trust the rifle when I need to. It is heavy though so I don't carry it as much as I used to.
I am not too sure what the difference is between the Alaskan and the Safari Express, other than the cross-bolts and finish...I figured the Alaskan would be a synthetic but I guess it is not. In any event, I haven't had an issue with the wood/blue "Super Express" in the worst conditions Montana and Wyoming can throw at a guy.
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Heading that way in February on my way to Tejas..... Tom, If you are in the Hill Country let me know and I will let you cook up some steaks here as I pour nearby Rebecca Creek down us. Always an empty room here.
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Ed...I just may be in touch..... If not I'll catch you in March for the pig hunt for sure!
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Recently picked up a Cabelas Ltd. Edition FN made Winchester Model 70 in .375 H&H. Looking forward to shooting it. http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SS30ANV/media/.375HampH_zpsfkmsoajo.png.html]
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Surf our classifieds and or gun auction sites for a Whitworth Express...nice rifles for the $$$$ Mauser action, controlled round feed yada yada.... They look like this.... I love that photo. A real classic. Even with you in there, Poobah... DF
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Thanks! You'll probably like this one too.....
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My late wife's father used to say anyone who doesn't get excited shooting a deer should check to make sure they are not dead.
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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There is a Weatherby 375 H&H here in the classifieds. Not as romantic as some Safari models, but it will get the job done.
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Surf our classifieds and or gun auction sites for a Whitworth Express...nice rifles for the $$$$ Mauser action, controlled round feed yada yada.... They look like this.... I love that photo. A real classic. Even with you in there, Poobah... DF When you said classic, I thought for sure you were talking about him...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Surf our classifieds and or gun auction sites for a Whitworth Express...nice rifles for the $$$$ Mauser action, controlled round feed yada yada.... They look like this.... I love that photo. A real classic. Even with you in there, Poobah... DF When you said classic, I thought for sure you were talking about him... Well, "unique" for sure... DF
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The NH Classic in .375 H&H is a tad barrel heavy. The 24" tube has the same contour, .458 and .416. Obviously the .375 bore leaves a lot more steel and weight. To me, those guns do MUCH better bobbed off to around 21". Handling is greatly improved. Those barrels are shooters, way too good to discard and replace. This one is 21", has NECG irons, balances and handles really well. The Tupperware stock isn't bad, not as good as a Legend, but $600 cheaper... DF
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mine will be enroute to match yours dirtfarmer very soon. Think I may go to 20".
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20" will work.
You'll like the fast handling and with a big bore, I don't think you'll lose enough velocity to tell the difference. Critters won't know, for sure...
To me, a used NH M-70 Classic is a real value. You have the desired NH trigger, three position swing safety, CRF in a solid, near bullet proof package. What's not to like and prices aren't that bad. Considering what you get, maybe the best deal going.
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I got this one used on the Fire Classified. I had it cut down, sights added, later. Redneck had worked on it and it's super slick. This gun will cycle EMPTY cases from the mag as fast as I can work the action! Now, that's a well tuned action, those empty cases are hitting center chamber every time. Of course, it feeds rounds WITH seated bullets very well... DF
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My NH Classic has been chopped to 21 1/2" and deeply fluted. In the Brown Pounder stock it handles extremely well.
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I like that.
How much weight you think you lost with fluting?
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Anyone looking I have a Rem. Model 798 that I bought for a return trip to Africa for a buffalo hunt but that idea has gone by the wayside. I purchased the gun from a master gunsmith that was preparing it for the Wounded Warrior Program.
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Anyone looking I have a Rem. Model 798 that I bought for a return trip to Africa for a buffalo hunt but that idea has gone by the wayside. I purchased the gun from a master gunsmith that was preparing it for the Wounded Warrior Program. Photos? DF
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Another vote for a Whitworth. Upgraded the trigger and safety on mine and like it a lot.
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Posted this in Hunting Rifles before Jorge told me this forum existed, so I will post here as well...
Thinking of buying a rifle chambered in .375 H&H, particularly a model 70 Winchester. My question is: do I want the Alaskan or the Safari Express? I understand the differences, but I am interested in first hand experience people may have with either. Also, if anyone has any other rifles in this chamfering under the $2k mark I should be looking at please let me know...I'd like sto stick with a Mauser style bolt gun. Thanks for replies Northerner As mentioned earlier check out the 375 Vanguard Weatherby well under 2k, and worth every dollar. Good rifles are kept not sold!! Remember that. LOL
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30338,
I have a Whitworth .375 H&H as well. Dave Gentry told me that installing one of his 3-position safeties made the stock trigger work very well, because it didn't have to be adjusted to allow the sliding safety to work. So I had him install a 3-position, and he was right!
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My NH Classic has been chopped to 21 1/2" and deeply fluted. In the Brown Pounder stock it handles extremely well. Ed, ain't that a smooth rig?! One of the ones I regret letting go of for sure. Glad it ended up in good hands.
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Figures, could have saved some coin on that one. It does shoot well now and the safety to me is a big upgrade.
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If any of you are interested, I've got a walnut takeoff stock from a NH Classic Super Express in .375 H&H for sale in the classifieds right now. Can send photos if interested...
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I like that.
How much weight you think you lost with fluting?
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My NH Classic has been chopped to 21 1/2" and deeply fluted. In the Brown Pounder stock it handles extremely well. Ed, ain't that a smooth rig?! One of the ones I regret letting go of for sure. Glad it ended up in good hands. It is a great rifle. We will be chasing brownies in five weeks. Do you know who did the work?
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Hey Fellas, Update: Picked up my M70 SE last week...now I need to decide what scope to put on it and mounts. Was thinking of a VX-3i 1.75-6, also was thinking that a guy need some sort of quick release mounts in case you want to use the iron sights? thoughts?
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Hey Fellas, Update: Picked up my M70 SE last week...now I need to decide what scope to put on it and mounts. Was thinking of a VX-3i 1.75-6, also was thinking that a guy need some sort of quick release mounts in case you want to use the iron sights? thoughts?
thanks! Northerner That is exactly what I have on my Model 70. EAW QD mounts on that Leupold. BTW, I've NEVER used the irons.
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I'll third it. That's what I used on all three of my .375s. Only one of those had iron sights, and my QD mounts and rings were Warnes.
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My Classic stainless has a VX III in Talleys, with a Talley peep as well. I use the irons about 50% of the time. These days the 9.3x62 gets most of the work, but the .375 was used hard for over a decade. The Talleys have been totally reliable.
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I have a mod 70 super express and the barrel contour is the same as the 458. My rifle weighs in at 10 lbs 4oz with scope and rings. For me it comes up very nicely and I shoot it well. I wouldn't rule out that Whitworth, They are nice rifles and if you look hard you can pick one up very reasonable. EdM, that is my exact load.
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I had one like that, replaced it with the SS/Tupperware version posted earlier. After seeing EdM's fluted barrel, I'm going to send mine to Karl Kampfeld for similar treatment. I like the look and it may be a tad lighter.
My thinking, altough the walnut/blue version is prettier, SS/Tupperware should withstand hard use and abuse better. The classic shape of the Tupperware stock without cheek piece suits me better, especially with irons..
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I had one like that, replaced it with the SS/Tupperware version posted earlier. After seeing EdM's fluted barrel, I'm going to send mine to Karl Kampfeld for similar treatment. I like the look and it may be a tad lighter.
My thinking, altough the walnut/blue version is prettier, SS/Tupperware should withstand hard use and abuse better. The classic shape of the Tupperware stock without cheek piece suits me better, especially with irons..
DF DF, I like the Tupperware stock too. They fit me well. The only downfall to them is they are pretty soft. Not a huge deal since you can find them all day long for $50.00.
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I have a mod 70 super express and the barrel contour is the same as the 458. My rifle weighs in at 10 lbs 4oz with scope and rings. For me it comes up very nicely and I shoot it well. I wouldn't rule out that Whitworth, They are nice rifles and if you look hard you can pick one up very reasonable. EdM, that is my exact load. Nice rifle and shooting.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Regardless of the rifle, it is a wonderful cartridge.
Anything from 38-55 level cast bullet loads, to 235 Barnes screaming out @3000 fps to big DG solids, it will do them all. Perhaps the most flexible CF big game cartridge and blessed with the never fail H&H case design.
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I had one like that, replaced it with the SS/Tupperware version posted earlier. After seeing EdM's fluted barrel, I'm going to send mine to Karl Kampfeld for similar treatment. I like the look and it may be a tad lighter.
My thinking, altough the walnut/blue version is prettier, SS/Tupperware should withstand hard use and abuse better. The classic shape of the Tupperware stock without cheek piece suits me better, especially with irons..
DF Have that one,now re-stocked with a Banser stock. Before. After.
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I had one like that, replaced it with the SS/Tupperware version posted earlier. After seeing EdM's fluted barrel, I'm going to send mine to Karl Kampfeld for similar treatment. I like the look and it may be a tad lighter.
My thinking, altough the walnut/blue version is prettier, SS/Tupperware should withstand hard use and abuse better. The classic shape of the Tupperware stock without cheek piece suits me better, especially with irons..
DF Have that one,now re-stocked with a Banser stock. Before. After. MUCH better!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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It is! With the Winchester stock "starting loads" were pure hell! Took it out last weekend,there's still recoil,but it does not hurt near as much. Work up a load using a 270 gr Swift A-Frame going at 2690 fps.
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It is! With the Winchester stock "starting loads" were pure hell! Took it out last weekend,there's still recoil,but it does not hurt near as much. Work up a load using a 270 gr Swift A-Frame going at 2690 fps. The Bansner and similarly shaped stocks do mitigate recoil better (even though they are lighter). I'll give them that. It's almost a win win situation, but sometimes throws the balance way off. Alright if you don't mind carrying your rifle upside down or by the scope.. I've had one, and sold it and oddly enough went back to the tupperware. My only gripe, but there it is... Like I said before though, very nice rifle Ken..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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My M-70 .404J build had a Legend stock and I liked it. Tell us more about the Bansnor, never had one. I thought about a Legend, wasn't wanting to put out another $600.
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For $525 (price including stock) it was bedded,painted and the recoil pad put on. It weighs just over 9 lbs and it does not kick like a mule and a donkey anymore.
BSA,the balance is the same as with the old stock,at least in my hand it is.
Already killed a couple jackrabbits with it.
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Here is my .404J build on a SS-M-70 RUM donor with D'Arcy's Legend stock, Williams bottom metal, painted with brown Aluma-hyde. The Legend handles great. DF
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I picked up an Interarms mark X and really love it . Nice rifles Broke it in on a management quota doe
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Already killed a couple jackrabbits with it.
Man, you hard on dem wabbits... Thought yo wabbit gun was a .460 Wby... DF
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Our jackrabbits "especially cheeky." Going to hunt them in September when it cools off. It was 105* yesterday at 6:00 pm.
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92* here, but the heat index is 106*. I did some shooting this AM, got pretty hot around noon and I came in.
Guess I spend too much time in an AC office, can't take too much of this tripple digit stuff.
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It's in the upper 70's to low 80's here in the morning. By 9 o'clock in the morning it's already to hot.
Right now it's 100*,can't wait for Summer to be over!
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For $525 (price including stock) it was bedded,painted and the recoil pad put on. It weighs just over 9 lbs and it does not kick like a mule and a donkey anymore.
BSA,the balance is the same as with the old stock,at least in my hand it is.
Already killed a couple jackrabbits with it. That's cool. Especially the jackrabbit part.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I picked up an Interarms mark X and really love it . Nice rifles Broke it in on a management quota doe Beautiful interarms mkX. I've had them. they are exceptional rifles.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Used the 270 gr Hornady RN on them,no pics as they were ummm well,lets just say the pics would've been gruesome.
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Used the 270 gr Hornady RN on them,no pics as they were ummm well,lets just say the pics would've been gruesome. . No worse than shooting them with shotgun slugs... Ask me how I know that...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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It's in the upper 70's to low 80's here in the morning. By 9 o'clock in the morning it's already to hot.
Right now it's 100*,can't wait for Summer to be over! I know what you're saying. I've hunted Speed Goats in NE NM, even got into the Kiowa Grasslands on one trip. It's good to have those goats in the truck and on ice by 9 AM if possible. That's happened a few times. DF
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Shot them a 250 gr NP from a .340 Wby,interesting to watch body parts fly up into the air about 30 feet. DF,yeah hunting antelope in this heat,meat care is first and foremost.
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We heard some of the natives calling them "stink goats". One local had a pronghorn carcass hanging from an old International tractor front end loader as we entered the ranch. That goat was still hanging when we drove back by his house; our goats were already on ice. I'm sure they're "stink goats" handled like that. And it was August... Us Cajuns are particular about our game animals, take good care of the meat. Pronghorns are good eating if one takes care of the meat. I haven't tried my .375 on pronghorns, used 6.5-284 and .240. I'm sure it would work... About like it does on NM wabbits... DF
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And when they took those animals home to eat,their wives probably never let them hunt antelope again.
Yup antelope is good eatin' if one takes care of the animal once it hits the ground.
I've used a 6mm-284,.25/06,.270 Win and 7mm Rem Mag on antelope. I hunted antelope in Wyoming in 1990,1992 and 1993,plus here in New Mexico.
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Hey Fellas, Update: Picked up my M70 SE last week...now I need to decide what scope to put on it and mounts. Was thinking of a VX-3i 1.75-6, also was thinking that a guy need some sort of quick release mounts in case you want to use the iron sights? thoughts?
thanks! Northerner Pick up an extra mag spring before you head out somewhere. M70 is a fine rifle but that spring seems to be a weak point. I’m on my third! (Or, just make darned sure you never stuff ‘one more’ in the mag when you’re excited! )
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Hey Fellas, Update: Picked up my M70 SE last week...now I need to decide what scope to put on it and mounts. Was thinking of a VX-3i 1.75-6, also was thinking that a guy need some sort of quick release mounts in case you want to use the iron sights? thoughts?
thanks! Northerner Pick up an extra mag spring before you head out somewhere. M70 is a fine rifle but that spring seems to be a weak point. I’m on my third! (Or, just make darned sure you never stuff ‘one more’ in the mag when you’re excited! ) Great idea. Any M70/Mauser traveling kit should include a spare follower spring and a spare extractor.Easy prevention and maintenance. Not that you will need them....but you might. Good reminder....a need a spare follower spring and a couple of standard case extractors for my kits.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I love reading the posts of the faithful sitting at the alter of the all around "King" worldwide game slayer, The Great 375 Holland & Holland Magnum!
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Well Gunner,I do use another .375 for jackrabbits,the .375 RUM. Used a 300 gr Hornady on this one.
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A no contact flyby would probably askeer him to death.
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Dem wabbits catching hell... DF
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Looks like you barely grazed his back leg and he died....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Looks like you barely grazed his back leg and he died.... That gives credence to gunner's hypothesis... DF
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Hey Fellas, Update: Picked up my M70 SE last week...now I need to decide what scope to put on it and mounts. Was thinking of a VX-3i 1.75-6, also was thinking that a guy need some sort of quick release mounts in case you want to use the iron sights? thoughts?
thanks! Northerner Pick up an extra mag spring before you head out somewhere. M70 is a fine rifle but that spring seems to be a weak point. I’m on my third! (Or, just make darned sure you never stuff ‘one more’ in the mag when you’re excited! ) Great idea. Any M70/Mauser traveling kit should include a spare follower spring and a spare extractor.Easy prevention and maintenance. Not that you will need them....but you might. Good reminder....a need a spare follower spring and a couple of standard case extractors for my kits. Damnit, I need another spare extractor too. I used my last one on my m1917. . Not that it needed a different extractor, I just like the looks of it better than the one it had on it.. I had one extractor go bad on a pre 64 model 70 and replaced it and then bought a "spare". I'm not going to say how it went bad, just that it did...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Looks like you barely grazed his back leg and he died.... That gives credence to gunner's hypothesis... DF
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I love reading the posts of the faithful sitting at the alter of the all around "King" worldwide game slayer, The Great 375 Holland & Holland Magnum! I'm just enjoying all the jackrabbit kills Ken is posting, along with his rifles. Pretty cool chit. I packed my 375 H&H last elk season, but only got pictures of it leaning up against a tree and chit like that. No elk!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Looks like you barely grazed his back leg and he died.... The rabbit was looking right at me and the bullet hit it in the chest and the exit tore him a new one. Literally.
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Looks like you barely grazed his back leg and he died.... The rabbit was looking right at me and the bullet hit it in the chest and the exit tore him a new one. Literally. It sounds better how I said it...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Yup,it does.
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YUP, Kens da bunny killa waitin' on Elk season.
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First I heard of extractor and magazine spring problems with pre-64 70's.
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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Doesn't Williams or someone make an extractor out of tempered steel, not MIM?
Isn't the extractor issue more of a problem with later CRF M-70's.
First I heard of the follower spring, but having spare parts is a good idea.
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First I heard of extractor and magazine spring problems with pre-64 70's. I broke one extractor. It can happen. They are not bomb proof....nothing is. Never broke a magazine spring but there is nothing unique about a M70 that says it can't happen. They are just rifles.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Sounds like another reason to bring a spare rifle.
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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YUP, Kens da bunny killa waitin' on Elk season. That's damn good practice. Anyone who has shot those zig zagging bastids on a full run with a big game rifle knows what I'm talking about.. . And yes, I've been on a full run after the bastids too... Just incase that sentence is written wrong or misinterpreted.....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Sounds like another reason to bring a spare rifle. Long story short, my buddy (let's call him Troy) was loading cartridges into the chamber like you would a pushfeed rifle: I didn't catch him in time to correct the problem. I know some say the pre 64 can top load like that, but I don't like it. I load from the magazine like any mauser style rifle. Afterwards, it didn't eject for chit. It kind of dribbled the cartridge out of the loading port and on to the ground. I can take pictures of the hairline crack to show you that it does happen.. Even to the infamous pre 64 model 70...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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To be clear, the two magazine springs I’ve broken on my M70 375 have happened when I attempted to load a fourth round in the well inadvertently. While that was my mistake, I’ve often ‘mashed’ magazines on other rifles in various magazine lengths without suffering the same problem. Is my experience a fluke? Perhaps. But Murphy loves flukes. I try to sneak away without informing Murphy, but we all know how that goes.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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To be clear, the two magazine springs I’ve broken on my M70 375 have happened when I attempted to load a fourth round in the well inadvertently. While that was my mistake, I’ve often ‘mashed’ magazines on other rifles in various magazine lengths without suffering the same problem. Is my experience a fluke? Perhaps. But Murphy loves flukes. I try to sneak away without informing Murphy, but we all know how that goes. That truly sucks. Must have thought yours was a pre 64. Mine holds 4 in the mag box... ... The way it should be..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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YUP, Kens da bunny killa waitin' on Elk season. That's damn good practice. Anyone who has shot those zig zagging bastids on a full run with a big game rifle knows what I'm talking about.. . And yes, I've been on a full run after the bastids too... Just incase that sentence is written wrong or misinterpreted..... Affirmative, I even know an old guy down in Texas that shoots crows and coyotes at 400 yards with a Sharps rifle. Practicing on anything with your big bores makes the moment of truth exceedingly easy.
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Almost all my deer and much of my elk shooting is off hand so I shoot paper off hand. The targets show my limitations best. I'll probably shoot 50 to a hundred rounds off hand before a hunt. Yes I do shoot off bags to ensure correct sighting in. My 375 is easy on my shoulder. When I'm hunting I'm comfortable with my limitations.
I don't enjoy small animal shooting unless it's coyotes with my 270😝
Of course I did shoot at a wolf in my yard when he was facing off against my pointer. And if I see a raccoon or skunk during the day, they will eat lead from a new orfice I try to arrange for them.
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YUP, Kens da bunny killa waitin' on Elk season. That's damn good practice. Anyone who has shot those zig zagging bastids on a full run with a big game rifle knows what I'm talking about.. . And yes, I've been on a full run after the bastids too... Just incase that sentence is written wrong or misinterpreted..... Affirmative, I even know an old guy down in Texas that shoots crows and coyotes at 400 yards with a Sharps rifle. Practicing on anything with your big bores makes the moment of truth exceedingly easy. Yup. Just wonder though,will a 270 gr SAF work well on a jackrabbit?
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Gunner, that sounds mo better than shooting rocks and 'dillers in OK.
But from the looks of the landscape, doubt his ground would carry cows like your OK dirt will. Maybe no jackrabbits isn't a bad trade off.
Hard to not see stuff like a cattleman...
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YUP, Kens da bunny killa waitin' on Elk season. That's damn good practice. Anyone who has shot those zig zagging bastids on a full run with a big game rifle knows what I'm talking about.. . And yes, I've been on a full run after the bastids too... Just incase that sentence is written wrong or misinterpreted..... Affirmative, I even know an old guy down in Texas that shoots crows and coyotes at 400 yards with a Sharps rifle. Practicing on anything with your big bores makes the moment of truth exceedingly easy. Yup. Just wonder though,will a 270 gr SAF work well on a jackrabbit? You'll need to use trail boss powder and keep those velocities around 2150 fps, can't have that SAF pancaking on ya.
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Gunner, that sounds mo better than shooting rocks and 'dillers in OK.
But from the looks of the landscape, doubt his ground would carry cows like your OK dirt will. Maybe no jackrabbits isn't a bad trade off.
Hard to not see stuff like a cattleman...
DF Yes, I've heard rock and diller shrap landing all about before, and 10-roger on the jacks, but Elk has crops too. And yes, regardless of where you go, cattle do stay in yo blood.
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Juss tryn ta hep a brutha out. ;]
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I saw a moss berg patriot in 375 for 450 bucks today
I know I know it's a mossberg....but I've been around more than a few of the maps and they are damned accurate guns.
A friend has one of the maps with the alum. Chassis stock. It's so damned boring shooting the center of the target with that rifle we shoot the tacks holding the target
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Need to take it to Canada and kill a black bear or moose with it.
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I saw a moss berg patriot in 375 for 450 bucks today
I know I know it's a mossberg....but I've been around more than a few of the maps and they are damned accurate guns.
A friend has one of the maps with the alum. Chassis stock. It's so damned boring shooting the center of the target with that rifle we shoot the tacks holding the target As long as it functions reliably and you can put great trust in it, I'd say get it. Nice having a rifle that shoots that well. However, Most 375's I've seen have shot very well.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I've got a Browning X Bolt in 375 H&H coming at a bargain price. Haven't had a Browning since I sold the Belgium Safari back in the 80's. That is a secure looking base setup. Rifle is 6# 13oz. out of the box. We'll see how it all works out.
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BW, that's awfully light. Good luck with that one buddy...
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BW, that's awfully light. Good luck with that one buddy... Yes, we'll see. But the Model 70 8 1/2# Alaskan and the 9# African are unnecessarily heavy - more suited for a 416 Rigby. With Talley QD's and a VXR I should be either side of 8#'s.
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BW, that's awfully light. Good luck with that one buddy... Yes, we'll see. But the Model 70 8 1/2# Alaskan and the 9# African are unnecessarily heavy - more suited for a 416 Rigby. With Talley QD's and a VXR I should be either side of 8#'s. What did you ever do with your Talkeetna?? Seems like that would have been a very nice rifle.
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You have a good memory. It was a very nice setup but someone else didn't want to endure the wait at the time to get one. So I sold it. That rifle comes in at 7# 12oz. -so it is a pound heavier that the Browning. I'll see how it works out.
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I saw a moss berg patriot in 375 for 450 bucks today
I know I know it's a mossberg....but I've been around more than a few of the maps and they are damned accurate guns.
A friend has one of the maps with the alum. Chassis stock. It's so damned boring shooting the center of the target with that rifle we shoot the tacks holding the target As long as it functions reliably and you can put great trust in it, I'd say get it. Nice having a rifle that shoots that well. However, Most 375's I've seen have shot very well. My point is that everyone assumes moss berg is junk just cause it says mossberg
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I saw a moss berg patriot in 375 for 450 bucks today
I know I know it's a mossberg....but I've been around more than a few of the maps and they are damned accurate guns.
A friend has one of the maps with the alum. Chassis stock. It's so damned boring shooting the center of the target with that rifle we shoot the tacks holding the target As long as it functions reliably and you can put great trust in it, I'd say get it. Nice having a rifle that shoots that well. However, Most 375's I've seen have shot very well. My point is that everyone assumes moss berg is junk just cause it says mossberg Back in the day Mossberg put out some damn fine guns. I recently shot an old 22lr target rifle with iron sights that puts bullet after bullet in the same hole at 50 yards. It competes head to head with good old rifles like the Winchester model 52. I also have an old Mossberg 640KD chuckster that makes any new 22 WMR look silly in the accuracy department. 10 shot group with Federal 50gr. JHP..."coyote load"...
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I am the one who bought the Talkeetna from bigwhoop. I got lucky.
It has turned out to be one of my favorites. Very accurate. Perceived recoil is similar to my .338 M70 in a McMillan.
I do not recall a rifle that was easier to work up loads for.
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I am the one who bought the Talkeetna from bigwhoop. I got lucky.
It has turned out to be one of my favorites. Very accurate. Perceived recoil is similar to my .338 M70 in a McMillan.
I do not recall a rifle that was easier to work up loads for.
Gary Have always thought about both Kimbers in 375, if I ever had reason to get rid of my M-70's, I'd look hard at the Kimbers, good to hear it was easy to make shoot good, although, I've found that to be the case with several 375's.
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gunner, like you I've found the .375 H&H to be an easy round to load for. It seems to be forgiving and not finicky.
It's a really good round, has stood the test of time and will be rocking and rolling for years to come.
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gunner, like you I've found the .375 H&H to be an easy round to load for. It seems to be forgiving and not finicky.
It's a really good round, has stood the test of time and will be rocking and rolling for years to come.
DF Agreed DF, wish we'd last as long.
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I got my .375 back from Karl today. As one would expect, beautiful work. He said the biggest problem was the setup to miss the sights and save the factory lettering. He had to use 5 instead of 6 flutes. He cut away almost 6 oz, not quite the 7-8 oz. expected with six flutes, not dodging irons. Anyway, it looks nice. Cutting the barrel back saved some weight; it's now 7 #'s, 12 oz, balances at the front action screw. I like the big Victory 1.5-6, but it's 20 oz in Warne QD's. I just mounted a 10 oz 1.5-5 Leupold in Warne QD's and it's definitely handier. I may set it up for both scopes. I also have a vintage M8 3X I sent back for cleaning and #4 German. It's a candidate. DF .
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Looks great DF... Sounds like it's a lot lighter now too..
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Looks great DF... Sounds like it's a lot lighter now too.. Yeah, MUCH... Those NH .375's are way over weight. This one is now about right, IMO. Will start working on loads, checking out different scopes. DF
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DF - That turned out great!
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Dirtfarmer- I like it. What's the new length? I'm thinking 21" - 22" for my .375 in the Echols legend stock.
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Length is the same. All Karl did was the flutes.
IIRC, 21".
Like Hillary, I have trouble remembering...👀
Will confirm tonite when I get home.
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Edited to say I think it's 21", not 20.5" as originally posted. Will confirm.
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I like it DF, wouldn't mind putting one together like that my self.
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It is about the least expensive way to get into a high quality DG rifle, IMO. I got this gun used from the Classifieds, did some of the work myself. I have a question for those who have Win M-70 mag actions. This one has a rail cut out on the left side. I don't know if this is factory or by someone along the way, as it had some smith work done before I got it. I ask, because this action will cycle EMPTY .375 H&H cases without a bleep as fast as I can work the action. That's perfect, center of the chamber feed, every time. Was wondering if this configuration was part of a tune up job or OEM. DF
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my .375 doesn't have that cut...
nor does my Laredo.
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Neither of mine, a 375 H&H and a 416 Rem, have that cut and both will feed/extract empties as fast as I can move the bolt. I did install Williams extractors on both.
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Nice light weight banger there DF, my NH 375 doesn't have the cutout either.
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Wish I knew what that cut is all about. Someone went to some trouble to mill that.
BTW, measured the barrel. It's 21".
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DF: I doubt the cut out is OEM, never seen it. probably just another M70 Trick Move.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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DF: I doubt the cut out is OEM, never seen it. probably just another M70 Trick Move. It's a curiosity for sure. Redneck said that should never be done. But, someone must have thought it was the thing to do, seems well executed with a milling machine. Ed's report of his M-70's feeding empty cases full speed without a glitch makes one wonder if this cut out adds anything. Oh well, as long as it works... Here on the Fire, we have "stunt shooters" and "trick moves"... Something for everybody... DF
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DF if we could look at a bunch of Classics dating back to introduction and until NH stopped making them, we will see a variety of followers made from steel, alloy and even plastic, with a variety of shapes and dished out configurations. Some were really weird. The only conclusion I could ever come to is that someone in New Haven was very confused about how to get the rifles to feed and function acceptably. I know I "fixed" more than one by playing with spring tension and changing the followers. This stuff is childs play for a skilled gun smith but it appeared the factory could never get it straight. If a guy played with enough Classics he knows exactly what I am referring to. Some Classics were great and some were absolute trash.....just one reason I stubbornly cling to the notion that pre 64 metal, as a unit, was always a better rifle. despite dozens of pre 64's I never ran into these feeding issues with them. Among the reasons I always called the Classics a "project in a box".
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Yep, the ole Pre-64 IS the standard by which others are judged... Those factory engineers must think they know everything; they don't seem inclined to ask professional custom gunsmiths how something should work. At least Bill Ruger sought the help of Lenard Brownell for his rifle stock designs. But, Ruger was an exception and exceptional... He wasn't too proud to ask. DF
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Yep, the ole Pre-64 IS the standard by which others are judged... Those factory engineers must think they know everything; they don't seem inclined to ask professional custom gunsmiths how something should work. At least Bill Ruger sought the help of Lenard Brownell for his rifle stock designs. DF Yes he did!
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Bob, A Classic can be tweaked into a pretty nice rifle. A Pre-64 it will never be. The King is still King... DF
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Bob,
A Classic can be tweaked into a pretty nice rifle.
DF Yes it can! Im looking at one right now.
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The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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D'Arcy tweaks them to perfection, for the price of a good used pickup... I'm too cheap, besides I like to DIY as much as possible. Sorta enjoyable, watching a project come together. And pride using a piece tweaked to suit. DF
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Bob, You, DF, BSA and a few others are sure rough on someone like me that's looking for a nice pre-64 375, it's really painful. I'm going to my safe room now to order a companion animal. lmao!
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gunner they are out there!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Just money, gunner.
Just money.
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Bob, You, DF, BSA and a few others are sure rough on someone like me that's looking for a nice pre-64 375, it's really painful. I'm going to my safe room now to order a companion animal. lmao! Forget the 375 and just get a 416 Remington, it'll do anything the 375 will and then some
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Just money, gunner.
Just money.
DF Yup,as my employee says "When you die,you can't spend it!"
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BWAHAHAHA Men, yes, they are out there, just looking for the RIGHT one still, have a lot of ideas though. JWP, I have a 400 Whelen, 400 grs at 2255 fps. And a 416 Taylor, 400 grs at 2415 fps. I really want an old pre-64 375 to go with my 300 H&H's and 22 Hornet.
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BWAHAHAHA Men, yes, they are out there, just looking for the RIGHT one still, have a lot of ideas though. JWP, I have a 400 Whelen, 400 grs at 2255 fps. And a 416 Taylor, 400 grs at 2415 fps. I really want an old pre-64 375 to go with my 300 H&H's and 22 Hornet. Super Grade. DF
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OUCH, now you went and done it, that'd be a 6K boot in the butt for a nice SG I bet.
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Found this one. http://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...r-grd-rifle-375-h-h.cfm?gun_id=100688333Don't think Winchester ever put a 26" barrel on a .375 H&H. Probably a boo-boo on the person who wrote the rifle's description.
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This would be my choice if I was in the market for a .375 H&H. http://www.gunbroker.com/item/587114439
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Whoa, Gunner, that rifle looks very nice. I keep thinking I want a 375, but I think Bob has all of the BBC's All jokes aside, the P64 375 is one heckuva awesome rifle.
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The Whitworth is a good one. Price is right on this gun, has a few "scars" that won't affect it as a shooter.
Nice wood.
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That Whitworth is a fine, serviceable rifle as is. And if someone wanted to put more money into it, it could be turned into a beauty.
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DF,yup that wood is nice.
Woodsy,the only money I would spend on it is for a scope,rings and bases.
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DF,yup that wood is nice.
Woodsy,the only money I would spend on it is for a scope,rings and bases. And you would have a fine rifle! I've really bonded with my Whitworth. They were, and still are, an incredible bargain.
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Yup,that they are.
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Lol , You men poured it on heavy after I sacked out last night, That SG is a nice one Elk, it would need a correct front sight hood, but still a nice price for one. Thanks for the hit Buddy.
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Whoa, Gunner, that rifle looks very nice. I keep thinking I want a 375, but I think Bob has all of the BBC's All jokes aside, the P64 375 is one heckuva awesome rifle. I'm gonna have to have one B, ain't no two ways about it. SG or Standard would be fine with me, thinking real hard about a receiver sight and shooting 300 gr Partitions at everything.
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Whoa, Gunner, that rifle looks very nice. I keep thinking I want a 375, but I think Bob has all of the BBC's All jokes aside, the P64 375 is one heckuva awesome rifle. I'm gonna have to have one B, ain't no two ways about it. SG or Standard would be fine with me, thinking real hard about a receiver sight and shooting 300 gr Partitions at everything. Peep sight... You been hanging with that BP, Sharps crowd too long...👀 DF
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LOL, a receiver peep or factory express barrel sighted pre-64 375 firing 300 gr Partitions at everything inside 200 yards would be a blast DF. Oh, and could you define 'too long' please?
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LOL, a receiver peep or factory express barrel sighted pre-64 375 firing 300 gr Partitions at everything inside 200 yards would be a blast DF. Oh, and could you define 'too long' please? Now, that's the $64 question, for sure... DF
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Whoa, Gunner, that rifle looks very nice. I keep thinking I want a 375, but I think Bob has all of the BBC's All jokes aside, the P64 375 is one heckuva awesome rifle. I'm gonna have to have one B, ain't no two ways about it. SG or Standard would be fine with me, thinking real hard about a receiver sight and shooting 300 gr Partitions at everything. A old Weaver 2.5x would be better.
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Whoa, Gunner, that rifle looks very nice. I keep thinking I want a 375, but I think Bob has all of the BBC's All jokes aside, the P64 375 is one heckuva awesome rifle. I'm gonna have to have one B, ain't no two ways about it. SG or Standard would be fine with me, thinking real hard about a receiver sight and shooting 300 gr Partitions at everything. A old Weaver 2.5x would be better. gunner has those young, hawk like, peep sight compatable eyes. When he gets old, he'll appreciate a good scope. A lot of low powered fixed, 1-4, 1.5-5 variables have been used on those big guns. So, it would seem the consensus can't be that far off. DF
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Have a Leupold 1-4x on my Super Express,a Weaver 3x on the SS,finally a Zeiss 4x on the RUM.
See no reason to go higher than those.
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Whoa, Gunner, that rifle looks very nice. I keep thinking I want a 375, but I think Bob has all of the BBC's All jokes aside, the P64 375 is one heckuva awesome rifle. I'm gonna have to have one B, ain't no two ways about it. SG or Standard would be fine with me, thinking real hard about a receiver sight and shooting 300 gr Partitions at everything. A old Weaver 2.5x would be better. Would that old Weaver buck the load of 300 grs at 2650?
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Dang DF, I'm already fifty-foe.
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Yup. Had a new Weaver 2.5x on a .416 Rigby and it worked fine. Should've kept that scope.
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Another good scope for a .375 is the Leupold 3x.
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Thanks Elk, have heard good things about the 3X Leupold, one of the older gloss models would look just right on an old pre-64 375.
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Had a Leupold 3x on the .375 RUM,before I changed it to the Zeiss. Nice scope that held up to the RUM recoil.
Put the 3x on a pre '64 Featherweight .30/06. Looks saawwweeettt on the rifle.
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Another good scope for a .375 is the Leupold 3x. Very happy with that scope on mine.
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gunner,
I have a vintage M8 3X that I sent back for cleaning and #4 reticle.
It rode for years in a leather scabbard mounted on a Ranch rifle my ranch hands used to blast 'yotes. It shows some wear but is A1 functional.
If you want it, maybe we can trade.
I really like your Super Grade Hornet...👀
Seriously, send a PM, I'll make you a deal you can't refuse.
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Elk, bet it does, have an older 3.5-10 on my pre-64 standard rifle current build project.
WoodsyAl, That's good to know, Thanks.
DF, Pm sent, Thanks Buddy.
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Yup. Had a new Weaver 2.5x on a .416 Rigby and it worked fine. Should've kept that scope. I have 'new' Weaver 2.5Xs on Ruger #1s in 45-70 and 9.3x74r, (and those light rifles can move!) A third is on a M77 375/350 Rem Mag which isn't quite as violent, but doesn't have the best of manners either. They've been good scopes.
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Yup,too bad Weaver quit making them.
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M8 3X Leupold boxed up, headed to OK...
Of course, we expect photos...
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M8 3X Leupold boxed up, headed to OK...
Of course, we expect photos...
DF Mailbox loaded on this end Brudda Dirt.
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Pony Express, your place, Friday.
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Thanks Main, now to buy a barreled action and find a damn stock.
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You starting from the top down... DF
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Kinda, have done covert research for months on the bottom two pieces.
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