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Here's a great brain teaser for you all when you look at terminal ballistics on three very fine bullet choices for big game... which would you pick after reading the ballistics? bullet 1: 168 grain TTSXmv: 2800fps; 500 yards energy: 1343ft/pds at 1898fps with sd of .253 bullet 2: 180 grain Nosler partition spitzermv: 2730fps; 500 yards energy: 1345ft/pds at 1834fps with sd of .271 bullet 3: 200 grain Nosler partition semi-spitzermv: 2625fps; 500 yards energy: 1380ft/pds at 1763fps with sd of .301 hmmmm....... All good bullets, but the sectional densities are all growing with the additional bullet weight, and they all carry considerable energy to a 500 yard target. So, if you could work up a "good load" (reasonable accuracy) with the three bullets above, which one do you think is really going to do more damage, generally, looking at the fps/energy/sd differences on the three??? How's this for a good brain teaser? 
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My choice, 3, 2, 1. I like heavy for caliber bullets. Noslers have worked well for me on several moose and caribou.
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My choice, 3, 2, 1. I like heavy for caliber bullets. Noslers have worked well for me on several moose and caribou. Couldn't argue with you on your selection!
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Like everything else in life, there are trade-offs.
Nosler doesn't list a 200g Semi-Spitzer but they do list a 200g Spitzer, so I used it for calculations.
Using 7500ft altitude and zeroed for MPBR (Maximum point Blank Range) for a 6" diameter target:
500 yards
Bullet, Zero/MPBR, Drop, Velocity/Energy
168g TTSX = 242/286, 036.3", 2109fps/1660fpe
180g Partition = 236/278, -38.4", 2055fps/1688fpe
200g Partition = 227/268. -43.6", 1975fps/1731fpe
I don't see any bad choices there but I would lean towards the TTSX, and in fact have used that in my .30-06s.
With the advent of the175g Barnes LRX BT, though, I might lean toward it. Assuming a MV of 2750fps:
500 Yards
175g LRX BT = 239/282, -38.8", 2114fps/1737fpe
This would give you a tad more energy than the 200g, a tad more velocity than the 168g and a trajectory only 2" different than the 168g.
I've never recovered a Barnes X, MRX or TTSX. One 180g MRX traveled lengthwise through mule deer and exited at about 350-400 yards and another at 400 yards put a cow elk down very quickly after passing through on a broadside. I would expect the LRX BT to perform the same.
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No bad option there, and being realistic, not much of a tradeoff. I've used other TTSXs and the 30 cal 180 Partition and been very impressed. I would go 180 Partition with the -06. Just because its a great blend of ballistics and terminal performance. I've always wanted to build an -06 just for that bullet.
As an aside, comparing SDs of a mono and the Partition is not very useful. The monos retain SD as they penetrate whereas the cup and core style bullets lose SD dramatically as they shed weight.
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Like everything else in life, there are trade-offs.
Nosler doesn't list a 200g Semi-Spitzer but they do list a 200g Spitzer, so I used it for calculations.
Using 7500ft altitude and zeroed for MPBR (Maximum point Blank Range) for a 6" diameter target:
500 yards
Bullet, Zero/MPBR, Drop, Velocity/Energy
168g TTSX = 242/286, 036.3", 2109fps/1660fpe
180g Partition = 236/278, -38.4", 2055fps/1688fpe
200g Partition = 227/268. -43.6", 1975fps/1731fpe
I don't see any bad choices there but I would lean towards the TTSX, and in fact have used that in my .30-06s.
With the advent of the175g Barnes LRX BT, though, I might lean toward it. Assuming a MV of 2750fps:
500 Yards
175g LRX BT = 239/282, -38.8", 2114fps/1737fpe
This would give you a tad more energy than the 200g, a tad more velocity than the 168g and a trajectory only 2" different than the 168g.
I've never recovered a Barnes X, MRX or TTSX. One 180g MRX traveled lengthwise through mule deer and exited at about 350-400 yards and another at 400 yards put a cow elk down very quickly after passing through on a broadside. I would expect the LRX BT to perform the same.
Barnes is my choice as well. I have similar experiences with it. Example- shot a cow elk broadside at 300 yd, bullet entered the right shoulder and exited the left shoulder shattering it. Until a few years ago never recovered a bullet. But, did recover 2 from a bull (what are those odds). Much to my surprise, one was laying on the ground next to the elk. Both were picture perfect mushrooms.
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I don't go in for alot of statistical gak, but I did kill a bull elk and a cow moose with the .06 this year and 180 gr Partitions that I got from Shooters Pro Shop for $13/50.
The elk was laserd at 369 yards.The moose was about 80.
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Here's a great brain teaser for you all when you look at terminal ballistics on three very fine bullet choices for big game... which would you pick after reading the ballistics? bullet 1: 168 grain TTSXmv: 2800fps; 500 yards energy: 1343ft/pds at 1898fps with sd of .253 bullet 2: 180 grain Nosler partition spitzermv: 2730fps; 500 yards energy: 1345ft/pds at 1834fps with sd of .271 bullet 3: 200 grain Nosler partition semi-spitzermv: 2625fps; 500 yards energy: 1380ft/pds at 1763fps with sd of .301 hmmmm....... All good bullets, but the sectional densities are all growing with the additional bullet weight, and they all carry considerable energy to a 500 yard target. So, if you could work up a "good load" (reasonable accuracy) with the three bullets above, which one do you think is really going to do more damage, generally, looking at the fps/energy/sd differences on the three??? How's this for a good brain teaser? Whichever shot the best in your rifle. 200gn Semi Spitzer Partions are obsolete but the extant spitzer is never a bad selection. The fact is you would have to kill an aweful lot of animals to find any difference in the averaged results, my guess would be no difference on game for similar placement and game awareness.
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30-06 and 180 grain Nosler Partitions with Spitzer points, hand-loaded to perform like a .300 magnum (61 grains RL22 – 2,870 fps).
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180 Partitions are almost impossible to beat. No mistake in choosing that bullet.
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Crab, I loaded ammo for a friends '06 BAR for his Shiras cow hunt this year. Used medium load, old gold 200gr part. SS, I-4350, CCI 250 mag and new RP brass. He shot her through the ribs, one from each side and both bullets recovered. The recovered weight (171 gr.) expanded dia. (.605") and expanded length (.761") were well within 1% of each other. Both were under the skin on the opposite side of the entry and each broke a rib. She was at approx. 80 yards when shot, use any partition. Muddy
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Crab, I loaded ammo for a friends '06 BAR for his Shiras cow hunt this year. Used medium load, old gold 200gr part. SS, I-4350, CCI 250 mag and new RP brass. He shot her through the ribs, one from each side and both bullets recovered. The recovered weight (171 gr.) expanded dia. (.605") and expanded length (.761") were well within 1% of each other. Both were under the skin on the opposite side of the entry and each broke a rib. She was at approx. 80 yards when shot, use any partition. Muddy Good combination of retained weight and expansion. Thanks for the recommendation.
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180 Partitions are almost impossible to beat. No mistake in choosing that bullet.
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Just dont' use them in a 300 mag.... they are not worth a flip there. Go up to 200s in that case. FWIW
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Like everything else in life, there are trade-offs.
Nosler doesn't list a 200g Semi-Spitzer but they do list a 200g Spitzer, so I used it for calculations.
Using 7500ft altitude and zeroed for MPBR (Maximum point Blank Range) for a 6" diameter target:
500 yards
Bullet, Zero/MPBR, Drop, Velocity/Energy
168g TTSX = 242/286, 036.3", 2109fps/1660fpe
180g Partition = 236/278, -38.4", 2055fps/1688fpe
200g Partition = 227/268. -43.6", 1975fps/1731fpe
I don't see any bad choices there but I would lean towards the TTSX, and in fact have used that in my .30-06s.
With the advent of the175g Barnes LRX BT, though, I might lean toward it. Assuming a MV of 2750fps:
500 Yards
175g LRX BT = 239/282, -38.8", 2114fps/1737fpe
This would give you a tad more energy than the 200g, a tad more velocity than the 168g and a trajectory only 2" different than the 168g.
I've never recovered a Barnes X, MRX or TTSX. One 180g MRX traveled lengthwise through mule deer and exited at about 350-400 yards and another at 400 yards put a cow elk down very quickly after passing through on a broadside. I would expect the LRX BT to perform the same.
Hey, seems another hands down Barnes fan. I have yet to see any issues with them... I"m sold. Run a 210 ttsx in my 338-06. Kills moose just fine, though it did catch the hide after breaking the neck and shoulder at a bit over 100 yards. But I consider for such a light round, that to be good performance. And retained weight I"ll let you guess on.. lets just say the blue tip must not weigh much... LOL
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Old Crab,
I've used all three bullets on elk and other big game, and agree with those who say all will work. But have taken more elk with the 200-grain Partition than any other bullet, including the old semi-spitzer, which was what Nosler was still making when I first started elk hunting in the 1970's. I have yet to recover a 200 Partition of either sort from an elk, whether they were shot from a .30-06 or some sort of .300 magnum, but have recovered 168 TSX's and 180 Partitions from various animals, including some much smaller than a mature bull elk.
Obviously all the animals were dead, but if complete penetration is the goal (personally I'm not all that sure it's essential) the 200 Partition sure seems to do the job.
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Sorry, but I am 1;2;3. I have shot a bunch of animals with the 30-06 and Hornady 165 grain bullets. They never let me down. Actually I don't shoot anything but 165 grain Hornady bullets. Moose aren't that hard to kill, and there isn't one animal I shot with the 30-06 that a heavier bullet or partition would have made them any deader...
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3,2,1....no contest for reasons MD stated.
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Hey, seems another hands down Barnes fan.
I have yet to see any issues with them... I"m sold.
Run a 210 ttsx in my 338-06. Kills moose just fine, though it did catch the hide after breaking the neck and shoulder at a bit over 100 yards. But I consider for such a light round, that to be good performance. And retained weight I"ll let you guess on.. lets just say the blue tip must not weigh much... LOL
Definitely a Barnes fan but I do use a variety of bullets in various weights and diameters including Nosler Accubond and BT, Barnes TTSX and what few MRX I have left, North Fork SS and FP and Swift Scirocco II and A-Frame. The BT only see use in hunting loads in my Blackout (125g @ ~1900fps) and Ruger Scout with its 16.1" barrel (150g @ 2699fps) and neither has taken any game yet.
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3, 2, 1 would be my choice but honestly there isn't a bad bullet in your selections. I'd choose the one my rifle likes and go with it. I gave up looking at foot pounds thirty years ago. Pick a good bullet, load it to a reasonable velocity for the cartridge coupled with reasonable accuracy and go kill stuff.
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