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I have been pretty much following this whole thread, and would freely state there are some bad apples in law enforcement. Like a guy that took certification same time i did and ended up with a career with the highway patrol. Until the guy was found with all that child porn on his computer.
Having said that, almost all police are pretty decent people, but there is a fraternity of sorts. Has to be. After running into all the crud in the universe on a daily basis you get kind of jerky about the average person until you know different. My time was a long time ago. But i remember various members of other departments that got arrested for dui as courtesy only went so far.
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Right? I've had harsher first date conversations. Of course the above should get Curdog and gang all saddled up to get some frontier justice.
32 days and counting, still lots of talk, but no action from the lynch mob.
Surprising, NO.
Can't see how that exchange could possibly surprise you. The cop's conversation lacked respect, perspective, and wisdom. Just like you do.  Good God it's true, when you gals hang around together you all start bleeding at the same time.
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I'm betting if grandpa had ju st sat in his car, he wouldn't have gotten arrested. But when you get told "go sit in your car or you're gonna be arrested", and your response is ok, arrest me then...well you've signed up for the handcuffs, and if you continue to fight while he is trying you cuff you, your probably gonna get tossed around a bit.. regardless of age.
If you read the documentation, this guy had just come out of the hospital for heart surgery, still had the staples in his chest. Chances are he wasn't running a marathon that day or the next day. Serious question. WHY do you think the logical end to a cantankerous feeble old man refusing to get into his car is to arrest him? As an observation, though, we know ONE THING that officer Wood learned that day: don't turn your dash cam on, it'll bite you int the arse......
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You're absolutely right, addressing someone's as sir and asking him numerous times to go sit in his car, without compliance, then telling him to sit in the car while still a dressing him as sir, and continuing to use a calm conversational level voice while still continuing to address him as sir after the guy tells him "ok, arrest me", is highly unrespectful, and just downright derogatory
So as long as you call someone "Sir", you can escalate to your heart's content? Kinda like calling someone an [bleep] followed by "bless his heart"? Bless your badge heavy little heart...... Yeah, that whole "sir" routine isn't really very effective. It has an impersonal tenor to it. I have never seen it have any appreciable deescalating effect.
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Yeah, that whole "sir" routine isn't really very effective. It has an impersonal tenor to it. I have never seen it have any appreciable deescalating effect. Seriously?
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Should've called him homie or hey you, I suppose.
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Sources that say he was hospitalized? Seriously..He was hospitalized in McCall after the injury and later in Boise Idaho for injuries suffered in the incident.
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Should've called him homie or hey you, I suppose. Handjob
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I had a Liquor Enforcement cop get all butt hurt when I refered to him by his name. He actually insisted on being referred to as Officer so and so. It didn't work. I got ticketed for an infraction that day  It was well worth it. If he shot me...it would of been less so.
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Sources that say he was hospitalized? Seriously..He was hospitalized in McCall after the injury and later in Boise Idaho for injuries suffered in the incident. It sounds like he struggled instead of complying with the deputy's request to go sit in the car. On the tape I can't detect an escalation by the deputy. It was an old guy being an old guy, as far as I hear it, and I'm an old guy.
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Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Sources that say he was hospitalized? Seriously..He was hospitalized in McCall after the injury and later in Boise Idaho for injuries suffered in the incident. It sounds like he struggled instead of complying with the deputy's request to go sit in the car. On the tape I can't detect an escalation by the deputy. It was an old guy being an old guy, as far as I hear it, and I'm an old guy. Nah, the cop just kept repeating himself expecting a different result. Brilliantly effective wasn't it? He showed that 80 year old to the tune of a monetary loss for the taxpayers and to the tune of losing his job as a result. Certainly the kind of results oriented person I'd want in my employ.
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I had a Liquor Enforcement cop get all butt hurt when I refered to him by his name. He actually insisted on being referred to as Officer so and so. It didn't work. I got ticketed for an infraction that day It was well worth it. If he shot me...it would of been less so. You are lucky you didn't get shot for your disobedience.
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Sources that say he was hospitalized? Seriously..He was hospitalized in McCall after the injury and later in Boise Idaho for injuries suffered in the incident. I got that wrong..To much info.. Whaley wore two hearing aids, suffered from severe arthritis and had undergone two heart surgeries. His chest had been stapled closed, and his doctor told him to be careful in his activities. He was driving a car with an Idaho license plate for people with disabilities.
Whaley was taken to McCall Memorial Hospital, where he was treated for abrasions. When he was released later that day, Wood took him to the Valley County Jail, where Whaley was charged with resisting and obstructing officers.
Whaley posted a bond and left the jail. The next day, his daughter took him to a Lewiston hospital for further treatment of injuries on his hands and four bruised ribs. Whaley returned to the McCall hospital July 25 and July 28 to be treated for breathing difficulties, high blood pressure, staph infection and pneumonia.
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I'm betting if grandpa had ju st sat in his car, he wouldn't have gotten arrested. But when you get told "go sit in your car or you're gonna be arrested", and your response is ok, arrest me then...well you've signed up for the handcuffs, and if you continue to fight while he is trying you cuff you, your probably gonna get tossed around a bit.. regardless of age.
If you read the documentation, this guy had just come out of the hospital for heart surgery, still had the staples in his chest. Chances are he wasn't running a marathon that day or the next day. Serious question. WHY do you think the logical end to a cantankerous feeble old man refusing to get into his car is to arrest him? As an observation, though, we know ONE THING that officer Wood learned that day: don't turn your dash cam on, it'll bite you int the arse...... My suspicion is that he never really thought he was going to have to arrest him, but once the bluff is called by "ok arrest me then"..he had to follow through. Now a question for you. Where is the logic in a cantankerous feeble old man who has staples still in his chest, d3cising that it was a good idea to push the cop to actually arrest him.
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The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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I don't think th e dash cam would have hurt him had it gone to trial.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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In Idaho a car or truck hitting cattle or deer in the road happens every week.
But anyone getting shot by a cops over this is a first! The Idaho State Police and the federal attorney are investigating how this lethal clusterf*ck happened.
We're all wondering how this went down so bad.
I expect the Sheriff will be out of Office next election.
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Sources that say he was hospitalized? Seriously..He was hospitalized in McCall after the injury and later in Boise Idaho for injuries suffered in the incident. I got that wrong..To much info.. Whaley wore two hearing aids, suffered from severe arthritis and had undergone two heart surgeries. His chest had been stapled closed, and his doctor told him to be careful in his activities. He was driving a car with an Idaho license plate for people with disabilities.
Whaley was taken to McCall Memorial Hospital, where he was treated for abrasions. When he was released later that day, Wood took him to the Valley County Jail, where Whaley was charged with resisting and obstructing officers.
So he was treated for abrasions from the incident. And apparently he listens to his physician ad welland he does cops
How was the officer to have any clue about his other health ailments?
Whaley posted a bond and left the jail. The next day, his daughter took him to a Lewiston hospital for further treatment of injuries on his hands and four bruised ribs. Whaley returned to the McCall hospital July 25 and July 28 to be treated for breathing difficulties, high blood pressure, staph infection and pneumonia.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Now a question for you.
Where is the logic in a cantankerous feeble old man who has staples still in his chest, d3cising that it was a good idea to push the cop to actually arrest him. Time for some..What medications does a person take after open heart surgury...
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Not going to comment on what I think because what I say or think will have no bearing on this case.
However I would be curious to know how many folks on here have actually sat on a jury in a criminal case, that lasted three days or more, since this very well could decide the fate of the people involved in this thread?
From my limited experience in such a situation many here would might never make it past the opening round of questioning prospective jurors. This might seem okay but it actually might help the very people that are the most despised in this thread. Getting all twelve people to agree on something while locked in a room generally won't be accomplished by some of the dialog seen here. All it takes is one person to disagree and some of the arguments seen here probably won't help convince that one person to agree with you.
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Now a question for you.
Where is the logic in a cantankerous feeble old man who has staples still in his chest, d3cising that it was a good idea to push the cop to actually arrest him. Time for some..What medications does a person take after open heart surgury... Dunno. I'm not a DR.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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