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These terrorists appeared to have little regard for California's rule of law. Imagine that.... Illegally Modified Rifles Used in San Bernardino Shooting Illegal Under State Law
By ASHBY JONES and DAN FROSCH Updated Dec. 3, 2015 10:51 p.m. ET 73 COMMENTS The rifles used in the San Bernardino mass shooting were illegal under California law because they were modified and violated the state’s ban on assault weapons, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives determined on Thursday.
Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, the suspects in the Wednesday shooting that left 14 people dead and 21 wounded, were armed with four guns. They carried two .223-caliber semiautomatic weapons and two 9mm semiautomatic pistols, according to San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan.
The two semiautomatic rifles were versions of the popular AR-15 model, according to San Bernardino officials. One was made by DPMS Inc., and the other by Smith & Wesson.
While they were originally sold legally, with magazine locking devices commonly known as bullet buttons, the rifles were subsequently altered in different ways to make them more powerful, according to Meredith Davis, a special agent with the ATF.
The Smith & Wesson rifle was changed in an attempt to enable it fire in fully automatic mode, while the DPMS weapon was modified to use a large-capacity magazine, she said.
Those alterations made the weapons unlawful under California’s ban on assault weapons, which bans guns with magazines that can detach for quick reloading.
The state legally allows the sale and ownership of assault weapons that have fixed magazines.
Ms. Davis said authorities were working to determine who purchased the rifles, and whether they were connected to Mr. Farook. Ms. Davis said one handgun was made by Llama and the other was made by Springfield Armory.
The models of the handguns weren't specified. California approves the sale and use of certain handguns. Ms. Davis said the handguns were purchased by Mr. Farook.
The purchases of the two rifles and two handguns carried by the two suspects in the shootings all passed the background checks required by federal law, according to Ms. Davis.
Under federal law, all firearm purchases made through federally licensed dealers are subject to a review with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Such a review checks only limited categories of information, like whether a purchaser has a criminal history or has been involuntarily committed to a mental-health facility. Federal background checks wouldn't turn up other possible red flags, like whether a purchaser has ties to terrorist organizations.
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The LINK doesn't work unless you have paid. So, how were they altered to be illegal?
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The LINK doesn't work unless you have paid. So, how were they altered to be illegal? They apparently were modified to be 'more powerful'. While they were originally sold legally, with magazine locking devices commonly known as bullet buttons, the rifles were subsequently altered in different ways to make them more powerful, according to Meredith Davis, a special agent with the ATF.
The Smith & Wesson rifle was changed in an attempt to enable it fire in fully automatic mode, while the DPMS weapon was modified to use a large-capacity magazine, she said.
"Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson
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Coming from the ATF - say no more.
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Coming from the ATF - say no more. yeah, remember these are the people that say a 30/30 or a 10/22 are assault weapons...
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If you add the following equation to any AR15 you'll get:
collapsible stock+pistol grip+evil black finish=100 more fps for the 223!
MO POWA!!!
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You guys don't seem to understand.
California passed all these common-sense gun safety laws to prevent mass shootings.
It's possibly a communication issue. Maybe no one told the terrorists.
Perhaps billboards are the answer.
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Quite obvious another law needs to be created to make it illegal to do illegal things. I'm sure that will stop them from any future violations.
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I wonder if the magazine release was modified.
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several things liberals hate about shootings like this. 1. exposure that gun control does not control gun use 2. exposure that moderate, every day muslims can, and will go rogue 3. exposure that ISIS inspired terrorism has come to America 4. exposure that vetting of muslims is not practical or possible
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Ms. Davis said authorities were working to determine who purchased the rifles, and whether they were connected to Mr. Farook. The purchases of the two rifles and two handguns carried by the two suspects in the shootings all passed the background checks required by federal law, according to Ms. Davis. This doesn't make sense to me. How can they claim that the sale was legal and passed BG checks, if they don'y know who purchased them, yet?
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Story is that that L E knows who purchased them [original reports said a "friend"] but they are not releasing the information.
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How can they claim that the sale was legal and passed BG checks, if they don'y know who purchased them, yet? Yeah, pretty amazing how tight lipped the investigators were on just about everything except for the fact that the guns were purchased legally. That was announced even before they announced the wife's name.
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"I would note that the calls from liberals for more and more gun controls in the wake of the San Bernardino shootings ignores the fact that California already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country–so their policies and solutions have already been implemented in California. And to the surprise of no one, the laws failed to prevent this horrific attack."
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Why California's Strict Gun Laws Didn't Matter In San Bernardino - Huff Post It was unclear if the rifles were purchased in California under the loophole, or in another state.
San Bernardino police didn't immediately respond to request for comment on whether the attackers possessed the weapons legally in California. ATF declined to provide details about the weapons, referring inquiries to local police.
The ATF on Thursday night said both rifles had been illegally modified, according to Desert Sun reporter Brett Kellman, One had been rigged to hold a 30-round magazine; an attempt was made to convert the other to full automatic fire.
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The Waffeen BATFEces scum are still BATFEces scum.
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