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STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM HARRIS SPORTING LLC GUNBROKER SELLER( bbq05 )AS YOU CAN. THAT GUY RIPPED ME OFF ON A SHOTGUN. Sold me a rusted and pitted gun and told me over the phone that it was brand new in box. He also told me it was an 2006 model and it happened to be a 2001 . He blatently lied to me to get it off his shelf . When I called him up he told me to take it up with the manufacturer's warranty, that he would not suffer for their gun. so I call my credit card company to file a dispute but they want me to ship it back to him when I know he'll refuse it so it ends up as a big mess with me taking a piece of sh*t after he lied to me to sell it to me. BEWARE!!!! DO NOT BUY FROM HIM. I also did this deal outside of Gunbroker so there is no way to leave feedback. He's the lowest of low scumbag I've ever dealt with. Fellow gun buyer please take heed.

glad to know!!!! i was going to buy a browning citori white lighting 16 ga from them.... they also said it was 2006 model
but i found out browning hasn't made one in awhile....hope you get your money back....

Report both these incidents to Gunbroker! I've had desent luck getting them to block a seller from doing business on their site. Help out your buds now.

RH

FYI: It does not matter that he refuses to accept the gun back. Legally what is important is that you "tendered" the gun to him (i.e. tried to return it.) I would ship it back and demand a credit from my card company. If you don't want to take the shipping hit, I would write him a letter telling him that you will hold it for a reasonable period of time (say 10 days) to allow him to arrange for pick up. Continue to place the charge in dispute and then request the credit. Also, don't overlook filing a complaint against his FFL with the ATF. There is no room in this world for crooks.

I have to say Gunbroker is absolutely terrible when it comes to complaints. I filed a complaint with them on a guy who sold me a $1900. shotgun with a cracked stock. I sent them all of the evidence they needed to see that he was guilty and they wrote me back and said "...we can see where he said the gun had no blemishes but he is getting good feedback now..." so if a guy only screws over some people and not all of them Gunbroker thinks they are all right then. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

"I also did this deal outside of Gunbroker so there is no way to leave feedback."

Then Gunbroker is out of the picture. If you tried to save a few bucks going outside of GB then shame on you. Post a picture of the gun for us to see. It is hard to get upset on this end knowing there are two sides to the story. A picture of a crappy gun will help convince me...

Not trying to flame you or anything but why should he have to convince you, he had a bad deal with the guy. I think he brought it on himself by circumventing GB, but in the end the guy sold him a gun that was not as described...........Blake

encore,

I think if you threaten the seller with legal action, and you have emails to back your story up, threaten them with legal action. It is easy to see where the rifle/shotgun came from so getting a good lawyer to draft the paperwork and take the seller to court would do wonders. First, they would have to travel to your state to attend court, and if you get your lawyer to put off the court date a couple times the first two times they show up for court, they are already in the hold for $800 in flight expense or hotel and meal expense. Then should you win (I am presuming a relatively good lawyer can prove the seller lied via emails or whatever), you also ask to be awarded fees for your attorney. In the end, the seller will be in this deep for more money than the rifle costs alone. So I think they will come to their sense if you get a lawyer on their tails. Heck, I know of some lawyers, when they write a letter to the offenders, this gets them moving to make a deal.

I am only saying this because I hate SOB who lie via the internet and want them to see that some people will put them in their place if they screw around.

Good luck...

mental note, do not screw over Valad........Blake

I think that he was merely trying to let us know what Gunbroker username to be aware of; not that this is a Gunbroker-related issue.

Consumers have to hold sellers accountable, otherwise we will end up with anarachy rather than a predictable, legitimate market. I got in a non-shipment problem earlier this year with an outfit out of TX, and only got satisfaction when the local Deputy showed up on the vendor's door. So document everything and pursue appropriate legal action.

If I were you I would tell the folks over at Gunsamerica also. Harris sells stuff there too---2MG

I might have missed it but where's he located??

FWIW - I almost got ripped off by a guy named Greg Putz (LaPorte, IN) until his local PD contacted him. I had the $$ shortly afterwards. IME - guys like this are often well know as scum in their area and the police are happy to have a chance to bust their nuts..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Good luck.

I realize I am a jerk once in awhile...as many of you know...and I can be moron...as many of you know....but...
I emailed the aforementioned subject of this post about a firearm he has on auction ( HARRIS SPORTING LLC GUNBROKER SELLER( bbq05 )...and his response really pissed me off. I can't hold a candle to this guy...on my best day I can't be such a jerk. I can dig my own holes and jump in and ADMITT IT....this guy acts like he is the 2nd COMING.

On gunbroker I went and read nearly all his post's, focusing on the negative posts in his feed back. Every negative post were from buyers with A and A+ ratings -no slouches in this bunch- and in one case the negative post was from a buyer with 30-50 per cent more [NEARLY 700 A+ POSTS] postive posts than this guy[with only 588 postive posts]. The buyer with 700 posts..I'd bet on or buy from but not the subject mentioned here.

His command of the English language is pathetic! Being one STUCK UP, SELF CENTER'd PRIK is a mild description of this guy. I can be a prik but I only do it out of having a sense of annoying those caught up their anger at me...this guy is a NATURAL...

I went and did a search for my post's to this 'thing' even had my secretaries find a cmptr wizzard and who went back into the deep files or what ever you call the heart of this cmptr, but my defragging has them well...hidden or what ever, and they are not retrieveable.

My intent was to post them here and you be the judge.

Here are his RULES FOR BIDDING and the negative Feedback's point out that the rules are for everyone 'else' but HIM...:::::::::::

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Available at time of listing but subject to prior sale. Please confirm availability BEFORE you bid.

Go to www.BrowningCollectors.com and join today.

We are an established Midwestern dealer. Bid with confidence. Check our feedback. Ask for our references. Your satisfaction is key.

PLEASE DO NOT BID IF YOU WILL NOT FOLLOW "ALL" OF THESE TERMS. Your bid is acceptance of all these terms and a binding contract under Missouri law.

(1) Full factory warranty applies on New firearms. No inspection on Factory New in Box firearms. Insurance covers items damaged in shipment - you must save the damaged shipping box and file a claim with the appropriate shipping company. FOB shipping point.

(2) Buyer must be 18 years old for long guns and 21 years old for handguns plus be legally able to possess a firearm. Current FFL required from dealer in your state of residence to ship - LIGIBLE fax okay. (PLEASE have dealer ID gun, auction # or buyer on form.) We are a Federal Firearm Licensed dealer. You must abide by all local, state, and federal laws. You are responsible to know your local laws before you bid - not us. All guns & their accessories should be examined by gunsmith before use. We are not responsible, nor liable for any damage to people or property. NO SALES TAX if out of state on this end. MO sales must add 7.45% sales tax. You are required to provide owner�s full name, home address and home phone number for our records only. For all ammo, most muzzle loaders and air guns, we require a current government picture ID with your Date of Birth. Some muzzle loaders require an FFL.

(3) Payment is due in our hands or account within 7 calendar days (NO extensions or excuses accepted � holidays are included) of auction close by cash, money order, cashier's/official bank check or card. MAJOR CARDS WELCOMED - NO CASH DISCOUNT FOR CARDS therefore, add 3.25% to Visa/MasterCard, Amex and Discover payment for loss of cash discount. Personal, company, credit-line checks will hold order for 10 business days from actual deposit date only. PayPal not accepted. International cards add 4.95%. If you do not pay within 7 days as agreed with your bid, we post negative feedback for your nonpayment and re-list item. 3.25% Restocking Fee with Visa/MasterCard or Amex/Discover purchase.

(4) US sales only�no export. Shipping, insurance, and handling is $29 to lower 48 states. AK & HI extra. Long guns - UPS Ground. Handguns � USPS Priority. Other shippers extra. Tracking number provided at shipment except with Priority. Signature confirmation is $2 extra. We provide prompt service and attempt to ship within 24 to 48 hours after payment & legal FFL receipt. Quality packing provided. Overnight delivery available - please request with your zip code.

(5) Please�if you cannot afford it, please do not bid. If you will not pay on time, please do not bid. We offer TWO simple layaway plans. You cannot change plans after down payment. Your choice. The good news�no collection calls from us. No need to get our permission to use this option. We ship only after full payment per above and legal FFL is received.

Layaway ONE � 60 days MAX with NO CHARGE. (33/33/33). 1/3 down payment of final total price including shipping/insurance within 7 days per above. Balance due in 60 days from end of auction closing date. Layaway is FINAL with no refunds, exchanges, or inspection. MONTHLY PAYMENTS of remaining 2/3 balance with shipping/insurance are due "in our hand" on auction close date each month until paid-in-full - no excuses accepted. Monthly payment equals 1/3 balance with shipping/insurance. If you miss ANY payment on due date (serious), sale/auction is void for nonpayment on your part. Layaway payments must be received in cash, money order or cashier/certified only. No cards, credit-line, personal or company checks may be used with layaway. If you do not pay as agreed with your bid, we post negative feedback, KEEP DOWN PAYMENT FUNDS received, AND the firearm or item. Basically, it is a 33.3% restocking fee.

Layaway TWO � 90 days MAX with NON-refundable & one-time $30 layaway fee which is due �up-front� with down payment. (25% + $30/25/25/25). Same exact terms as Layaway One only with 1/4 payments. 25% restocking fee if late.

(6) Our auctions are �No B.S. Zones�. Real money talks, the others walk. We will not reveal the reserve price, bottom dollar or tell you how close you are to reserve. Please bid or use �Buy It Now�. We will not end auction early if reserve is meant. Ask before bidding...inquires or SERIOUS offers only please. E-mail or call 314.574.8400 from 8 to 5 Central.

(7) Trades � Very difficult to do at this distance. Only NRA Excellent (95% or better) will be considered. You ship to us first with $30 min. return shipping funds. After inspection, we accept trade or return to you. Expect 80% of Blue Book value max. No custom or left handed firearms. All trades must be and will be to our profit advantage only.

(8) We reserve the right to end auction at ANY time and NOT sell to high bidder unless reserve is met, so bid accordingly - we might sell it locally. We reserve the right to cancel or re-list the item if the auction site goes down within 24 hours of the close of said item. We are not bound by errant manufacturer information or typos. In the event of error, bidder will be released from the auction. Occasionally we will run out of an item. This happens in less than 1% of all transactions. It is best to e-mail us to confirm availability on current production firearms before you bid. We will not be held responsible for timing issues regarding current inventory or prior sales - subject to prior sale. NOTE: Pictures may or may not be same item for sale.

(9) WANTED: Gun collections � large or small.

Yeah... The owner of Harris Sporting is a real prick. I've had a couple telephone conversations with him and wouldn't even consider ever buying from him.

You need to do as the credit card company told you to do period. Send it USPS Insured with delivery confirmation and if he refuses it then document that too.

The credit card company will protect you but you have to play by their rules.

If you dealt with this guy outside of Gunbroker then don't expect Gunbroker to help you... That'd be kinda stupid for them to even consider. You "cheated them out of a profit" by electing to deal with this guy outside of their protective umbrella but you want them to spend valuable resourses to protect you? Think about it.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

One other thing... Notify Harris Sporting via certified, return receipt, mail that you will institute legal action for fraud if they don't immediatly refund your money. Put them on notice that you aren't playing. But once again you have to return or at least attempt to return the gun first.

$bob$

Bid on everything he sells run it up untill you are the winner of all his items then don't pay for them. you will lose your GB privliges but it will be fun.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

+1 what $bob$ said.

Always take the legal route first, then get nasty if needed!

I just sent him an email via one of his auctions. I have looked at several of his deals and almost bought. Glad now I didn't as my morales will not allow me to deal with such people despite them having a good deal or not. If everyone that sees this post would send him and email requesting he settle with his customers disputes perhaps after 1000 or so emails he may or may not "see the light" in dealing via internet honestly. Pretty much boils down to your reputation can make or break you, sometimes the time frame is just a little longer one way or another for different people.

In order to separate the wheat from the chaff he will have to open each email to see whether or not they are complaints or inquiries to his for sale items. Just a suggestion. Don't have to be malicious with emails just state facts. Don't think GB is going to close hundreds of accounts if he complains about improper soliciations!!!! Especially if they find out he is selling off their site also. GB isn't getting it up the hole from encorerb they are getting screwed by Harris the seller for off site sales. So in the end they just may boot his sorry ass.

That won't do a thing. The BATFE is primarily concerned with compliance issues. They won't spend a second of their time getting involved in what is essentially a civil matter.

I registered on this site just so I could post a response to this thread. DO NOT do business with this person, HORRIBLE service. This is how 'bbq05' (Harris Sporting) on Gunbroker treated me yesterday:

I'm waiting to get mod approval to post in the Gunbroker forum...