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Good post srw. That's my findings and even suggest 80-90 grains of powder using Powerbelts and bigger-is-better with the HPs.
One can move down to the 270gr Platinum Powerbelts. That's a very good two-way bullet, penetration and expansion. It's the best in the Powerbelt lineup.

Best time to buy them is at Walmarts.... days or a week after muzzleloader season ends. I just picked up 295gr copper HPs at $13 for a 16pk. I was late in finding the Platinums this year. They were $13 for a 12pk.

I passed on the Powerbelt Aerolites 250gr. Same price and 12pk as the Platinums, but I won't buy a 250gr Powerbelt, especially one so lightweight that uses an advertisement-push of less recoil and says nothing about added performance on the package.

Had the 300 or 338 Aerolite been available, I would have purchased those. Jon at Frontier Muzzleloading had very good success with the the bigger Aerolite. He's the only Aerolite hunting story I've found amongst members of any muzzleloader board.

I don't trust reviews at gun stores like Cabelas, Bass Pro, Midsouth.....etc. I don't trust magazine article-reviews that pay writers for their stories.

Angus, thanks for your last few post there. All I've ever used was 348 grain PBs. With the restrictions we have here on ML's, the whole "faster, flatter" concept never made sense to me especially for elk.

I still have some of these. I called the manufacture and said I had a CVA that sat right at .50 so some of the other projectiles just did go down very easy. They sent me some that went down the pipe pretty easy.

I still use Power Belts for Javelina. I prefer the lighter, faster moving 223grn bullet on the smallish animal. For Elk I would move up to a PB Platinum or the No Excuse.

The no excuse is patterned after the "White muzzleloading conical." It has a mass at 460 grains to once ignited and pushed bt the powder charge its own inate resistance to movement causes it to "shorten" hence self seal. The 460 grain mass als allows excellent bearing surface to the grooves and lands of the rifling. The 460 grain mass also gives the bullet a spear like length to improve ballistic co efficient. This design and mass gives great absorption of energy by the bullet from the powder charge. It also has excellent sectional density to allow penetration and resistance to break up. Pancake or otherwise fail. I believe they are very inexpensive and have a money back guarantee. Some issues with the bullet are as follow: They do seem to have a lower point of impact initially so sights often need adjusted ( where allowed I use a scope) once airborne they behave fairly well due to the ballistic co efficient.. They like a fouled barrel so cleaning and maintanece is way more labor 4 me than hunting a clean barrel. And they pack a wallop of a recoil.

The default diameter No Excuse 460 needs a fiber wad in most cases, to work well with Blackhorn powder, as does every other default conical I tried with Blackhorn, including Powerbelts, in my 1:28 twist inlines.

..... and not those thin revolver fiber wads. If that's all you have, then use two-together.

Does the wad cause issues in ease of reloading? I gave up on black horn as out west 209 s are banned. I am lucky enough using 1 tub of powder a year. Triple 7 4 me cuz water cleans her right up.

a wad with a powerbelt only killed accuracy for me. Never once have I ever needed a wad with bh209 or a powerbelt. The 370gr maxi balls I used to cast for my wolf did great with 80gr bh209.