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Originally Posted by RWE
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WTF are they gonna say about us, we died in a hospital with tubes up our nose?


I hope to go out a little more noteworthy, but I'll settle for not having fugged over people multiple times before dying.


Good point.


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His latest post to his Facebook page, and the replies of the gullible.

https://www.facebook.com/mark.claiborne.524?fref=ts

Mark Claiborne with Byron Claiborne and 6 others.
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Well, maybe I have been waiting for the tears to subside. That was a bad idea if the case. I really don't know what to do here, how to react, I have never been in this place in life before.

A facebook posting cannot do 1/1000th of the job that should be done to tell anyone of how I feel or what I have experienced or how much Byron Claiborne meant to me. My father, my DAD.... or what I am feeling and going through right now.

I have had the distractions the past couple of days of having to travel (yeah, I broke down and embarrased myself on the airplanes) of needing to do vehicle maintenence on my truck to get ready for my trip tomorrow to Seattle for my own surgery, and even watched a good part of a football game today while my truck was being worked on. I took a few family members to a gun show in Roseville on Saturday. That is one of the ways I have somehow learned to cope with pain and discomfort, to bury it at least for a while in distractions or fun. Now, In a few hours I must leave and be focused on getting through my Nephrectomy (original kidneys removed) and that will perhaps occupy my mind enough that it will help me cope with what I am dealing with but that, too, will be short term.

But very short term it is and must be. Because from now on, every day in the future, just as every day in the past I will see and hear my father whenever I look in the mirror. Or laugh, or tell a joke, or sing. But now, the feeling and remembering will be far, far different. I will no longer or ever again be 'a chip off the old block' or 'the nut that didn't fall far from the tree' and to be VERY sure, I am very much my fathers son in oh so many ways. But now I guess that I and my siblings ARE our own blocks or tree's or nuts or whatever. Sobering, this.

Just on Friday evening, the day that my dad was birthed into eternity with Jesus, while at his home and tearfully recalling.... I heard myself laugh and was taken aback ever so jarringly when I realized that I sounded EXACTLY like my father at that very moment. So much so that if he had stepped out from behind a car or whatever it would have seemed so normal. Except, that it wasn't.

So, for a facebook post what can I do or say? Here is what I have come up with so far. And I am possibly writing this for my own healing and benefit as much as for anyone else's benefit but I do hope this brings some joy and peace to whomever reads it.

We have all, ALL of us, fallen short of the Glory of God. Of perfection here on this rock we are stuck to. We all have warts, and failures that we wish were not so. This is as true of me as it is of any man. And me very possibly more so than most. Does it seem to anyone else a little odd that sometimes those who capture the highest highs of life and even ministry are also often capable and culpable in the lowest of the lows? That the best, can at times or in areas be also the worst? Abraham and Paul and David and a few others come to my mind now and they, this truth, give me comfort and add weight to the idea of grace!

OK, so what do we do with this? The personal failures of we ourselves and the places where people who we love and look up to have failed to meet our lofty expectations? Fallen from some pedestal that at least I should never have been on? I am seriously beating myself up here for even going down this path, maybe I should not. If I hurt or offend someone please forgive me. But just as is the case with David the murdering, lying adulterer and is the case in my life and as is true all of humankind our major league big time failures and screw ups are well chronicled and undeniable. The same is true of my awesome, loving father. I know of some of the pain he went through, but only some. I bear in myself some of his struggles. Whether it is from his DNA or something else I do not care to address at this time. I only know that it is real and is a God sized fight if there ever was one. The only one other than he himself who really knew what my fathers pain and battle was and was like is God himself. And so it is to this truly JUST and all knowing God that I commit my dad and myself to. But I must say here, and now, how very thankful I am that God describe's himself and his BASIC COMPONENT or feature or attribute is LOVE!

To try to put this to some perspective that is helpful, if I dare. As much as I love my children - and this is a TON - no, it cannot even be measured - GOD loves me, and loved my father, EVEN MORE! My children can and could do NOTHING, ever, to not be welcome by me, loved by me, cared for by me, forgiven by me , cherished by me, not anything, not ever. Period, the end. And they can for CERTAIN never do anything that would make their DNA and bloodlines other than their mothers and mine alone! And now to think, as clearly as I ever would care to think, that GOD has chosen to impart to my father and to me others HIS OWN spiritual DNA and bloodline! And that he, somehow, loves US... loves ME, loved and still loves my DAD even more than I love my own children? If this is true, and I know that it is, I have no worries about my dad right now. And GRACE..... Don't get me started.....
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( I am pretty sure there is a book about that one). Hallelujiah! and I mean this to the utmost of my being.

And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come! Until like my dad finally got to see this past Friday the ultimate win. As my father often said. "watch me grow!"

But more than that. MUCH more than that. God did not put all of these men of faith with their warts and sins up there for us to all see just so that we would be discouraged and without hope or a battle cry of our own. No, not at all. They, like Byron Claiborne of my lineage and bloodline and proud heritage gave and give to us all our own wonderful and good things to not just emulate, but to also become even BETTER at or with. Lord Jesus may the GOOD things of our heritage be expanded and expounded upon! My dad was proud that as successful as he was at insurance sales, I was far more so the big time producer. I am proud that as well as I did in my business years, my son is doing all the better! And my Daughters are business owners and successfull in their endeavors as well! What joy this gives me. Byron Jr. (BJ) Amber, my sister Debbie who became an RN as a mother of two young sons still at home in her 30's, we have all seen much success as this world would normally define it. That is a part of our heritage from my dad, and I am thankful for that and duly proud of it as well. No reason (like false modesty or some stupid poor is better mindset) to not be proud. Then there is the singing and performing. Tabitha has really turned that one into an art form as well as any of us have done. All of us can sing, be on stage, give Glory to God with our voices and energy. But THIS is not the most important part of our heritage, not at all.

The heritage, and we all have a slightly different part of that as Byron Claiborne was a man as diverse as he was gifted, is the good and oftimes VERY good things that we saw of him and should now emulate. THIS DIATRIBE, and any that follow including at his memorial service will NOT be my 'memorial' to this most amazing man. LET THE GOOD THINGS OF HIS LIFE, THAT I NOW CARRY WITH ME, BE MY MEMORIAL!

Siblings and children of mine, feel free to ad to these as you experienced them or value them here perhaps (I would so love to see them) but to close this out before my swollen eyes shut completely and I run completely out of tears for the night, I thought that I would list a few things of my dads that I value greatly. Far from a complete list, and AGAIN I would REALLY love to hear from some others of his decendants what they will now value and build even more into their life from Byron Claiborne. But here are a few that I have chosen and now plan and hope to build upon even more:

Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge.

LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money

Making family and time for them and with them THE priority ( I am so glad for all of the time I spent with my dad right now!) Remember the Christmas parties and trips and reunions! We must keep this heritage and fullness of family going and alive.

Southern Gospel Music, of course

Doing whatever it is that is set before me, BIG and then do it again, bigger still!

Change the world around me. Be the game and world changer

Take this amazing gift that God has given us called life, and LIVE it! Not timidly or fearfully or half way. LIVE!

My siblings and I exchanged over the last weekend some of our favorite life sayings of my / our father. I will express many of them, I think, with this one scripture that I think fits dad pretty well and the way he lived his life. Of course it is not the only one, and I am not to say it is the best one. But it strikes me today as hitting the mark pretty well:

"whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with ALL THY MIGHT! As unto the LORD!" (emphasis and punctuation mine and added, of course)

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Solomon T. Avila
Solomon T. Avila What time is your surgery tomorrow in Seattle, I would like to be in prayer during that time; to uplift you my brother.
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Maryann Leslie
Maryann Leslie Thank you for sharing this gut wrenching process Mark Claiborne so transparently...one that anyone would pray they never have to experience. Doing this in "real time" is part of the healthy process of grieving. It will come in waves...I will keep you in my prayers, as we have through your surgeries Mark.
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Mark Claiborne
Mark Claiborne My surgery is on Tuesday morning at 8AM. Thank you my brother. Lets chat by phone tomorrow. And I have not yet told my freind and your Mike about this terrible event.
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Solomon T. Avila
Solomon T. Avila I let Mike read it on Facebook about the post on Facebook you wrote about your father. I will call you tomorrow early afternoon if that's a good time?
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Mark Claiborne
Mark Claiborne perfect
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Susan Lorett-Knowlton
Susan Lorett-Knowlton My heart aches for you in your loss and as Shelby's 16th birthday is on Wednesday I am trying to fight so many tears myself. I reflect back to her memorial service and how you MC'd the event. You spoke about how you admired me for how well I took care ...See More
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Amber Claiborne Engle
Amber Claiborne Engle Thank you Mark for sharing your thoughts. I thought a few times how your mannerisms reminded me of Dad. He loved you very much. I know I keep saying it, and of all people, you know it, but I want you to know I saw his love for you too and it was a very proud and sweet love that he had for his son. I'll be praying for you during your surgery too. You're loved...
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Clinton Waddell
Clinton Waddell I am so glad I had the chance to meet Byron and eat lunch with him at Virginia Mason during the transplant! You ARE very much your father's son... A real renaissance man! You will always have him inside you. As you prepare for your next step in life he...See More
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Lorene Roark
Lorene Roark Beautifully said. I only met your dad a few times, but my husband, Jerry Roark, sang with him back in the 60's. They reconnected a few years ago and sent Jerry a prize possession (a DVD from a recording they filmed at Point Loma). Jerry watched it many...See More
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IMPOSSIBLE to make this stuff up, impossible.


As I drank my first cup of coffee and caught up with this epic thread, I couldn't decide if I was sleeping or really reading this crap. Simply AMAZING.


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I wish someone with time on their hands would reconstruct the timeline of this story by SM in chronological order. At one point he took to Facebook to express his desire to be with his dying father, but had reservations about flying due to the germs because of an upcoming "major" surgery, but then he's down there in CA at a gun show. When did the "murder" happen again? When did he fly down there and back? I'm getting information overload here because the details are coming in bits & pieces and are from all different times.

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Well, I am not sure whether he was saying his Grandfather was a black fella...or that his Grandfather had most of his pizzle up inside him like a horse.

I find you Yankees really strange at times.


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Originally Posted by bhemry
I'm getting information overload here because the details are coming in bits & pieces and are from all different times.


That's SOP.

Saturate the airways with so much information, no one could piece it together.

I think the Jap's did this in WWdeuce, right before they butt humped us at Pearl.

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His dad died at 1209 on Saturday the 19th..at 11pm mark was on an airplane back home




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Originally Posted by sactoller
My great, great uncle was hung because he shot some dude in the back.


His name is Jack McCall....maybe some of you have heard of him.





And yes he really is my great, great, uncle.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_McCall



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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by RWE
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
WTF are they gonna say about us, we died in a hospital with tubes up our nose?


I hope to go out a little more noteworthy, but I'll settle for not having fugged over people multiple times before dying.


Good point.


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Here Lies RWE.

He never took a hunting trip to Africa because he was unwilling to screw over his fellow man to fund his adventures.

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Recently got this PM from Mark:

"What kind of person would continue to keep on about old crap, proving to all, once and for all, that they have no life of their own?

You have obviously formed an opinion of me without knowing me or having any dealings with me, personally. But I DO have, and have documented here in many photo posts, loads of hunting, riflery and shooting experience.

Happy to share my experience with those who wish to hear it. If you don't, that is obviously just fine. Simply put me on ignore and go your own way, or don't read or reply to my stuff.

Just being a part of the conversations here, like I have been doing for 10 years and almost 30,000 posts. I am not going away any time soon.

FWIW, I have no fight with you and do not prefer to have one.

Genuine best wishes,

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My kin back in the Old Country were from among the "Black Irish", no lie.

I have been told the "O'Birdys" got a bad rep over there.


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It is not really cool to share pm's.


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
His dad died at 1209 on Saturday the 19th..at 11pm mark was on an airplane back home




Alibi?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by Miss Lynn
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"Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies..."


A true Christian... crazy


Perhaps this tells of his struggle while looking in the mirror. His greed and will to live out-weigh any trace guilt that's blocked by a psychopathic disorder.

To be, or not to be...........ahh fug it, who am I kidding? Life is all about me!


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Originally Posted by JSTUART


It is not really cool to share pm's.


JS, that depends. If it's part of a pattern of an ongoing scam, I would argue he has an obligation to share.

This helps confirm what many have suspected, that SM continues to work the angles behind the scenes via PM, and that he's reading this thread and not providing any additional clarification for the general audience, while trying to work folks.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Point of interest, my Irish Great-Grandpa was murdered, or so says family lore. Pushed off of a building under construction in Brooklyn by an Italian co-worker, that was the belief among his kin tho' there apparently weren't proof.



A few weeks ago, I got up in the middle of the night to stoke the wood stove...I didn't realize my equilibrium was messed up till the second time I did a nosedive, then I figured it best to finish up on my hands & knees...it stayed screwed up for a few days & I continued to try going about my business as usual... Marks dad likely had a similar event & possibly fell more than once...I do remember putting my hands out in front of me when I fell...I didn't mess them up but could have very easily, which would account for his dads hands being "messed up"...I did knock some schitt over while loading the stove & had I hit my head hard I could have easily ended up in the same condition as his dad...anybody finding me likely would have assumed there had been a struggle...

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Thanks Doc. The part that hurts me most is where he fits the mould so well of the kind of christian (note no "C") that makes up an accurate stereotype that makes non Christins want nothing to do with us. Looking at Mark's actions I cannot blame them.


Yeah.

Kind of a coincidence, but a former pastor of mine died last week. Guy had a tremendous evangelical ministry at one time, and was loved by many. Loved a little too well by some, as it turned out.

Turned out he was fugging a good number of the married women in our church on a regular basis under the guise of "spiritual counseling", in his office. Apparently they were really messed up gals, they needed a LOT of counseling sessions... And just between you and me, these were mostly gals I wouldn't do with Flave's dick.

Anyways, ol' Pastor Rob finally had to give up "the ministry", went into construction, and got into trouble for screwing people over on projects he was contractor for. And so on. And so on.

One of my best friends stayed friends with him right up to the end. Felt he was called to do so. Me, I felt I was called to put a claw hammer in his skull next time I saw him, neither of which ever happened. If he'd have been on fire, etc...

The damage these people do to the Bride of Christ is horrifying. It's not my job to do fix them, but if they cross paths with me or mine, I'll be sure to give them what they are owed.


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
I fugged a midget once


I diddled Wonder Womans Identical twin... wink

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Originally Posted by gophergunner
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre.



Seriously???! That's F'ed up on several levels...

So he was there and took pictures with his cell phone? The LEO's sure as hell didn't provide him with photo's.... Or pics of his old man in the hospital bed?

Either way, still sick and twisted.

Mark is SO full of scheit it's beyond the pale. He needs some serious psychological help.

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Hey this thread was about done anyway.


Oh no, please say it ain't so! I took the week off from work just so I could keep up and wait for SM's reply to all the unanswered questions.


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He needs some serious psychological help.


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