For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
My dad and his brothers plus other singers on vrious albulms they made through the years. Plus more of his story if any of you care to know of it. I am so proud of my heritage here.
sory to hear that prayers sent for the family and all those that will miss him . and prayers for the one who killed him as this may be the turning point in his life, as we know Christ loves us all and died for all our sins.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Your father is now healed, both spiritually and bodily. Thanks to him, a few others are, too. He willingly did more that you can ask of any man.
I know it's hard to find a silver lining at this time, but my father passed when I was 22 years old. He and I didn't always get along because, mostly, I was young and stupid and didn't realize how great of a man he really was. I always regret not having been able to grow up with him and develop that post adolescent relationship that I know we would have shared. Please be grateful for all the time you were able to have him in your life.
Safariman: So sorry to hear of your loss via this tragic and senseless act. Our prayers are sent for you and your family. Stay strong. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
You brought back memories of being with my brother when he died, and watching my dad watch him die. Not easy stuff. But you are right, "It will not be for long, really." So sorry for your loss, but glad you have the right perspective on this.
I know I would be exhausting all to see that a complete criminal investigation was completed and an arrest was made. Then the closure could begin. But that is the former LEO in me, we look at things differently.
SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.
Actually that could be Byron Claiborne II or Byron Claiborne the III. Mark's brother or nephew. It being Sacremento, CA, I would say it is Byron Claiborne II, Mark's brother who has posted on Facebook that his Father has passed away.
Apparently age and ill health will do that you, his niece even agrees on her page.
I believe Byron II is going to be surprised to know that his brother Mark says his Father Byron I was murdered.
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
No, I believe it is indeed his father, as what Steelhead referenced was back in 2002, and the Claiborne in question was 65/67 at that time... meaning that individual would be pushing 80 now. Clearly not the brother, but father.
Byron Claiborne subjected women living at two eight-unit apartment buildings in Oak Park to "severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment," according to the suit filed two years ago by the U.S. Justice Department.
Claiborne, 67, "treated male tenants far differently than female tenants," Hirst added. ... Under the terms of a consent order filed Monday, Claiborne agreed to pay compensatory damages of $92,500 to 12 former female tenants and a $7,500 civil penalty to the federal government.
He further agreed to release all liens for back rent obtained against the women after they moved out, and to implement an anti-harassment policy and complaint procedure for rental property he owns, including units in Sacramento and Auburn. The written policy and procedure will be supplied to all tenants. Neither Claiborne nor his attorney returned calls Monday.
A longtime Roseville insurance agent whose office is now in Citrus Heights, Claiborne was active in Democratic politics in the 1970s and 1980s. He served on the Roseville City Council and twice ran unsuccessfully for the state Assembly and later for a seat on the Placer County Board of Supervisors. He served on the Placer County Human Relations Commission and Roseville's Affordable Housing Task Force.
During his first race for the Assembly in 1974, Claiborne told The Bee he had formerly managed the Claiborne Brothers, a gospel quartet that traveled and performed for 10 years in several countries. He also said he had been a licensed evangelist, a minister with the Evangelical Methodist Church, and choir director for the Nazarene Church of Roseville and Community Covenant Church.
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
So, this isn't true?
No, Byron Claiborne died, he just was not murdered. He got old and sick.
Even Sherry, Marks' wife doesn't know her father in law was murdered, on her Facebook page she just talks about the sadness of him passing and all the fun times they had together.
Unfortunately it will be for some. I don't know Mark all I know is what I've seen on here. I have come to the conclusion that some think an online friend is the same thing as a real friend. It's not! Not that they can't become real friends but that takes time. I have a few real friends. Not because of a personality flaw since I make "friends" quickly but rather, at least for me, real friendship takes time, it takes trial by fire-through good times and bad and it takes trust. I have several friendships from online but my real friends are tried and true. They have survived as friends for decades because they've been through it with me and I them. Girlfriends, jobs, wives, life threatening injuries and deaths in the family-they've been by my side and I theirs. They've seen me at my worst and my best and are just like brothers to me. I'm not exactly sure why some dislike Mark and I don't care but I hope folks take a second before beating up a deadman.
Byron Claiborne was active in Democratic politics in the 1970s and 1980s. He served on the Roseville City Council and twice ran unsuccessfully for the state Assembly and later for a seat on the Placer County Board of Supervisors. He served on the Placer County Human Relations Commission and Roseville's Affordable Housing Task Force.
No, Byron Claiborne died, he just was not murdered. He got old and sick.
Even Sherry, Marks' wife doesn't know her father in law was murdered, on her Facebook page she just talks about the sadness of him passing and all the fun times they had together.
Byron Claiborne was active in Democratic politics in the 1970s and 1980s. He served on the Roseville City Council and twice ran unsuccessfully for the state Assembly and later for a seat on the Placer County Board of Supervisors. He served on the Placer County Human Relations Commission and Roseville's Affordable Housing Task Force.
They've seen me at my worst and my best and are just like brothers to me. I'm not exactly sure why some dislike Mark and I don't care but I hope folks take a second before beating up a deadman.
I'll not beat up deadman.
Any success you've had in life must have been achieved via hard labor.
Actually that could be Byron Claiborne II or Byron Claiborne the III. Mark's brother or nephew. It being Sacremento, CA, I would say it is Byron Claiborne II, Mark's brother who has posted on Facebook that his Father has passed away.
Apparently age and ill health will do that you, his niece even agrees on her page.
I believe Byron II is going to be surprised to know that his brother Mark says his Father Byron I was murdered.
Actually that could be Byron Claiborne II or Byron Claiborne the III. Mark's brother or nephew. It being Sacremento, CA, I would say it is Byron Claiborne II, Mark's brother who has posted on Facebook that his Father has passed away.
Apparently age and ill health will do that you, his niece even agrees on her page.
I believe Byron II is going to be surprised to know that his brother Mark says his Father Byron I was murdered.
How long have you known me?
A long time, and I should have not even doubted that you were correct on exactly who that was cited in those documents.
Unfortunately it will be for some. I don't know Mark all I know is what I've seen on here. I have come to the conclusion that some think an online friend is the same thing as a real friend. It's not! Not that they can't become real friends but that takes time. I have a few real friends. Not because of a personality flaw since I make "friends" quickly but rather, at least for me, real friendship takes time, it takes trial by fire-through good times and bad and it takes trust. I have several friendships from online but my real friends are tried and true. They have survived as friends for decades because they've been through it with me and I them. Girlfriends, jobs, wives, life threatening injuries and deaths in the family-they've been by my side and I theirs. They've seen me at my worst and my best and are just like brothers to me. I'm not exactly sure why some dislike Mark and I don't care but I hope folks take a second before beating up a deadman.
I'll not beat up deadman.
I'm sorry for Mark's loss, but find it typical of him to take a situation and twist it with lies for his advantage. Why would he lie about his Father's death for any reason other than to seek greater sympathy?
Mark has proven himself to be such a liar on this site that anything he posts should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Why would he lie about his Father's death for any reason other than to seek greater sympathy?
Based on Safariman's history it's safe to assume he is/was planning to attempt to con people out of money. I see funds being set up to help pay funeral costs, poor left behind loved ones, etc.
Then I'm sure "Dad" had a fine collection of firearms that will be for sale in the classifieds, etc....
The sickest part about it is that most cons would just move on knowing they've been made. Mark is known around here and yet still tries this sorta thing. I've got no sympathy for the guy, only pity.
This is lower than I thought even Safariman would stoop. Not too bright with the Internet and Google. He had to know someone would at least Google the "murder". Pathetic
As a Born Again Baptisted Christian I too believe your Dad is indeed in Heaven. Earth is temporary, Heaven is forever. I am a retired alcohol/drug councelor. Addiction is a tough thing for most to overcome. Some addicts I am personally aware of (my wife included) do recover and remain clean. This is the hope yout Dad saw. He held to this hope. We all should. Hope is a good thing. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your's.
The sickest part about it is that most cons would just move on knowing they've been made. Mark is known around here and yet still tries this sorta thing. I've got no sympathy for the guy, only pity.
As a Born Again Baptisted Christian I too believe your Dad is indeed in Heaven. Earth is temporary, Heaven is forever. I am a retired alcohol/drug councelor. Addiction is a tough thing for most to overcome. Some addicts I am personally aware of (my wife included) do recover and remain clean. This is the hope yout Dad saw. He held to this hope. We all should. Hope is a good thing. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your's.
Do any of you people just stop drinking or snorting coke in excess, and just move on with your fugking life?
If dad was over 80 you Mark can't collect on the regular insurance. He's probably trying to spin this story in an attempt to collected on dad ADD policy.
If we are lucky, the Feds will come collect him up for attempted insurance fraud, and we'll be done with him.
A father's passing is a seriously traumatic event for a son. Mine has been gone for 30 years but I can recall how it affected me, even though a fairly significant level of animosity existed between myself and my father.
,...but I don't know what to think about how this has been presented.
If dad was over 80 you Mark can't collect on the regular insurance. He's probably trying to spin this story in an attempt to collected on dad ADD policy.
If we are lucky, the Feds will come collect him up for attempted insurance fraud, and we'll be done with him.
Smelled pretty fishy but I couldn't help but notice how much SM thrust himself into the story as the center of attention. Regardless of how the guy died, SM couldn't help but make it about himself. Un-fricken-believable.
Ditto.....hell of a deal when a guy's left such a slimy trail behind that folks are reluctant to send out condolences for a dead father.....hell...99% of posters here will at least throw out an RIP for a dead dog let alone a "murdered" parent....
Sad actually....Merry f u c k i n g Christmas eh....
Crazy old dude keeps doing the same thing over and over again. Give it the old shoulder shrug and move on. Just isn't worth spending any energy on unless you're just here for the pure entertainment value(not without it's merits).
As a Born Again Baptisted Christian I too believe your Dad is indeed in Heaven. Earth is temporary, Heaven is forever. I am a retired alcohol/drug councelor. Addiction is a tough thing for most to overcome. Some addicts I am personally aware of (my wife included) do recover and remain clean. This is the hope yout Dad saw. He held to this hope. We all should. Hope is a good thing. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your's.
Are you daft?
Byron Claiborne was a Christian that preyed on and sexually harassed women tenants.
Byron being devoted to helping alcohol/drug addicts get clean is a falsehood told by Mark.
As a Born Again Baptisted Christian I too believe your Dad is indeed in Heaven. Earth is temporary, Heaven is forever. I am a retired alcohol/drug councelor. Addiction is a tough thing for most to overcome. Some addicts I am personally aware of (my wife included) do recover and remain clean. This is the hope yout Dad saw. He held to this hope. We all should. Hope is a good thing. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your's.
Are you daft?
Byron Claiborne was a Christian that preyed on and sexually harassed women tenants.
Byron being devoted to helping alcohol/drug addicts get clean is a falsehood told by Mark.
Yep.
If there was an afterlife, and any justice in it, he would be headed the other direction....
Byron being devoted to helping alcohol/drug addicts get clean was a story made up by Mark.
I've been to his dads house a few times & while he did have others living in his house, I really don't know if they had "problems"... If he made up this story about his dad, it'll be one of the most bizarre things I've witnessed from anybody I've ever known...
I'm sorry for a guy that looses his Dad but,,, I waited all afternoon to see where this was headed and based on previous experience expected the worst.
Where is Brian Williams when you need some gratuitous embellishment anyway?
As a Born Again Baptisted Christian I too believe your Dad is indeed in Heaven. Earth is temporary, Heaven is forever. I am a retired alcohol/drug councelor. Addiction is a tough thing for most to overcome. Some addicts I am personally aware of (my wife included) do recover and remain clean. This is the hope yout Dad saw. He held to this hope. We all should. Hope is a good thing. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your's.
Do any of you people just stop drinking or snorting coke in excess, and just move on with your fugking life?
Travis
Do you ever stop pointing your finger at people, expressing your ugly heart? Obviously you're addicted to your behavior. At least these folks try to quit and change.
As a Born Again Baptisted Christian I too believe your Dad is indeed in Heaven. Earth is temporary, Heaven is forever. I am a retired alcohol/drug councelor. Addiction is a tough thing for most to overcome. Some addicts I am personally aware of (my wife included) do recover and remain clean. This is the hope yout Dad saw. He held to this hope. We all should. Hope is a good thing. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your's.
Are you daft?
Byron Claiborne was a Christian that preyed on and sexually harassed women tenants.
Byron being devoted to helping alcohol/drug addicts get clean is a falsehood told by Mark.
First,I thought the guy was legit. Second, what he or his dad has done does not deter my love for my Lord nor my belief. Thats his sin, not mine nor other Christians.Sounds to me he may have issues and need treatment.
First,I thought the guy was legit. Second, what he or his dad has done does not deter my love for my Lord nor my belief. Thats his sin, not mine nor other Christians.Sounds to me he may have issues and need treatment.
Interesting outlook on life you have RG, would you be suggesting that a paedophile that spends his life raping little children up the arse is automatically a "nice guy" because he recants his actions ten minutes before his death.
Will that immediately allow said little children to [bleep] straight once the "nice guy" has recanted?
First,I thought the guy was legit. Second, what he or his dad has done does not deter my love for my Lord nor my belief. Thats his sin, not mine nor other Christians.Sounds to me he may have issues and need treatment.
Interesting outlook on life you have RG, would you be suggesting that a paedophile that spends his life raping little children up the arse is automatically a "nice guy" because he recants his actions ten minutes before his death.
Will that immediately allow said little children to [bleep] straight once the "nice guy" has recanted?
I am sorry that you lost your father but you have really got to get a personal life and stop posting every little (or big) thing in your life. Do you relish criticism and pity?
I am sorry that you lost your father but you have really got to get a personal life and stop posting every little (or big) thing in your life. Do you relish criticism and pity?
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
Condolences on your loss. _____
At first I thought, well, maybe the narcissist had his account hacked because this is really bizarre - even for the narcissist. Then I counted 14 "I's" in this paragraph alone and knew it was indeed the narcissist posting.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
Condolences on your loss. _____
At first I thought, well, maybe the narcissist had his account hacked because this is really bizarre - even for the narcissist. Then I counted 14 "I's" in this paragraph alone and knew it was indeed the narcissist posting.
This is lower than I thought even Safariman would stoop. Not too bright with the Internet and Google. He had to know someone would at least Google the "murder". Pathetic
That right there tells me the guy is more than "touched". He's F U C K I N G looney bin uber crazy!!
Interesting outlook on life you have RG, would you be suggesting that a paedophile that spends his life raping little children up the arse is automatically a "nice guy" because he recants his actions ten minutes before his death.
Whether the guy gets forgiven is not up to me. The sins of othet's, your's included, are not mine to bear just because I'm a Christian.
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Will that immediately allow said little children to [bleep] straight once the "nice guy" has recanted? Are you feeling your mortality?
Ask the doctor if these kids got healed prpoerly. As for my mortality... we ALL (including you) will die. I have no issue with my eventual death. Perhaps you're afraid?
Interesting outlook on life you have RG, would you be suggesting that a paedophile that spends his life raping little children up the arse is automatically a "nice guy" because he recants his actions ten minutes before his death.
Whether the guy gets forgiven is not up to me. The sins of othet's, your's included, are not mine to bear just because I'm a Christian.
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Will that immediately allow said little children to [bleep] straight once the "nice guy" has recanted? Are you feeling your mortality?
Ask the doctor if these kids got healed prpoerly. As for my mortality... we ALL (including you) will die. I have no issue with my eventual death. Perhaps you're afraid?
Whats crazy is mark is not banned from this site. Most know he is absolute chit. mark I hope you wrought in hell for being who you are. You are the scum of the earth
Smelled pretty fishy but I couldn't help but notice how much SM thrust himself into the story as the center of attention. Regardless of how the guy died, SM couldn't help but make it about himself. Un-fricken-believable.
Yeah I thought the same thing. In the Intro to "Ride that Glory Train" he says, "That's me on the far right". Really? Who gives a [bleep]. Despicable person.
ObviouslyI was duped into thinking the thtead was legit. Others too. Ì posted as if it were legit. Others too. Now I'm being taken to task for it. Or is it because I consider myself a Christian, and you take offence to it? This whole deal is not my fight. Hate the OP for his thread, not others who got duped.
ObviouslyI was duped into thinking the thtead was legit. Others too. Ì posted as if it were legit. Others too. Now I'm being taken to task for it. Or is it because I consider myself a Christian, and you take offence to it? This whole deal is not my fight. Hate the OP for his thread, not others who got duped.
No you aren't RG, I am on my third cup of coffee and having fun with the bear arse shooter's thread.
Do you ever stop pointing your finger at people, expressing your ugly heart? Obviously you're addicted to your behavior. At least these folks try to quit and change.
Do you ever stop pointing your finger at people, expressing your ugly heart? Obviously you're addicted to your behavior. At least these folks try to quit and change.
Nothing about 'flave is ugly.
Nothing.
'flave
Well not your sense of humour anyway, it is golden.
Mark, please answer my question here on the thread. What were you thinking? Why did you post up this well thought up piece of bullshit? Do you think we are stupid? Are you doing this for some sort of financial advancement?
And lastly, is your wife still in on this scam with you? She hasn't posted in some time now.
ObviouslyI was duped into thinking the thtead was legit. Others too. Ì posted as if it were legit. Others too. Now I'm being taken to task for it. Or is it because I consider myself a Christian, and you take offence to it? This whole deal is not my fight. Hate the OP for his thread, not others who got duped.
You were being taken to task because of the perception you were giving a free pass to a thief and liar because he shared a common religion with you.
Y'all must never say my 270 is gay. Where's my $300, prespent I hope on AAs' tires. I still have doubts about the kidney transplant. Money would been better spent on a brain transplant. No conscience, no morals, no ethics, no truth.
Only the lowest of belly-crawlers would fabricate a story about his father's death. THAT ranks right up there with stealing from the elderly....pathetic
Mark, please answer my question here on the thread. What were you thinking? Why did you post up this well thought up piece of bullshit? Do you think we are stupid? Are you doing this for some sort of financial advancement?
And lastly, is your wife still in on this scam with you? She hasn't posted in some time now.
C'Mon Man, you can do better, cant you?
geo
Not gonna happen. The man obviously has a personality disorder / mental illness. Expecting him to give a rational explanation of his behavior here is a fools errand.
SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.
I saw this earlier today and when I saw the OP my first and only thought was SCAM ! I wonder what the hook was going to be ? Funeral expense scam ? How Safariman hasn't been locked away is amazing. I wonder where else on the Internet Mark runs his scams ?
SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.
Can't believe you never made detective.
Hopefully the apple fell VERY far from the tree. And rolled.
Mark Claiborne to Stateline Community Church December 17 at 9:13am ·
PRAYERS NEEDED! My dad, 79 year old Byron Claiborne, has hit his head HARD on a stonework countertop in his kitchen. There is some indication that there could have been an assault by one of his tennants there at his multi plex ranch style home. Regardless of how this came to be, right now he is on a ventilator/respirator, unconcsious, non responsive, in critical condition and according to my siblings may not have much longer to live, barring a miracle. God is bigger than all of this! And he is THE great physician. Please pray that God would have mercy in this scenario and would reach down and touch my father. Sherri and I are praying from here and awaiting more updates and info as they come in. Thank you, everyone MARK 7 Likes21 Comments1 Share LikeShare 7 people like this. 1 share Comments Kristy Jameson Kristy Jameson Prayers! Like · December 17 at 9:16am Bonnie Skaggs Bonnie Skaggs THIS IS SO BAD AND SAD,GARY AND I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY Like · December 17 at 9:16am Lucinda Harlow Lucinda Harlow Praying Like · December 17 at 9:18am Doug Murphy Doug Murphy Praying Mark, let us know if We can do anything Like · December 17 at 9:22am Valerie Calley Valerie Calley Praying Like · December 17 at 9:24am Christy Podolski Christy Podolski Lord, please be with Byron and give him a miracle. Be with his doctors, give them wisdom. Be with the family members, comfort them and fill each of them with your peace. Touch Mark specifically with extra measures of your peace Lord. It's so hard being...See More Like · 2 · December 17 at 9:29am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you for this, Christy. I truly am torn between staying wise and avoiding the germs of an airplane and wanting to see my dad whie he is alive even though he would not likely know that I am there. Like · December 17 at 10:29am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert I know it's not the same as being there, but maybe you can set up a Skype session on the computer and talk with him face to face that way... I'm sure somebody could get him connected to you with a laptop computer smile emoticon Like · 1 · December 17 at 10:32am View more replies Jamie Nauta Jamie Nauta Praying! Like · December 17 at 9:56am Tienna Martin Tienna Martin Praying Like · December 17 at 10:02am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert Prayers sent smile emoticon Like · December 17 at 10:18am Sharon Olsen Sharon Olsen Praying!! Like · December 17 at 10:25am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you everyone for the prayers and please keep them going. God CAN do a work here, but the Doctors are saying that his extensive bleeding throughout his brain will likely leave him brain dead within the next 24 hours. I am trying to decide if I should risk the germs of an airplane ride, with an important major surgery of my own coming right up on Tuesday. I need God's wisdom, too. Like · December 17 at 10:27am Kristy Jameson Kristy Jameson Praying for Gods wisdom. Like · December 17 at 10:28am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you, truly torn here. Like · December 17 at 10:30am Donna Carlson Donna Carlson Praying for you and your family. Praying and knowing GOD will be with you during your surgery, also with your dad. Like · December 17 at 10:35am Penny Dimino Penny Dimino Praying Like · December 17 at 11:01am Mindy Blevins Neissl Mindy Blevins Neissl So sorry Mark, we are praying for you! Like · December 17 at 3:48pm Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Well, the Doc's are keeping dad on a ventilator until I and my siblings all see him. Then they will take him off of it and he will likely not live much past that, if he is even alive now. Thank you all for your prayers. I am on my way to fly down there. After this trip I head/fly straight to Virginia Mason for my big surgery. Like · December 17 at 5:34pm Mindy Blevins Neissl Mindy Blevins Neissl Safe travels Mark! Like · December 17 at 8:40pm Audrey Joscelyn-Bennett Audrey Joscelyn-Bennett Praying Like · Yesterday at 12:05am Sharon Olsen Sharon Olsen Be safe Mark, prayers go with you!! Like · Yesterday at 12:17am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert Still praying for you and your Dad heart emoticon Like · Yesterday at 7:31am Virginia Triebwasser Virginia Triebwasser Praying for peace and comfort for every one Like · Yesterday at 7:34am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Dad passed away yesterday at 12:09PM. I am on an airplane headed home to try and rest up for my surgery on Tuesday. I appreciate the prayers of all of you! It will be so hard to not have him checking on me at the hospital. I found out today that he had intended to travel up to Seattle this Tuesday to be with me as I go into my most major and invasive surgery ever. This ain't gonna be a good week. Like · 1 hr Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne By the way, the B in my name, my middle name, is for Byron my father and I have included it in my signature with pride since I first learned to sign my name to any paper or document.
I sure the fu.ck ain't on Marks side other than hearing about his father. What I do think is funny however, are how pus.sy hurt you girls are over your cyber friend let-down. Right on cue Bruncle Billy jumps in to be equally as pus.sy hurt as his cyber idol Flave.
Geeze Mark, is there ANY low you won't go? My grandson figured you out halfway through breakfast when you pushed your CD across the table. When you "taxed" us a brick of .22, to shoot on your buddies land I realized I was the screwball for believing your bullchit. You are just a click below whale chit.
Looks like a lock for SM but don't count TheRealBrowneye out just yet. He's an ultra-magnum attention whore and is probably coming up with a story of how a Grinch in a green pickup tried stealing all his presents....
I sure the fu.ck ain't on Marks side other than hearing about his father. What I do think is funny however, are how pus.sy hurt you girls are over your cyber friend let-down. Right on cue Bruncle Billy jumps in to be equally as pus.sy hurt as his cyber idol Flave.
As the Campfire turns.....
Twixt claiming personal relationships with families in ID, and then supporting Claiborne, but then walking them both back when pointed you are a confusing chick.
The REAL question, and the idea that should be pondered most before we throw up and pass out this evening... Is the Redfield Counterstrike worth giving a go? And will it survive on the bunny battlefield?
Your concern is indeed warranted and your white paper report or just some holes in a beer box, will be greatly appreciated. Yours until further notice.
Geeze Mark, is there ANY low you won't go? My grandson figured you out halfway through breakfast when you pushed your CD across the table. When you "taxed" us a brick of .22, to shoot on your buddies land I realized I was the screwball for believing your bullchit. You are just a click below whale chit.
Your concern is indeed warranted and your white paper report or just some holes in a beer box, will be greatly appreciated. Yours until further notice.
W. Bill Now GFY
Thanks friend.
I will share my findings upon finding my findings.
I need to go to bed. I'm schitfaced and I have to call dogs tomorrow.
Lmao when I first read this earlier today. I knew where it was going. Leighton had this guy figured out years ago and we would PM back and forth about what a scammer he is
ObviouslyI was duped into thinking the thtead was legit. Others too. Ì posted as if it were legit. Others too. Now I'm being taken to task for it. Or is it because I consider myself a Christian, and you take offence to it? This whole deal is not my fight. Hate the OP for his thread, not others who got duped.
Don't worry it, Rusty.
Being recently returned to the 24HCF after a lengthy absence, you have missed the Safariman saga of bad deals, crooked deals, and false claims. Let alone all the insurance scams for which he has ben de-licensed, etc.
ObviouslyI was duped into thinking the thtead was legit. Others too. Ì posted as if it were legit. Others too. Now I'm being taken to task for it. Or is it because I consider myself a Christian, and you take offence to it? This whole deal is not my fight. Hate the OP for his thread, not others who got duped.
You were being taken to task because of the perception you were giving a free pass to a thief and liar because he shared a common religion with you.
Whatever it is, it's more major and invasive than kidney transplant. It must be very serious. Let's all keep him in our prayers. And maybe we should consider taking up a fund to help his family through this rough patch.
Mark Claiborne to Stateline Community Church December 17 at 9:13am ·
PRAYERS NEEDED! My dad, 79 year old Byron Claiborne, has hit his head HARD on a stonework countertop in his kitchen. There is some indication that there could have been an assault by one of his tennants there at his multi plex ranch style home. Regardless of how this came to be, right now he is on a ventilator/respirator, unconcsious, non responsive, in critical condition and according to my siblings may not have much longer to live, barring a miracle. God is bigger than all of this! And he is THE great physician. Please pray that God would have mercy in this scenario and would reach down and touch my father. Sherri and I are praying from here and awaiting more updates and info as they come in. Thank you, everyone MARK 7 Likes21 Comments1 Share LikeShare 7 people like this. 1 share Comments Kristy Jameson Kristy Jameson Prayers! Like · December 17 at 9:16am Bonnie Skaggs Bonnie Skaggs THIS IS SO BAD AND SAD,GARY AND I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY Like · December 17 at 9:16am Lucinda Harlow Lucinda Harlow Praying Like · December 17 at 9:18am Doug Murphy Doug Murphy Praying Mark, let us know if We can do anything Like · December 17 at 9:22am Valerie Calley Valerie Calley Praying Like · December 17 at 9:24am Christy Podolski Christy Podolski Lord, please be with Byron and give him a miracle. Be with his doctors, give them wisdom. Be with the family members, comfort them and fill each of them with your peace. Touch Mark specifically with extra measures of your peace Lord. It's so hard being...See More Like · 2 · December 17 at 9:29am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you for this, Christy. I truly am torn between staying wise and avoiding the germs of an airplane and wanting to see my dad whie he is alive even though he would not likely know that I am there. Like · December 17 at 10:29am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert I know it's not the same as being there, but maybe you can set up a Skype session on the computer and talk with him face to face that way... I'm sure somebody could get him connected to you with a laptop computer smile emoticon Like · 1 · December 17 at 10:32am View more replies Jamie Nauta Jamie Nauta Praying! Like · December 17 at 9:56am Tienna Martin Tienna Martin Praying Like · December 17 at 10:02am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert Prayers sent smile emoticon Like · December 17 at 10:18am Sharon Olsen Sharon Olsen Praying!! Like · December 17 at 10:25am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you everyone for the prayers and please keep them going. God CAN do a work here, but the Doctors are saying that his extensive bleeding throughout his brain will likely leave him brain dead within the next 24 hours. I am trying to decide if I should risk the germs of an airplane ride, with an important major surgery of my own coming right up on Tuesday. I need God's wisdom, too. Like · December 17 at 10:27am Kristy Jameson Kristy Jameson Praying for Gods wisdom. Like · December 17 at 10:28am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you, truly torn here. Like · December 17 at 10:30am Donna Carlson Donna Carlson Praying for you and your family. Praying and knowing GOD will be with you during your surgery, also with your dad. Like · December 17 at 10:35am Penny Dimino Penny Dimino Praying Like · December 17 at 11:01am Mindy Blevins Neissl Mindy Blevins Neissl So sorry Mark, we are praying for you! Like · December 17 at 3:48pm Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Well, the Doc's are keeping dad on a ventilator until I and my siblings all see him. Then they will take him off of it and he will likely not live much past that, if he is even alive now. Thank you all for your prayers. I am on my way to fly down there. After this trip I head/fly straight to Virginia Mason for my big surgery. Like · December 17 at 5:34pm Mindy Blevins Neissl Mindy Blevins Neissl Safe travels Mark! Like · December 17 at 8:40pm Audrey Joscelyn-Bennett Audrey Joscelyn-Bennett Praying Like · Yesterday at 12:05am Sharon Olsen Sharon Olsen Be safe Mark, prayers go with you!! Like · Yesterday at 12:17am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert Still praying for you and your Dad heart emoticon Like · Yesterday at 7:31am Virginia Triebwasser Virginia Triebwasser Praying for peace and comfort for every one Like · Yesterday at 7:34am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Dad passed away yesterday at 12:09PM. I am on an airplane headed home to try and rest up for my surgery on Tuesday. I appreciate the prayers of all of you! It will be so hard to not have him checking on me at the hospital. I found out today that he had intended to travel up to Seattle this Tuesday to be with me as I go into my most major and invasive surgery ever. This ain't gonna be a good week. Like · 1 hr Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne By the way, the B in my name, my middle name, is for Byron my father and I have included it in my signature with pride since I first learned to sign my name to any paper or document.
This keeps getting better.
Dad allegedly dies a violent death at 79, before typical life insurance policies expire at age 80.
An "accidental" death at the age of 79 would maximize insurance payments. I wonder if there's anything in the OP's past to indicate he would know that?
You're a pathological liar, Mark, and you're a sociopathic con artist.
I recall you talking about your father many times - almost always in regards to how much his properties were likely worth and his Cadillac that you talked about ad nauseum because "some day it would be yours" and you daydreamed about having it restored and cruising it with the top down. Don't recall much else about your Dad, though.
Given that you're already being investigated for bankruptcy fraud, and that normally serves as a precursor to tax fraud (figure it out as to how and why), it would likely be a very good idea to inform the bankruptcy trustee that has reopened your case as to this death and any inheritance. Given your now known track record, that trustee is going to want copies of the will and a full accounting of the estate.
Oh, and don't trouble yourself thinking that I'll rat you out to the trustee, Mark. I haven't and haven't needed to do so. You've clearly pissed off enough other people that they are taking care of watching you and making sure that you don't pull off yet another scam.
This one, though, is almost beyond the pale even for you. Though, you did try to use your dead mother-in-law for a "funeral/burial expenses" scam here, so maybe this shouldn't come as nearly as much of a surprise as it does.
Whomever said that he'll keep trying this so long as a single person buys his lies is exactly right. Frankly, the Campfire Christians need to police their own. Mark uses his "faith" (he has none, really) as a weapon in his cons. No group enables his continued nefarious ways more than the Christians on this site. When he needs a confidence boost, or a minor scam to work, it never fails that he'll get what he needs here by invoking the Lord's Name in vain and some fool will rush to aid their "brother".
Until that stops, Mark will continue to do everything he can to con anyone and everyone he can for his own greedy, self-absorbed, sociopathic desires.
Have they 'parted out' the murderer (or dad?) so SM can get his pieces/parts for Tuesdays upcoming majorest surgery yet?
Now we know the motive for the latest scam and brouhaha
Originally Posted by safariman
Mark Claiborne (On Facebook) Well, the Doc's are keeping dad on a ventilator until I and my siblings all see him. Then they will take him off of it and he will likely not live much past that, if he is even alive now. Thank you all for your prayers. I am on my way to fly down there. After this trip I head/fly straight to Virginia Mason for my big surgery
Expect SM will tell us next he's headed to VM for a "kidney transplant" that his health insurance (Obamacare - wouldn't that be ironic? Maybe not for a Democrat) won't totally cover, and that good Christian souls (i.e., idiots who don't know him well) would be blessed to contribute to his medical bills (read that his bank account for another motorcycle or hyped up worthless rifle he can peddle on another internet site).
Personality disorder is right - sociopathic borderline personality disorder. It's incurable, so let's bury the dead and move on to some worthwhile topic.
One thing is painfully obvious, so many on here still think he has some shred of morality, that they feel his posts don't warrant full reading before offering condolences
Have they 'parted out' the murderer (or dad?) so SM can get his pieces/parts for Tuesdays upcoming majorest surgery yet?
Now we know the motive for the latest scam and brouhaha
Originally Posted by safariman
Mark Claiborne (On Facebook) Well, the Doc's are keeping dad on a ventilator until I and my siblings all see him. Then they will take him off of it and he will likely not live much past that, if he is even alive now. Thank you all for your prayers. I am on my way to fly down there. After this trip I head/fly straight to Virginia Mason for my big surgery
Expect SM will tell us next he's headed to VM for a "kidney transplant" that his health insurance (Obamacare - wouldn't that be ironic? Maybe not for a Democrat) won't totally cover, and that good Christian souls (i.e., idiots who don't know him well) would be blessed to contribute to his medical bills (read that his bank account for another motorcycle or hyped up worthless rifle he can peddle on another internet site).
Personality disorder is right - sociopathic borderline personality disorder. It's incurable, so let's bury the dead and move on to some worthwhile topic.
Supposedly his Kidney transplant happened last Spring.
This one, though, is almost beyond the pale even for you. Though, you did try to use your dead mother-in-law for a "funeral/burial expenses" scam here, so maybe this shouldn't come as nearly as much of a surprise as it does.
I must have missed that one..what happened? Did he get rumbled or did folks loose money?
Dad allegedly dies a violent death at 79, before typical life insurance policies expire at age 80.
An "accidental" death at the age of 79 would maximize insurance payments. I wonder if there's anything in the OP's past to indicate he would know that?
Dad allegedly dies a violent death at 79, before typical life insurance policies expire at age 80.
An "accidental" death at the age of 79 would maximize insurance payments. I wonder if there's anything in the OP's past to indicate he would know that?
I try and want to give everybody the beniffet of doubt, that's just my nature.
I never met the man or got caught up in the other drama, however this last subject broke the camels back. One must think there is a bunch of idiots around here to try to pass that fabrication off around here. Ain't happening.
On this site YOU wil be found out. There are many folks here with a finely tuned bull [bleep] meter. You don't joke or manipulate about subjects like that, not cool. Now just do the right thing (honorable) and go.
Dad allegedly dies a violent death at 79, before typical life insurance policies expire at age 80.
An "accidental" death at the age of 79 would maximize insurance payments. I wonder if there's anything in the OP's past to indicate he would know that?
Damn.
Birdwatcher
Certainly makes you wonder, doesn't it...
No schit! Wouldnt be a shocker though if it indeed went down that way.
Mark Claiborne to Stateline Community Church December 17 at 9:13am ·
PRAYERS NEEDED! My dad, 79 year old Byron Claiborne, has hit his head HARD on a stonework countertop in his kitchen. There is some indication that there could have been an assault by one of his tennants there at his multi plex ranch style home. Regardless of how this came to be, right now he is on a ventilator/respirator, unconcsious, non responsive, in critical condition and according to my siblings may not have much longer to live, barring a miracle. God is bigger than all of this! And he is THE great physician. Please pray that God would have mercy in this scenario and would reach down and touch my father. Sherri and I are praying from here and awaiting more updates and info as they come in. Thank you, everyone MARK 7 Likes21 Comments1 Share LikeShare 7 people like this. 1 share Comments Kristy Jameson Kristy Jameson Prayers! Like · December 17 at 9:16am Bonnie Skaggs Bonnie Skaggs THIS IS SO BAD AND SAD,GARY AND I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY Like · December 17 at 9:16am Lucinda Harlow Lucinda Harlow Praying Like · December 17 at 9:18am Doug Murphy Doug Murphy Praying Mark, let us know if We can do anything Like · December 17 at 9:22am Valerie Calley Valerie Calley Praying Like · December 17 at 9:24am Christy Podolski Christy Podolski Lord, please be with Byron and give him a miracle. Be with his doctors, give them wisdom. Be with the family members, comfort them and fill each of them with your peace. Touch Mark specifically with extra measures of your peace Lord. It's so hard being...See More Like · 2 · December 17 at 9:29am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you for this, Christy. I truly am torn between staying wise and avoiding the germs of an airplane and wanting to see my dad whie he is alive even though he would not likely know that I am there. Like · December 17 at 10:29am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert I know it's not the same as being there, but maybe you can set up a Skype session on the computer and talk with him face to face that way... I'm sure somebody could get him connected to you with a laptop computer smile emoticon Like · 1 · December 17 at 10:32am View more replies Jamie Nauta Jamie Nauta Praying! Like · December 17 at 9:56am Tienna Martin Tienna Martin Praying Like · December 17 at 10:02am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert Prayers sent smile emoticon Like · December 17 at 10:18am Sharon Olsen Sharon Olsen Praying!! Like · December 17 at 10:25am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you everyone for the prayers and please keep them going. God CAN do a work here, but the Doctors are saying that his extensive bleeding throughout his brain will likely leave him brain dead within the next 24 hours. I am trying to decide if I should risk the germs of an airplane ride, with an important major surgery of my own coming right up on Tuesday. I need God's wisdom, too. Like · December 17 at 10:27am Kristy Jameson Kristy Jameson Praying for Gods wisdom. Like · December 17 at 10:28am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Thank you, truly torn here. Like · December 17 at 10:30am Donna Carlson Donna Carlson Praying for you and your family. Praying and knowing GOD will be with you during your surgery, also with your dad. Like · December 17 at 10:35am Penny Dimino Penny Dimino Praying Like · December 17 at 11:01am Mindy Blevins Neissl Mindy Blevins Neissl So sorry Mark, we are praying for you! Like · December 17 at 3:48pm Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Well, the Doc's are keeping dad on a ventilator until I and my siblings all see him. Then they will take him off of it and he will likely not live much past that, if he is even alive now. Thank you all for your prayers. I am on my way to fly down there. After this trip I head/fly straight to Virginia Mason for my big surgery. Like · December 17 at 5:34pm Mindy Blevins Neissl Mindy Blevins Neissl Safe travels Mark! Like · December 17 at 8:40pm Audrey Joscelyn-Bennett Audrey Joscelyn-Bennett Praying Like · Yesterday at 12:05am Sharon Olsen Sharon Olsen Be safe Mark, prayers go with you!! Like · Yesterday at 12:17am Denise Borchert Denise Borchert Still praying for you and your Dad heart emoticon Like · Yesterday at 7:31am Virginia Triebwasser Virginia Triebwasser Praying for peace and comfort for every one Like · Yesterday at 7:34am Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne Dad passed away yesterday at 12:09PM. I am on an airplane headed home to try and rest up for my surgery on Tuesday. I appreciate the prayers of all of you! It will be so hard to not have him checking on me at the hospital. I found out today that he had intended to travel up to Seattle this Tuesday to be with me as I go into my most major and invasive surgery ever. This ain't gonna be a good week. Like · 1 hr Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne By the way, the B in my name, my middle name, is for Byron my father and I have included it in my signature with pride since I first learned to sign my name to any paper or document.
This keeps getting better.
Dad allegedly dies a violent death at 79, before typical life insurance policies expire at age 80.
An "accidental" death at the age of 79 would maximize insurance payments. I wonder if there's anything in the OP's past to indicate he would know that?
"his multi plex ranch style home"
This is the bit that I really like...and the God solicitations, we cannot forget those.
Have they 'parted out' the murderer (or dad?) so SM can get his pieces/parts for Tuesdays upcoming majorest surgery yet?
Now we know the motive for the latest scam and brouhaha
Originally Posted by safariman
Mark Claiborne (On Facebook) Well, the Doc's are keeping dad on a ventilator until I and my siblings all see him. Then they will take him off of it and he will likely not live much past that, if he is even alive now. Thank you all for your prayers. I am on my way to fly down there. After this trip I head/fly straight to Virginia Mason for my big surgery
Expect SM will tell us next he's headed to VM for a "kidney transplant" that his health insurance (Obamacare - wouldn't that be ironic? Maybe not for a Democrat) won't totally cover, and that good Christian souls (i.e., idiots who don't know him well) would be blessed to contribute to his medical bills (read that his bank account for another motorcycle or hyped up worthless rifle he can peddle on another internet site).
Personality disorder is right - sociopathic borderline personality disorder. It's incurable, so let's bury the dead and move on to some worthwhile topic.
Supposedly his Kidney transplant happened last Spring.
VM's transplant team has very good results, so I expect this "majorest surgey" is likely some minor thing. We'll probably hear from SM next that his "kidney has been rejected" so he'll need a new one.
If you follow the Free Classifieds closely now, you may see SM start an auction for the highest bidding 24HCF Christian member to win the privilege of donating a new kidney to SM. Talk about killing 2 birds with one stone. Priceless comedy unfortunately, when the original topic was someone's death.
Caught up on 8 pages this morning after being away yesterday. This is way better than binge watching Breaking Bad! I'm thinking someone should compile a highlights - ok I mean lowlights- string of SM's posts for the newcomers to 24Hr CF.
The sidebar internet pissin contest between Flave and AssesNeights is an added bonus. Flave is rapidly becoming my new internet hero.
Last we heard, she was in bad shape and going in for multiple surgeries due to donating the kidney...
Was her fate any better than anyone else that he conned?
Hey give it a break you pack of really nasty meanies...the man is trying to have MAJOR surgery to possibly extract the fathers wallet without the bankruptcy court finding out.
Have you heartless ghouls no sympathy for one of God's wee little angels in his time of fiscal need?
I Am sorry to note,I have met a few individuals with behavior patterns similar to those noted here:all of them professed their faith to anyone who would listen,much like this one does.
Dad allegedly dies a violent death at 79, before typical life insurance policies expire at age 80.
An "accidental" death at the age of 79 would maximize insurance payments. I wonder if there's anything in the OP's past to indicate he would know that?
Lets hope the investigators are aware of Marks mode of operations.
I didn't read all 33 pages here,but did he even have the balls to post any kind of a reply here? This is one person where Ric ought to step in and pull the lifetime ban trigger, but then again, it would sure make the conversation around here a lot more pedestrian.
Mark Claiborne to Stateline Community Church December 17 at 9:13am ·
PRAYERS NEEDED! My dad, 79 year old Byron Claiborne, has hit his head HARD on a stonework countertop in his kitchen. There is some indication that there could have been an assault by one of his tennants there at his multi plex ranch style home. Regardless of how this came to be, right now he is on a ventilator/respirator, unconcsious, non responsive, in critical condition and according to my siblings may not have much longer to live, barring a miracle. God is bigger than all of this! And he is THE great physician. Please pray that God would have mercy in this scenario and would reach down and touch my father. Sherri and I are praying from here and awaiting more updates and info as they come in. Thank you, everyone MARK .........
Might be best to just take a step back for a little bit until any of this could be verified.
I've seen supposed honest people lie and I've seen liars tell the truth. Don't think I'd want to be on the wrong side of beating a man down on something like this even if the chances of it being true were very slim.
Might be best to just take a step back for a little bit until any of this could be verified.
I've seen supposed honest people lie and I've seen liars tell the truth. Don't think I'd want to be on the wrong side of beating a man down on something like this even if the chances of it being true were very slim.
Mark Claiborne to Stateline Community Church December 17 at 9:13am ·
PRAYERS NEEDED! My dad, 79 year old Byron Claiborne, has hit his head HARD on a stonework countertop in his kitchen. There is some indication that there could have been an assault by one of his tennants there at his multi plex ranch style home. Regardless of how this came to be, right now he is on a ventilator/respirator, unconcsious, non responsive, in critical condition and according to my siblings may not have much longer to live, barring a miracle. God is bigger than all of this! And he is THE great physician. Please pray that God would have mercy in this scenario and would reach down and touch my father. Sherri and I are praying from here and awaiting more updates and info as they come in. Thank you, everyone MARK .........
Might be best to just take a step back for a little bit until any of this could be verified.
I've seen supposed honest people lie and I've seen liars tell the truth. Don't think I'd want to be on the wrong side of beating a man down on something like this even if the chances of it being true were very slim.
Says volumes to.me when that Facebook post has been taken down from the churches Facebook page
I Am sorry to note,I have met a few individuals with behavior patterns similar to those noted here:all of them professed their faith to anyone who would listen,much like this one does.
I used to negotiate settlements for a large financial institution. Anytime someone brought up their faith as part of the negotiating process, I knew I was dealing with a real slime ball who would try to leverage it for money.
Auburn CA is a very small community. A brutal murder, especially of an elderly man and with a suspect supposedly under arrest and in custody, would be the type of thing to make the news, would it not?
See if you can find any hint of it via any search of local news outlets.
You guys know that Mark loves this schit, right? That's why he hadn't posted, he wants as many people to hammer him as possible. Then, when the replies start to taper off, he'll post another "I'm the victim" reply and bump the balloon back up in the air.
This shiit is hilarious. I am praying for his father, cause I doubt he is headed where he wants to go. Doesn't sound like he was a stand up man, or much of a Christian. Like father, like son. Apple sure fell right to the base didn't it
This shiit is hilarious. I am praying for his father, cause I doubt he is headed where he wants to go. Doesn't sound like he was a stand up man, or much of a Christian. Like father, like son. Apple sure fell right to the base didn't it
Hey fellow stop it, I am really trying here...I even typed sincerely!
I didn't read all 33 pages here,but did he even have the balls to post any kind of a reply here? This is one person where Ric ought to step in and pull the lifetime ban trigger, but then again, it would sure make the conversation around here a lot more pedestrian.
Nah let him be, SM posts will be studied in Psychopathology courses at major universities for years. Then a major plus is the entertainment value of the discussion.
Do you ever stop pointing your finger at people, expressing your ugly heart? Obviously you're addicted to your behavior. At least these folks try to quit and change.
I know I am late to the party as there are many threads I never open but I have read this one in its entirety.
This guy sounds like a total scissrbill to me based on what many of you are saying-has he defrauded some folks on firearms deals or what? Does he have a history of making this sort of thing up?
I know I am late to the party as there are many threads I never open but I have read this one in its entirety.
This guy sounds like a total scissrbill to me based on what many of you are saying-has he defrauded some folks on firearms deals or what? Does he have a history of making this sort of thing up?
Whistle
No, they are just all haters...pm the man and see if you can help as he would probably appreciate it.
I hope not but this really isn't out of the question anymore
Did you really just go there?
Dude.
Wasn't the first - not by a long shot.
Unless I'm mistaken about the several posts asking questions about dad going just before his insurance wouldn't pay and how maybe the OP was well aware of that....
If you read the entire thread there are several links posted to past history. It will take you awhile to read them, but there are many examples of this man's character and behavior.
Apparently the only thing we can believe from this man's mouth at the present time is that his father is, in fact, dead. That is about it.
Read the OP and a couple of followup posts. Subsequently couldn't figure out why it was getting so much attention. I passed on offering condolences, as it sounded just a little too melodramatic, and I'm glad that I did. Just logged in this morning and checked the last couple of pages. It was like watching a train wreck--I had to go back and read all 36 pages.
If you read the entire thread there are several links posted to past history. It will take you awhile to read them, but there are many examples of this man's character and behavior.
Apparently the only thing we can believe from this man's mouth at the present time is that his father is, in fact, dead. That is about it.
Well to be fair, apart from the op and a facebook post...is there any verification of such?
Far be for me to cast aspersions or doubt upon Mr (crap, I have forgotten his name)...Claiborne.
Thanks for the reply-I did see some links but have not had the time to read them. I am thinking I am getting the drift from just reading this one though.
Whistle
PS Perhaps Rommel and my Gus may need to pay this guy a visit to show him the error of his ways. Wait a minute, Gus just came in from the barn and said he had eaten enough cow [bleep] for the time being.
Mark Claiborne to Stateline Community Church December 17 at 9:13am ·
PRAYERS NEEDED! My dad, 79 year old Byron Claiborne, has hit his head HARD on a stonework countertop in his kitchen. There is some indication that there could have been an assault by one of his tennants there at his multi plex ranch style home. Regardless of how this came to be, right now he is on a ventilator/respirator, unconcsious, non responsive, in critical condition and according to my siblings may not have much longer to live, barring a miracle. God is bigger than all of this! And he is THE great physician. Please pray that God would have mercy in this scenario and would reach down and touch my father. Sherri and I are praying from here and awaiting more updates and info as they come in. Thank you, everyone MARK .........
Might be best to just take a step back for a little bit until any of this could be verified.
I've seen supposed honest people lie and I've seen liars tell the truth. Don't think I'd want to be on the wrong side of beating a man down on something like this even if the chances of it being true were very slim.
Says volumes to.me when that Facebook post has been taken down from the churches Facebook page
This Facebook post was from Mark's account, not Sherry's account. Mark Claiborne made this post to the Facebook page of Stateline Community Church on December 17 at 9:13am.
Sherry's Facebook page is in the name of Sherry Claiborne not "Sherri". Mark refers to her as "Sherri".
I hope not but this really isn't out of the question anymore
Did you really just go there?
Dude.
Wasn't the first - not by a long shot.
Unless I'm mistaken about the several posts asking questions about dad going just before his insurance wouldn't pay and how maybe the OP was well aware of that....
The thief sold a fixed annuity with withdrawl penalty over the next 10 years to an 84 year old woman. The annuity had a lower interest rate then her existing CD's which also carried 3k in penalties for early withdraws.
He left her with her checking account wiped out due to PERSONAL CHECKS written to him. Considering how badly he screwed this old lady for a 5-9k payday, there isn't anything I'd put past him for a large enough payday.
If you read his thread title it's as if he's giving a hint of what really happened. I wouldn't put murder of his own father for money above him at all. 79 and his life insurance about to be worthless ? For a true sociopath like Mark that's a lot of motive.
If the Feds weren't already monitoring this place 24/7, they will be now. Might even be hiring additional employees ...I'm sure Miss Lynn has already ran with it.
Wish condolences on the death of ones father (a week before Christmas) and you become a cock loving retard?
If that's the case I retract my condolences....I ain't getting on the wrong side of cyber ju-ju.
Correction, you long ago established yourself as a COCK loving retard.
How do you retract your condolences? retard and hypocrite.
mike r
Lol. Another idiot from the reach around crew.
God forgives you my brother.
PS...my retraction and subsequent comment regarding internet ju-ju was tongue in cheek but knowing your genetic lineage I understand how difficult everything is for you. Prayers sent
I know I am late to the party as there are many threads I never open but I have read this one in its entirety.
This guy sounds like a total scissrbill to me based on what many of you are saying-has he defrauded some folks on firearms deals or what? Does he have a history of making this sort of thing up?
Whistle
Let's just say don't buy anything from him. You'll thank me later.
OK, after high grading some of the supplied links I have to think safariman es un hombre muy loco and he probably enjoys reading all of this attention paid to him. He sounds totally desequilibrado. El es un fullero tambien.
Miss Lynn, not saying you're wrong, but the Sherry in the link and the Sherri on Mark's Facebook page who he has posted pictures of in the past, don't look like the same person to me. The one in the link with the child care is a little... thicker and doesn't appear to have any visible tattoos, whereas Mark has bragged about how he talked Sherri in to getting tattoos in the past. I could be wrong.
Edited to add: the Sherry in the link does claim to be a daughter-in-law too, and what are the odds that there would be two with the same name.
Miss Lynn, not saying you're wrong, but the Sherry in the link and the Sherri on Mark's Facebook page who he has posted pictures of in the past, don't look like the same person to me. The one in the link with the child care is a little... thicker and doesn't appear to have any visible tattoos, whereas Mark has bragged about how he talked Sherri in to getting tattoos in the past. I could be wrong.
Edited to add: the Sherry in the link does claim to be a daughter-in-law too, and what are the odds that there would be two with the same name.
If I remember right from past SM drama, Sherry is the ex and Sherri is the current wife...
I know I am late to the party as there are many threads I never open but I have read this one in its entirety.
This guy sounds like a total scissrbill to me based on what many of you are saying-has he defrauded some folks on firearms deals or what? Does he have a history of making this sort of thing up?
Whistle
No, they are just all haters...pm the man and see if you can help as he would probably appreciate it.
Just couldn't resist could you. Like someone was tempting you so they lobbed one up.
Miss Lynn, not saying you're wrong, but the Sherry in the link and the Sherri on Mark's Facebook page who he has posted pictures of in the past, don't look like the same person to me. The one in the link with the child care is a little... thicker and doesn't appear to have any visible tattoos, whereas Mark has bragged about how he talked Sherri in to getting tattoos in the past. I could be wrong.
Edited to add: the Sherry in the link does claim to be a daughter-in-law too, and what are the odds that there would be two with the same name.
I noticed that too in some pictures, but they are supposed to be one in the same, go figure
Mind you they are a lot better than some of the pics he used to post of her, ones that seemed to swerve towards his kink side.
They're not a stoned out Hollywood queered-up play write that could dream this schitt up.
It smelled fishy right off the bat, but wreaked like a landfill within a couple of pages.
I'm truly sorry to hear of the loss of life of a loved one.
This guy reminds me of one of my former AF commander who claimed to have "thousands of hours of SIMULATED combat experience" and numerous other claims to fame. It was always about him...WTF, over?
They're not a stoned out Hollywood queered-up play write that could dream this schitt up.
It smelled fishy right off the bat, but wreaked like a landfill within a couple of pages.
I'm truly sorry to hear of the loss of life of a loved one.
This guy reminds me of one of my former AF commander who claimed to have "thousands of hours of SIMULATED combat experience" and numerous other claims to fame. It was always about him...WTF, over?
As they say, the difference between writing fiction and truth is that fiction has to be somewhat believable.
Mark, I see you graced us with your presence a little after 12pm, a half decent man, I know, I know, too high an expectation for you, would have explained his [bleep], apologized, and got to hell out of Dodge.
But you would have to have started out a man of some measure, and you and I both know, you never have been, nor will you ever be.
They're not a stoned out Hollywood queered-up play write that could dream this schitt up.
It smelled fishy right off the bat, but wreaked like a landfill within a couple of pages.
I'm truly sorry to hear of the loss of life of a loved one.
This guy reminds me of one of my former AF commander who claimed to have "thousands of hours of SIMULATED combat experience" and numerous other claims to fame. It was always about him...WTF, over?
Frankly, the Campfire Christians need to police their own.
Explain how HIS sins belong to other's of the same faith. His sins are his burdens. He owns them. This is how Christianity works.
Read the rest of the post. The answers you seek are right there.
Hell, read my posts in the 7 Mashburn thread. Once you're done with those, if you are still confused then ask a direct question. Don't do PM; with Claiborne it had to be out in the open.
They're not a stoned out Hollywood queered-up play write that could dream this schitt up.
It smelled fishy right off the bat, but wreaked like a landfill within a couple of pages.
I'm truly sorry to hear of the loss of life of a loved one.
This guy reminds me of one of my former AF commander who claimed to have "thousands of hours of SIMULATED combat experience" and numerous other claims to fame. It was always about him...WTF, over?
So he was a bad ass in Call of Duty?
I don't know. He was an O-6 pilot.Training missions and flight simulator time. It was a small unit with quite a mixed crowd. Anyone describes training missions (if you can call training sorties missions) as "flying into the jaws of death" is a couple bubbles off. The real guys (one from AC-130 gunships, one chopper pilot from Vietnam, etc. really gave him hell) as I did. I was the senior enlisted guy and I'm pretty sure he despised me as I would call him on his dumb remarks...like at staff meetings. World-class narcissist.
Her ehe said he is in Roseville ca., his post on the church page less than 12 hours after his dad died, he said he was waiting on a plane back home for his " major surgery"
And why would he be in Roseville Ca, when the lady currently living at the address of his father there said he moved away years ago to Auburn ca
Her ehe said he is in Roseville ca., his post on the church page less than 12 hours after his dad died, he said he was waiting on a plane back home for his " major surgery"
And why would he be in Roseville Ca, when the lady currently living at the address of his father there said he moved away years ago to Auburn ca
There is also a discontinuity in the timelines in this story and the one he provided to the church.
Here he said dad was kept on life support until everyone arrived. In the Church version, it sounded like he was just on it for a few minutes total before the docs removed it.
Her ehe said he is in Roseville ca., his post on the church page less than 12 hours after his dad died, he said he was waiting on a plane back home for his " major surgery"
And why would he be in Roseville Ca, when the lady currently living at the address of his father there said he moved away years ago to Auburn ca
There is also a discontinuity in the timelines in this story and the one he provided to the church.
Here he said dad was kept on life support until everyone arrived. In the Church version, it sounded like he was just on it for a few minutes total before the docs removed it.
Why can't everyone just believe him and start sending him money?
Auburn and Roseville are pretty close, about 15 miles.
But he stated in his post that he was at his Father's house in Roseville, California, if you are going to be specific about something, make it the right something, but then again he never thought anyone would check a damn thing.
I read Mark's post before anyone posted a reply. I decided right away something smelled bad. Looks like I was right.
As a Christian I find his actions an embarrassment. He has done more harm while processing faith than I can stomach and earned a place on my ignore list. I wash my hands of his BS.
My father was murdered 21 years ago. It was written off as an automobile accident, but since reading this thread I have put two and two together and realize it was murder. Evidence: 1. My father was in the insurance business at one time (between being a car salesman and an OTR trucker.) 2. My father played trumpet at a roadhouse in the late '40's. My grandmother went to see him play once. She said she saw a guy get his head split open by a beer bottle so never went back. 3. My father had a reputation as a womanizer. 4. My father was a pool hustler. How much more evidence do we need to see very clearly that he was murdered in South Carolina? I want to open an investigation that will clear him of the stigma of dying drunk, in a motor vehicle accident when we have so much proof that he was murdered. If you guys on the fire will help me out, I'll start a not for profit foundation called, "Justice for Dad." As soon as you guys send me enough for the legal ins and outs I'll file for 501 c 3 status so all your donations will be tax deductible. If you haven't got cash, send guns I can sell, collectible knives, what have you. I promise that all who support my efforts will get their just reward.
I read Mark's post before anyone posted a reply. I decided right away something smelled bad. Looks like I was right.
As a Christian I find his actions an embarrassment. He has done more harm while processing faith than I can stomach and earned a place on my ignore list. I wash my hands of his BS.
Scott,
As I've said before. Not all Christianities are equal.
I don't think he can recover from this. Maybe he won't be back
He's been online nearly the whole time. The sick fugger beats off to this stuff. Book it.
He probably is so addicted to his own lies that he can't help himself. This one, however, drags his family into it and in a horrible way. What a sick SOB.
Apparently the father did die. Poking around on Facebook shows lots of posts by grandchildren and various relatives in the Sacramento area telling of his passing.
I started reading this thread and it became very fishy very quickly. Then went back and saw the poster!
Unbelievable....
Growing up in the Chrurch, I realised that being a 'Christian' does not equate to being a good person. Going to Church does not make you a good person.
Being truly Christian in your relationships and actions is far more important.
Reading this post and many others of SM's over the years make me think of three words:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Worked with them before. Give me a garden variety sociopath any day!
I read Mark's post before anyone posted a reply. I decided right away something smelled bad. Looks like I was right.
As a Christian I find his actions an embarrassment. He has done more harm while processing faith than I can stomach and earned a place on my ignore list. I wash my hands of his BS.
Scott,
As I've said before. Not all Christianities are equal.
Sure they are. The thing is, I could call myself an astronaut, but that doesn't make me one.
There will be a response from the narcissist at some point - there just will. And, count on it being a "na-na na-na boo-boo" or "I shouldn't be typing when so heavily medicated for my upcoming surgery" type response.
As well, the "na-na na-na boo-boo" response will include a thank you to the copious amounts of PM's he's received from his "friends" here showing their support.
Lastly, there will be a scolding to the people that have "ruined" this place; about how this used to be a place where real men used to talk about guns, hunting and shooting.
Aah alas......if only picking lotto numbers were this easy.
So, without reading the entire thread, is it correct that Sherry has stated on Facebook that the elderly Mr. Claiborne died from blunt force trauma to the head? If that is the case, then how does anyone here know it was an accident (as in a fall) and not intentional? I can see faulting Safariman for asserting categorically that it was murder without him knowing for sure, but does anyone here know facts about the incident that he does not? Not defending his past falsehoods here, but not sure the evidence proves just yet that this is another one of those "stories". I think we need more info.
I read Mark's post before anyone posted a reply. I decided right away something smelled bad. Looks like I was right.
As a Christian I find his actions an embarrassment. He has done more harm while processing faith than I can stomach and earned a place on my ignore list. I wash my hands of his BS.
Scott, ' As I've said before. Not all Christianities are equal.
So, without reading the entire thread, is it correct that Sherry has stated on Facebook that the elderly Mr. Claiborne died from blunt force trauma to the head? If that is the case, then how does anyone here know it was an accident (as in a fall) and not intentional? I can see faulting Safariman for asserting categorically that it was murder without him knowing for sure, but does anyone here know facts about the incident that he does not? Not defending his past falsehoods here, but not sure the evidence proves just yet that this is another one of those "stories". I think we need more info.
So much horse $hit surrounding SM. That's the reason I never posted before now. I knew from the beginning something was gonna turn out not on the up and up.
To many good people here willing to forget about all the BS and offer a person condolences when [bleep] is really bad for them. I was gonna do the same but waited to see if it was BS or not.
So, without reading the entire thread, is it correct that Sherry has stated on Facebook that the elderly Mr. Claiborne died from blunt force trauma to the head? If that is the case, then how does anyone here know it was an accident (as in a fall) and not intentional? I can see faulting Safariman for asserting categorically that it was murder without him knowing for sure, but does anyone here know facts about the incident that he does not? Not defending his past falsehoods here, but not sure the evidence proves just yet that this is another one of those "stories". I think we need more info.
I don't believe Sherry ever stated it. I think if you read correctly, that you will see that sherry copied it from marks Facebook page
I wonder if Mark really did have a kidney transplant......
I would say there's no chance of that. He was using that excuse to defraud folks and and gain sympathy.
It's one fraud after lie after fraud after lie. Him and his lying manupliting "wife" Sherri or sherry or whatever the hell her name is, threatened to sue me...right up until it was true. Turns out it's not slander if they're the ones full of Schit.
I gave Mark a chance via PM to explain how it was that his father was murdered, but there was absolutely no public data available to verify that. Of course he told me NOTHING that could be checked on and verified. He's as phony as a $3.00 bill.
I thought his parents lived in Sandpoint Idaho. Was going to do a deal with him 3 or 4 years ago and that was the meeting spot and he said his mother lived there. So was his parents divorced or just some more bullshit. Anyway I was stood up and never got the deal done
KOKY nominee. Don't think the past winners TRH and Barak are even close.
Ummm...yes, they are.
Apparently someone missed TRH's fracking story a while back. It's right up there with the con trail,cocobolo nun chuck, monsanto, crazed negro in a pickup truck, vacuum sealed shower gun, GMO, mason BS. He also explained his fear of fluoride recently. If he gets any dumber (more liberal) he's going to start telling us how we can change the climate by donating to the DNC.
Got to admit, starting this thread off with, "My father was just murdered...", is definitely an attention getter, which is something Safariman seems to be addicted to.
Lots of expressions of sympathy, condolences, thoughts and prayers extended to the Claiborne family posted on his ex-wife (Sherry) and their two daughters Facebook pages but not even the slightest hint of possible foul play involved in Safariman's father's death was mentioned by them or anyone else with so far no updates since. Ex-wife and daughters have now gone back to posting other unrelated everyday stuff. Still nothing whatsoever about it on their son's or Safariman's Facebook pages.
Wondering now if a person were to suffer a major debilitating stroke or heart attack, which led to them falling and severely injuring themselves, and then later died, would life insurance payout double indemnity for accidental death or deny double indemnity arguing cause of death being the stroke/heart attack.
Well you have to figure his donor died, never a word about her since the first post that she was not doing well and had complications, so did she make it or not, she can't be too proud of her sacrifice now I wouldn't think.
Well you have to figure his donor died, never a word about her since the first post that she was not doing well and had complications, so did she make it or not, she can't be too proud of her sacrifice now I wouldn't think.
IF there was a donor it wouldn't matter as once a person is used up they cease to exist for the fellow, he seems too immediate and self centred for concerns about others.
Well you have to figure his donor died, never a word about her since the first post that she was not doing well and had complications, so did she make it or not, she can't be too proud of her sacrifice now I wouldn't think.
Thankfully his cousin the kidney donor is not dead, at least not according to her and her husband's Facebook pages. They both seem to be real good, normal people. The fact that Safariman never has mentioned her welfare anymore comes as no real surprise and only further proves his narcissism runs deep.
Just when I thought things were getting boring around here this jewel of thread pops up.. Need to find the model 71 thread when the boys were defending ol SM.. Oh the donation thread to get his ol ladies car fixed was a pretty good one.. Or better yet he took pictures of his 7mm mashburn and one the scopes that was donated to his supposed veteran buddy was on it...
I have always wondered were some of his most ardent defenders went off too? We're talking about a sizable number of well respected, reputable members here who constantly seemed to not only rush to his defense but criticize those who questioned his behavior. Well known writers, veterans, etc. What is shameful is that once the curtain was pulled back, those same folks did not voice their condemnation or disapproval and, instead, chose to remain silent, slink away and put their heads in the sand, or claim to have more pressing commitments and began to sporadically post or cease activity here altogether. It would take some digging but I am positive that some here had considered donating a kidney, at one time or another.
Just an observation but an interesting one, at least to me.
Very soon after the kidney transplant the donor's husband posted on his Facebook page that his wife was suffering quite a bit from post surgery complications.
Also, I believe Miss Lynn said she called the hospital when the transplant surgery took place and spoke with his wife, AsphaltAngel.
Always like these religious idiots... it called luck of the draw, no amount of praying is gonna change schitt, period.... if your low on support or friends, go to church, you'll find both, and someone that'll hump your old lady or molest your kids.... [bleep] donkeys...
I have always wondered were some of his most ardent defenders went off too? We're talking about a sizable number of well respected, reputable members here who constantly seemed to not only rush to his defense but criticize those who questioned his behavior. Well known writers, veterans, etc. What is shameful is that once the curtain was pulled back, those same folks did not voice their condemnation or disapproval and, instead, chose to remain silent, slink away and put their heads in the sand, or claim to have more pressing commitments and began to sporadically post or cease activity here altogether. It would take some digging but I am positive that some here had considered donating a kidney, at one time or another.
Just an observation but an interesting one, at least to me.
You will find them in the model 71 thread in short SM sold a model 71 it was not as described SM would not reply to pm from individual so the fella stopped payment on check which SM already had spent... It got ugly one guy even bought the rifle to help SM the fella never reported back what kind of condition it was in.. Anyhow a lot guys ate crow on that one..
Also, I believe Miss Lynn said she called the hospital when the transplant surgery took place and spoke with his wife, AsphaltAngel.
I did, and I also spoke with the lead floor nurse. He truly did have surgery, kidney surgery, she was overwhelming polite, very receptive to my questions, and quite liberal with her answers.
I can be quite persuasive when I want to be, a little hint here, a little hint there, by the time we finished talking, I was somewhere between being his Sister and his health support councilor.
I wonder if Mark really did have a kidney transplant......
I would say there's no chance of that. He was using that excuse to defraud folks and and gain sympathy.
It's one fraud after lie after fraud after lie. Him and his lying manupliting "wife" Sherri or sherry or whatever the hell her name is, threatened to sue me...right up until it was true. Turns out it's not slander if they're the ones full of Schit.
one of my "contacts" said he was going to sue for slander also,until I told him it has to be proven a lie....which I was prepared to prove in court,it wasn't. never heard another word.
However, there is one extreme type of liar that you should beware of; the Sociopathic Liar.
On first impressions, you may find you actually like or are drawn to the sociopath. It’s not surprising as more often than not they are indeed charming and likable. Watch out, these type of liars can cause untold damage and mayhem once they lead you into their web of lies and deceit.
Sociopaths lie the most because they are incapable of feelings and do not want to understand the impact of their lies. They may even get a thrill out of lying at your expense. Once they tell an initial lie they go on to tell many more lies in an attempt to cover up the lies they started, or just for the “fun” of it.
A sociopath rarely reveals his or her feelings or emotions. You won’t often hear them laugh, cry, or get angry. These kinds of liars tend to live in their own little world and always find ways to justify their dishonest deeds. They do not respect others and place their own needs first and foremost.
If someone questions the sociopath’s lies they can be incredibly devious in the way they cover things up. This can include placing the blame at someone else’s door or by inventing complex stories to cover up their untruths.
Sociopaths can be so good at lying that they are able to pass lie detector tests. This means they often escape jail or don’t even get prosecuted for the crimes they permit. (That’s not to say all sociopathic liars are criminals, of course).
[ I did, and I also spoke with the lead floor nurse. He truly did have surgery, kidney surgery, she was overwhelming polite, very receptive to my questions, and quite liberal with her answers.
I can be quite persuasive when I want to be, a little hint here, a little hint there, by the time we finished talking, I was somewhere between being his Sister and his health support councilor.
Being a man of the cloth, combined with the spirit of the season, maybe we should all find it in our hearts to have a little compassion......
Maybe put our petty differences aside.... and come together as a group of enthusiasts.....to forgive our sick, twisted, retard of a fellow board member.......??? WWJD?
Naw. Screw that schit.........CRUCIFY HIM........CRUCIFY HIM.
Being a man of the cloth, combined with the spirit of the season, maybe we should all find it in our hearts to have a little compassion......
Maybe put our petty differences aside.... and come together as a group of enthusiasts.....to forgive our sick, twisted, retard of a fellow board member.......??? WWJD?
Naw. Screw that schit.........CRUCIFY HIM........CRUCIFY HIM.
In my experience, not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Many are not, actually.
Amen brother...this thread is proof...
This thread is not proof. You are extending a sample of one to all Christians and that is totally wrong. SM brags of being a Christian and displays much pride in that. True Christians are meek and not prideful and let their actions speak to their faith. Very sorry for your thoughts.
I wonder if Mark really did have a kidney transplant......
I would say there's no chance of that. He was using that excuse to defraud folks and and gain sympathy.
It's one fraud after lie after fraud after lie. Him and his lying manupliting "wife" Sherri or sherry or whatever the hell her name is, threatened to sue me...right up until it was true. Turns out it's not slander if they're the ones full of Schit.
one of my "contacts" said he was going to sue for slander also,until I told him it has to be proven a lie....which I was prepared to prove in court,it wasn't. never heard another word.
Yeah pretty tough to call it slander when you've had your license taken away for fraud.
To mention God's name in something where the ulterior motive is clearly not God's message, is the very definition of "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."
In my experience, not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Many are not, actually.
Amen brother...this thread is proof...
This thread is not proof. You are extending a sample of one to all Christians and that is totally wrong. SM brags of being a Christian and displays much pride in that. True Christians are meek and not prideful and let their actions speak to their faith. Very sorry for your thoughts.
Not a Christian myself but if I remember my teaching correctly, true Christians can run the whole spectrum as we are all sinners and are only saved by grace. Christians may be admonished to live a sin free life, but God knows they can't. Thus the 'escape clause' of repentance and acceptance. Maybe I got it all wrong, though...
Mark Claiborne with Byron Claiborne and 6 others. 6 hrs ·
Well, maybe I have been waiting for the tears to subside. That was a bad idea if the case. I really don't know what to do here, how to react, I have never been in this place in life before.
A facebook posting cannot do 1/1000th of the job that should be done to tell anyone of how I feel or what I have experienced or how much Byron Claiborne meant to me. My father, my DAD.... or what I am feeling and going through right now.
I have had the distractions the past couple of days of having to travel (yeah, I broke down and embarrased myself on the airplanes) of needing to do vehicle maintenence on my truck to get ready for my trip tomorrow to Seattle for my own surgery, and even watched a good part of a football game today while my truck was being worked on. I took a few family members to a gun show in Roseville on Saturday. That is one of the ways I have somehow learned to cope with pain and discomfort, to bury it at least for a while in distractions or fun. Now, In a few hours I must leave and be focused on getting through my Nephrectomy (original kidneys removed) and that will perhaps occupy my mind enough that it will help me cope with what I am dealing with but that, too, will be short term.
But very short term it is and must be. Because from now on, every day in the future, just as every day in the past I will see and hear my father whenever I look in the mirror. Or laugh, or tell a joke, or sing. But now, the feeling and remembering will be far, far different. I will no longer or ever again be 'a chip off the old block' or 'the nut that didn't fall far from the tree' and to be VERY sure, I am very much my fathers son in oh so many ways. But now I guess that I and my siblings ARE our own blocks or tree's or nuts or whatever. Sobering, this.
Just on Friday evening, the day that my dad was birthed into eternity with Jesus, while at his home and tearfully recalling.... I heard myself laugh and was taken aback ever so jarringly when I realized that I sounded EXACTLY like my father at that very moment. So much so that if he had stepped out from behind a car or whatever it would have seemed so normal. Except, that it wasn't.
So, for a facebook post what can I do or say? Here is what I have come up with so far. And I am possibly writing this for my own healing and benefit as much as for anyone else's benefit but I do hope this brings some joy and peace to whomever reads it.
We have all, ALL of us, fallen short of the Glory of God. Of perfection here on this rock we are stuck to. We all have warts, and failures that we wish were not so. This is as true of me as it is of any man. And me very possibly more so than most. Does it seem to anyone else a little odd that sometimes those who capture the highest highs of life and even ministry are also often capable and culpable in the lowest of the lows? That the best, can at times or in areas be also the worst? Abraham and Paul and David and a few others come to my mind now and they, this truth, give me comfort and add weight to the idea of grace!
OK, so what do we do with this? The personal failures of we ourselves and the places where people who we love and look up to have failed to meet our lofty expectations? Fallen from some pedestal that at least I should never have been on? I am seriously beating myself up here for even going down this path, maybe I should not. If I hurt or offend someone please forgive me. But just as is the case with David the murdering, lying adulterer and is the case in my life and as is true all of humankind our major league big time failures and screw ups are well chronicled and undeniable. The same is true of my awesome, loving father. I know of some of the pain he went through, but only some. I bear in myself some of his struggles. Whether it is from his DNA or something else I do not care to address at this time. I only know that it is real and is a God sized fight if there ever was one. The only one other than he himself who really knew what my fathers pain and battle was and was like is God himself. And so it is to this truly JUST and all knowing God that I commit my dad and myself to. But I must say here, and now, how very thankful I am that God describe's himself and his BASIC COMPONENT or feature or attribute is LOVE!
To try to put this to some perspective that is helpful, if I dare. As much as I love my children - and this is a TON - no, it cannot even be measured - GOD loves me, and loved my father, EVEN MORE! My children can and could do NOTHING, ever, to not be welcome by me, loved by me, cared for by me, forgiven by me , cherished by me, not anything, not ever. Period, the end. And they can for CERTAIN never do anything that would make their DNA and bloodlines other than their mothers and mine alone! And now to think, as clearly as I ever would care to think, that GOD has chosen to impart to my father and to me others HIS OWN spiritual DNA and bloodline! And that he, somehow, loves US... loves ME, loved and still loves my DAD even more than I love my own children? If this is true, and I know that it is, I have no worries about my dad right now. And GRACE..... Don't get me started..... smile emoticon ( I am pretty sure there is a book about that one). Hallelujiah! and I mean this to the utmost of my being.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come! Until like my dad finally got to see this past Friday the ultimate win. As my father often said. "watch me grow!"
But more than that. MUCH more than that. God did not put all of these men of faith with their warts and sins up there for us to all see just so that we would be discouraged and without hope or a battle cry of our own. No, not at all. They, like Byron Claiborne of my lineage and bloodline and proud heritage gave and give to us all our own wonderful and good things to not just emulate, but to also become even BETTER at or with. Lord Jesus may the GOOD things of our heritage be expanded and expounded upon! My dad was proud that as successful as he was at insurance sales, I was far more so the big time producer. I am proud that as well as I did in my business years, my son is doing all the better! And my Daughters are business owners and successfull in their endeavors as well! What joy this gives me. Byron Jr. (BJ) Amber, my sister Debbie who became an RN as a mother of two young sons still at home in her 30's, we have all seen much success as this world would normally define it. That is a part of our heritage from my dad, and I am thankful for that and duly proud of it as well. No reason (like false modesty or some stupid poor is better mindset) to not be proud. Then there is the singing and performing. Tabitha has really turned that one into an art form as well as any of us have done. All of us can sing, be on stage, give Glory to God with our voices and energy. But THIS is not the most important part of our heritage, not at all.
The heritage, and we all have a slightly different part of that as Byron Claiborne was a man as diverse as he was gifted, is the good and oftimes VERY good things that we saw of him and should now emulate. THIS DIATRIBE, and any that follow including at his memorial service will NOT be my 'memorial' to this most amazing man. LET THE GOOD THINGS OF HIS LIFE, THAT I NOW CARRY WITH ME, BE MY MEMORIAL!
Siblings and children of mine, feel free to ad to these as you experienced them or value them here perhaps (I would so love to see them) but to close this out before my swollen eyes shut completely and I run completely out of tears for the night, I thought that I would list a few things of my dads that I value greatly. Far from a complete list, and AGAIN I would REALLY love to hear from some others of his decendants what they will now value and build even more into their life from Byron Claiborne. But here are a few that I have chosen and now plan and hope to build upon even more:
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge.
LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
Making family and time for them and with them THE priority ( I am so glad for all of the time I spent with my dad right now!) Remember the Christmas parties and trips and reunions! We must keep this heritage and fullness of family going and alive.
Southern Gospel Music, of course
Doing whatever it is that is set before me, BIG and then do it again, bigger still!
Change the world around me. Be the game and world changer
Take this amazing gift that God has given us called life, and LIVE it! Not timidly or fearfully or half way. LIVE!
My siblings and I exchanged over the last weekend some of our favorite life sayings of my / our father. I will express many of them, I think, with this one scripture that I think fits dad pretty well and the way he lived his life. Of course it is not the only one, and I am not to say it is the best one. But it strikes me today as hitting the mark pretty well:
"whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with ALL THY MIGHT! As unto the LORD!" (emphasis and punctuation mine and added, of course)
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Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila What time is your surgery tomorrow in Seattle, I would like to be in prayer during that time; to uplift you my brother. Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Maryann Leslie Maryann Leslie Thank you for sharing this gut wrenching process Mark Claiborne so transparently...one that anyone would pray they never have to experience. Doing this in "real time" is part of the healthy process of grieving. It will come in waves...I will keep you in my prayers, as we have through your surgeries Mark. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne My surgery is on Tuesday morning at 8AM. Thank you my brother. Lets chat by phone tomorrow. And I have not yet told my freind and your Mike about this terrible event. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila I let Mike read it on Facebook about the post on Facebook you wrote about your father. I will call you tomorrow early afternoon if that's a good time? Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne perfect Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Susan Lorett-Knowlton Susan Lorett-Knowlton My heart aches for you in your loss and as Shelby's 16th birthday is on Wednesday I am trying to fight so many tears myself. I reflect back to her memorial service and how you MC'd the event. You spoke about how you admired me for how well I took care ...See More Like · Reply · 1 · 5 hrs
Amber Claiborne Engle Amber Claiborne Engle Thank you Mark for sharing your thoughts. I thought a few times how your mannerisms reminded me of Dad. He loved you very much. I know I keep saying it, and of all people, you know it, but I want you to know I saw his love for you too and it was a very proud and sweet love that he had for his son. I'll be praying for you during your surgery too. You're loved... Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs
Clinton Waddell Clinton Waddell I am so glad I had the chance to meet Byron and eat lunch with him at Virginia Mason during the transplant! You ARE very much your father's son... A real renaissance man! You will always have him inside you. As you prepare for your next step in life he...See More Like · Reply · 2 · 48 mins
Lorene Roark Lorene Roark Beautifully said. I only met your dad a few times, but my husband, Jerry Roark, sang with him back in the 60's. They reconnected a few years ago and sent Jerry a prize possession (a DVD from a recording they filmed at Point Loma). Jerry watched it many...See More Like · Reply · 8 mins
In all fairness, the man has not asked for nor solicited anything other than prayer.
And, tacitly, for sympathy.
Originally Posted by Martha Stout, The Sociopath Next Door“
Rather, the best clue is, of all things, the pity play. The most reliable sign, the most universal behavior of unscrupulous people is not directed, as one might imagine, at our fearfulness. It is, perversely, an appeal to our sympathy.”
Originally Posted by Martha Stout, The Sociopath Next Door
“Sociopaths have no regard whatsoever for the social contract, but they do know how to use it to their advantage. And all in all, I am sure that if the devil existed, he would want us to feel very sorry for him.”
who in the he!! thinks this [bleep] up? he does have a problem, using his dads death as a personal gain, SICK MAN
In all fairness, the man has not asked for nor solicited anything other than prayer.
Give it time....
I have no doubt there will be a hook.
James,
There are alot of gullible on these forums, but you are certainly not one of them!
Regards,
Peter
Hold off on that thought Pete...I am doing a double shift on Christmas day so that a work colleague can travel five hours and have Christmas dinner with her family.
I may not be gullible but I sure as hell am as soft as a marshmallow.
Well you have to figure his donor died, never a word about her since the first post that she was not doing well and had complications, so did she make it or not, she can't be too proud of her sacrifice now I wouldn't think.
That presumes she ever existed as more then a couple internet posts as part of SH's scheme.
Someone may not come out and directly ask for donations.
The predators that prey on real people that try to help their fellow man, target the heart strings and generosity of those willing to help in a time of crisis.
While not openly asking for sympathy or donations, both will assuredly come.
That is what makes this sort of thing so evil.
When the real motives are exposed for what they are, the people that jump to help others are more hesitant to do so, because they don't trust anymore...
I saw SofarIlieman's post shortly after it went up yesterday, and it blew the GFI breaker on my Bullshit Detector so bad I had to run down to Ace Hardware and buy a new breaker.
This morning I decided to scroll through, so far I'm up to about page 16.
I saw SofarIlieman's post shortly after it went up yesterday, and it blue the GFI breaker on my Bullshit Detector so bad I had to run down to Ace Hardware and buy a new breaker.
This morning I decided to scroll through, so far I'm up to about page 16.
Epic. Uber. Words fail me.
It's sad that so many of us saw, and thought, and expected it to be exactly what it was. Breathtaking, really.
I have read every page of this thread, the Op made me wonder where and how this would go. I sit here reading everyone pile on SM, and know it is all justified. Things I don't understand bother me, and this guy is a real piece of work. As a very flawed Christian, I would ask that folks realize that the bad any of us do is a sin against God, not something that is ok because of him.
In my experience, not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Many are not, actually.
Amen brother...this thread is proof...
This thread is not proof. You are extending a sample of one to all Christians and that is totally wrong. SM brags of being a Christian and displays much pride in that. True Christians are meek and not prideful and let their actions speak to their faith. Very sorry for your thoughts.
Not a Christian myself but if I remember my teaching correctly, true Christians can run the whole spectrum as we are all sinners and are only saved by grace. Christians may be admonished to live a sin free life, but God knows they can't. Thus the 'escape clause' of repentance and acceptance. Maybe I got it all wrong, though...
Yes you did succeed at getting it wrong. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Faith will get Christians to heaven, not works.
Does it count if you knock a tenth off the top of ill gotten booty?
Yes, the OT is very clear, God must receive his share to the booty. A portion of any booty must be given to the priests, and a portion of that must be sent up as a burnt offering.
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre. The last thing I want this swindler to have is my phone number.
Mark has had life events that many of us will only dream about. It's sad to see someone that has had the opportunity to experience the things he has pictures of get so twisted up. I hope he gets the help he needs before anyone falls victim to the scams.
I would love to see Africa and to hunt the new Zealand mountains, but I am just content with being able to tell the truth most of the time and help others when I can. Nothing fancy about being normal, you may want to give it a shot mark.
Yes, the guy with the multiplex ranch home and multiple appartment units didn't have enough money to pay funeral expenses. Kinda like the disabled guy with huge expenses, who was buying/building guns and motorcycles, all while begging for money to pay bills. In my world when people are broke the toys are sold, usually too cheap.
Watching the KOTY judges sweat the bribes, public condemnation, social media controversy et al, only to have the LOCK PICK handed to them like this, is pure contest gold.
Mark has had life events that many of us will only dream about...
... I would love to see Africa and to hunt the new Zealand mountains...
Well like a lot of others, I've done the first and plan to do the second soon.. but we paid for it with money we earned rather than money we stole from vulnerable retired folks.
Might explain the high level of contempt SoFarIlieman has earned here on the 24HCF.
Does this mean Mark will be burning Gospel CD's because it looks like the tax man will be taking all his cash?
So long as the CD's make s "sweet savor unto the Lord", he's probably ok, but I always thought burning CD's kind of stunk, so Mark will probably needs someone to donate a Calf or sheep so he can use the fat for his burn offering.
Yes, the guy with the multiplex ranch home and multiple appartment units didn't have enough money to pay funeral expenses. Kinda like the disabled guy with huge expenses, who was buying/building guns and motorcycles, all while begging for money to pay bills. In my world when people are broke the toys are sold, usually too cheap.
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Mark has had life events that many of us will only dream about. It's sad to see someone that has had the opportunity to experience the things he has pictures of get so twisted up. I hope he gets the help he needs before anyone falls victim to the scams.
I would love to see Africa and to hunt the new Zealand mountains, but I am just content with being able to tell the truth most of the time and help others when I can. Nothing fancy about being normal, you may want to give it a shot mark.
SM has the personality disorder of a criminal. The only help for him available is jail, to prevent his predatory inclination on law abiding people. There is no cure for sociopathic personality.
Mark Claiborne with Byron Claiborne and 6 others. 6 hrs ·
Well, maybe I have been waiting for the tears to subside. That was a bad idea if the case. I really don't know what to do here, how to react, I have never been in this place in life before.
A facebook posting cannot do 1/1000th of the job that should be done to tell anyone of how I feel or what I have experienced or how much Byron Claiborne meant to me. My father, my DAD.... or what I am feeling and going through right now.
I have had the distractions the past couple of days of having to travel (yeah, I broke down and embarrased myself on the airplanes) of needing to do vehicle maintenence on my truck to get ready for my trip tomorrow to Seattle for my own surgery, and even watched a good part of a football game today while my truck was being worked on. I took a few family members to a gun show in Roseville on Saturday. That is one of the ways I have somehow learned to cope with pain and discomfort, to bury it at least for a while in distractions or fun. Now, In a few hours I must leave and be focused on getting through my Nephrectomy (original kidneys removed) and that will perhaps occupy my mind enough that it will help me cope with what I am dealing with but that, too, will be short term.
But very short term it is and must be. Because from now on, every day in the future, just as every day in the past I will see and hear my father whenever I look in the mirror. Or laugh, or tell a joke, or sing. But now, the feeling and remembering will be far, far different. I will no longer or ever again be 'a chip off the old block' or 'the nut that didn't fall far from the tree' and to be VERY sure, I am very much my fathers son in oh so many ways. But now I guess that I and my siblings ARE our own blocks or tree's or nuts or whatever. Sobering, this.
Just on Friday evening, the day that my dad was birthed into eternity with Jesus, while at his home and tearfully recalling.... I heard myself laugh and was taken aback ever so jarringly when I realized that I sounded EXACTLY like my father at that very moment. So much so that if he had stepped out from behind a car or whatever it would have seemed so normal. Except, that it wasn't.
So, for a facebook post what can I do or say? Here is what I have come up with so far. And I am possibly writing this for my own healing and benefit as much as for anyone else's benefit but I do hope this brings some joy and peace to whomever reads it.
We have all, ALL of us, fallen short of the Glory of God. Of perfection here on this rock we are stuck to. We all have warts, and failures that we wish were not so. This is as true of me as it is of any man. And me very possibly more so than most. Does it seem to anyone else a little odd that sometimes those who capture the highest highs of life and even ministry are also often capable and culpable in the lowest of the lows? That the best, can at times or in areas be also the worst? Abraham and Paul and David and a few others come to my mind now and they, this truth, give me comfort and add weight to the idea of grace!
OK, so what do we do with this? The personal failures of we ourselves and the places where people who we love and look up to have failed to meet our lofty expectations? Fallen from some pedestal that at least I should never have been on? I am seriously beating myself up here for even going down this path, maybe I should not. If I hurt or offend someone please forgive me. But just as is the case with David the murdering, lying adulterer and is the case in my life and as is true all of humankind our major league big time failures and screw ups are well chronicled and undeniable. The same is true of my awesome, loving father. I know of some of the pain he went through, but only some. I bear in myself some of his struggles. Whether it is from his DNA or something else I do not care to address at this time. I only know that it is real and is a God sized fight if there ever was one. The only one other than he himself who really knew what my fathers pain and battle was and was like is God himself. And so it is to this truly JUST and all knowing God that I commit my dad and myself to. But I must say here, and now, how very thankful I am that God describe's himself and his BASIC COMPONENT or feature or attribute is LOVE!
To try to put this to some perspective that is helpful, if I dare. As much as I love my children - and this is a TON - no, it cannot even be measured - GOD loves me, and loved my father, EVEN MORE! My children can and could do NOTHING, ever, to not be welcome by me, loved by me, cared for by me, forgiven by me , cherished by me, not anything, not ever. Period, the end. And they can for CERTAIN never do anything that would make their DNA and bloodlines other than their mothers and mine alone! And now to think, as clearly as I ever would care to think, that GOD has chosen to impart to my father and to me others HIS OWN spiritual DNA and bloodline! And that he, somehow, loves US... loves ME, loved and still loves my DAD even more than I love my own children? If this is true, and I know that it is, I have no worries about my dad right now. And GRACE..... Don't get me started..... smile emoticon ( I am pretty sure there is a book about that one). Hallelujiah! and I mean this to the utmost of my being.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come! Until like my dad finally got to see this past Friday the ultimate win. As my father often said. "watch me grow!"
But more than that. MUCH more than that. God did not put all of these men of faith with their warts and sins up there for us to all see just so that we would be discouraged and without hope or a battle cry of our own. No, not at all. They, like Byron Claiborne of my lineage and bloodline and proud heritage gave and give to us all our own wonderful and good things to not just emulate, but to also become even BETTER at or with. Lord Jesus may the GOOD things of our heritage be expanded and expounded upon! My dad was proud that as successful as he was at insurance sales, I was far more so the big time producer. I am proud that as well as I did in my business years, my son is doing all the better! And my Daughters are business owners and successfull in their endeavors as well! What joy this gives me. Byron Jr. (BJ) Amber, my sister Debbie who became an RN as a mother of two young sons still at home in her 30's, we have all seen much success as this world would normally define it. That is a part of our heritage from my dad, and I am thankful for that and duly proud of it as well. No reason (like false modesty or some stupid poor is better mindset) to not be proud. Then there is the singing and performing. Tabitha has really turned that one into an art form as well as any of us have done. All of us can sing, be on stage, give Glory to God with our voices and energy. But THIS is not the most important part of our heritage, not at all.
The heritage, and we all have a slightly different part of that as Byron Claiborne was a man as diverse as he was gifted, is the good and oftimes VERY good things that we saw of him and should now emulate. THIS DIATRIBE, and any that follow including at his memorial service will NOT be my 'memorial' to this most amazing man. LET THE GOOD THINGS OF HIS LIFE, THAT I NOW CARRY WITH ME, BE MY MEMORIAL!
Siblings and children of mine, feel free to ad to these as you experienced them or value them here perhaps (I would so love to see them) but to close this out before my swollen eyes shut completely and I run completely out of tears for the night, I thought that I would list a few things of my dads that I value greatly. Far from a complete list, and AGAIN I would REALLY love to hear from some others of his decendants what they will now value and build even more into their life from Byron Claiborne. But here are a few that I have chosen and now plan and hope to build upon even more:
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge.
LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
Making family and time for them and with them THE priority ( I am so glad for all of the time I spent with my dad right now!) Remember the Christmas parties and trips and reunions! We must keep this heritage and fullness of family going and alive.
Southern Gospel Music, of course
Doing whatever it is that is set before me, BIG and then do it again, bigger still!
Change the world around me. Be the game and world changer
Take this amazing gift that God has given us called life, and LIVE it! Not timidly or fearfully or half way. LIVE!
My siblings and I exchanged over the last weekend some of our favorite life sayings of my / our father. I will express many of them, I think, with this one scripture that I think fits dad pretty well and the way he lived his life. Of course it is not the only one, and I am not to say it is the best one. But it strikes me today as hitting the mark pretty well:
"whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with ALL THY MIGHT! As unto the LORD!" (emphasis and punctuation mine and added, of course)
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Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila What time is your surgery tomorrow in Seattle, I would like to be in prayer during that time; to uplift you my brother. Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Maryann Leslie Maryann Leslie Thank you for sharing this gut wrenching process Mark Claiborne so transparently...one that anyone would pray they never have to experience. Doing this in "real time" is part of the healthy process of grieving. It will come in waves...I will keep you in my prayers, as we have through your surgeries Mark. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne My surgery is on Tuesday morning at 8AM. Thank you my brother. Lets chat by phone tomorrow. And I have not yet told my freind and your Mike about this terrible event. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila I let Mike read it on Facebook about the post on Facebook you wrote about your father. I will call you tomorrow early afternoon if that's a good time? Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne perfect Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Susan Lorett-Knowlton Susan Lorett-Knowlton My heart aches for you in your loss and as Shelby's 16th birthday is on Wednesday I am trying to fight so many tears myself. I reflect back to her memorial service and how you MC'd the event. You spoke about how you admired me for how well I took care ...See More Like · Reply · 1 · 5 hrs
Amber Claiborne Engle Amber Claiborne Engle Thank you Mark for sharing your thoughts. I thought a few times how your mannerisms reminded me of Dad. He loved you very much. I know I keep saying it, and of all people, you know it, but I want you to know I saw his love for you too and it was a very proud and sweet love that he had for his son. I'll be praying for you during your surgery too. You're loved... Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs
Clinton Waddell Clinton Waddell I am so glad I had the chance to meet Byron and eat lunch with him at Virginia Mason during the transplant! You ARE very much your father's son... A real renaissance man! You will always have him inside you. As you prepare for your next step in life he...See More Like · Reply · 2 · 48 mins
Lorene Roark Lorene Roark Beautifully said. I only met your dad a few times, but my husband, Jerry Roark, sang with him back in the 60's. They reconnected a few years ago and sent Jerry a prize possession (a DVD from a recording they filmed at Point Loma). Jerry watched it many...See More Like · Reply · 8 mins
Mark has had life events that many of us will only dream about. It's sad to see someone that has had the opportunity to experience the things he has pictures of get so twisted up. I hope he gets the help he needs before anyone falls victim to the scams.
I would love to see Africa and to hunt the new Zealand mountains, but I am just content with being able to tell the truth most of the time and help others when I can. Nothing fancy about being normal, you may want to give it a shot mark.
SM has the personality disorder of a criminal. The only help for him available is jail, to prevent his predatory inclination on law abiding people. There is no cure for sociopathic personality.
I am afraid that jail would only hone his skills and inspire new ideas for cons.
Yes, the guy with the multiplex ranch home and multiple appartment units didn't have enough money to pay funeral expenses. Kinda like the disabled guy with huge expenses, who was buying/building guns and motorcycles, all while begging for money to pay bills. In my world when people are broke the toys are sold, usually too cheap.
EVERYTHING I own is for sale, except my integrity. Apparently with some NOTHING is for sale except their integrity.
Mark has had life events that many of us will only dream about. It's sad to see someone that has had the opportunity to experience the things he has pictures of get so twisted up. I hope he gets the help he needs before anyone falls victim to the scams.
I would love to see Africa and to hunt the new Zealand mountains, but I am just content with being able to tell the truth most of the time and help others when I can. Nothing fancy about being normal, you may want to give it a shot mark.
SM's life events are little different than what most of us have or will experience. Most all of us will or have experienced the death of our parents. Some of us will experience the death of a spouse ...a child ... A friend...a brother. A few on here have terrible scars of wars long past, physical and emotional. Many of us will experience diseases and cancers of one sort or another, operations requiring replacement of joints to removal of body parts, strokes, heart attacks, liver, lung, kidney failures will happen. We will all experience death.
I choose to not let any of my life experiences in this regard define my relationship with my fellow man or my God.
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre. The last thing I want this swindler to have is my phone number.
I'm not one to normally do this...but under the circumstances...
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre. The last thing I want this swindler to have is my phone number.
I'm not one to normally do this...but under the circumstances...
I asked for the perps name...was told ..."I am being told not to disclose a name, as there are two prime suspects who live at the building. The investigation is continuing." ...I replied that...."I thought you posted that a suspect had been arrested?" He replied..."One has, to the best of my knowledge. The discovery of all of this has not been my first priority on my whirlwind trip down and back. My siblings who live down there and who are the POA's and Successor trustee are keeping me out of the loop here a bit regarding the investigation to prevent me from excorsizing the kind of rebuke and revenge that I would be so likely to mete out if I knew for certain that ________________ did this deed. They are doing their best to keep ME out of prison for severely beating - likely unto death - a man who is merely a suspect until the courts find him guilty or not.
As I proccess thier dire warnings, I have decided to let the system and courts play this one out, for now."
I've met Mark a couple times....been to his dads place a few times & met some of his childhood friends...they all seemed like decent people to me...and all the deals I've done with him have been fair & square...I never read all of the notorious threads, but did read bits & pieces back when they were originally posted...that said...I'm still sitting here shaking my head in disbelief... Bizarre is a mild description of what I've learned about him in this thread...
To mention God's name in something where the ulterior motive is clearly not God's message, is the very definition of "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."
BINGO!
There have been calls for Christians to come out and make a stand. I'll do that now. Mark had me fooled for a long time then my wife and I met him when he came to our place at a get together. My wife who is spiritually sensitive spotted him right off. I listened to her and since she has a long history of being spot on accurate I shut up about Mark but I cringed every time I read where he had pulled one of his stunts. I am done with that.
He knows the right sayings and words but the Bible says we will be known by out fruit and I see his fruit being rotten and his tree as being bare.
I will go on to add there have been others on the Fire who profess Christ and then do more harm flouting their faith than a hundred real Christians could do to repair. I am embarrassed by their words and actions too.
Mark needs professional help. I doubt he will seek it or get it. I believe judgement day will be tough and I will be doing good just answering for my own deeds, I would in no way want to be in Mark's shoes.
My siblings who live down there and who are the POA's and Successor trustee are keeping me out of the loop here a bit regarding the investigation to prevent me from excorsizing the kind of rebuke and revenge that I would be so likely to mete out
Yeah, that's not why they're keeping him out of the loop.
To mention God's name in something where the ulterior motive is clearly not God's message, is the very definition of "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."
BINGO!
There have been calls for Christians to come out and make a stand. I'll do that now. Mark had me fooled for a long time then my wife and I met him when he came to our place at a get together. My wife who is spiritually sensitive spotted him right off. I listened to her and since she has a long history of being spot on accurate I shut up about Mark but I cringed every time I read where he had pulled one of his stunts. I am done with that.
He knows the right sayings and words but the Bible says we will be known by out fruit and I see his fruit being rotten and his tree as being bare.
I will go on to add there have been others on the Fire who profess Christ and then do more harm flouting their faith than a hundred real Christians could do to repair. I am embarrassed by their words and actions too.
Mark needs professional help. I doubt he will seek it or get it. I believe judgement day will be tough and I will be doing good just answering for my own deeds, I would in no way want to be in Mark's shoes.
Well said rockinbbar & Scott F. My sentiments exactly. He is using our Savior's name in vain and we must call him out on it.
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre. The last thing I want this swindler to have is my phone number.
I'm not one to normally do this...but under the circumstances...
I asked for the perps name...was told ..."I am being told not to disclose a name, as there are two prime suspects who live at the building. The investigation is continuing." ...I replied that...."I thought you posted that a suspect had been arrested?" He replied..."One has, to the best of my knowledge. The discovery of all of this has not been my first priority on my whirlwind trip down and back. My siblings who live down there and who are the POA's and Successor trustee are keeping me out of the loop here a bit regarding the investigation to prevent me from excorsizing the kind of rebuke and revenge that I would be so likely to mete out if I knew for certain that ________________ did this deed. They are doing their best to keep ME out of prison for severely beating - likely unto death - a man who is merely a suspect until the courts find him guilty or not.
As I proccess thier dire warnings, I have decided to let the system and courts play this one out, for now."
I've met Mark a couple times....been to his dads place a few times & met some of his childhood friends...they all seemed like decent people to me...and all the deals I've done with him have been fair & square...I never read all of the notorious threads, but did read bits & pieces back when they were originally posted...that said...I'm still sitting here shaking my head in disbelief... Bizarre is a mild description of what I've learned about him in this thread...
So, the family is worried that if they tell him the name he will go down to the County Corrections Facility and murder they guy while he's in custody??
But he father was murdered, and he doesn't even care by who?
I understand that people process grief differently, but the idea he's so disinterested that he doesn't care who, while at the same time carrying such murderous thought that he would break into county to get the guy just doesn't track.
Mark has had life events that many of us will only dream about. It's sad to see someone that has had the opportunity to experience the things he has pictures of get so twisted up. I hope he gets the help he needs before anyone falls victim to the scams.
I would love to see Africa and to hunt the new Zealand mountains, but I am just content with being able to tell the truth most of the time and help others when I can. Nothing fancy about being normal, you may want to give it a shot mark.
Yes, the guy with the multiplex ranch home and multiple appartment units didn't have enough money to pay funeral expenses. Kinda like the disabled guy with huge expenses, who was buying/building guns and motorcycles, all while begging for money to pay bills. In my world when people are broke the toys are sold, usually too cheap.
EVERYTHING I own is for sale, except my integrity. Apparently with some NOTHING is for sale except their integrity.
My siblings who live down there and who are the POA's and Successor trustee are keeping me out of the loop here a bit regarding the investigation to prevent me from excorsizing the kind of rebuke and revenge that I would be so likely to mete out
Yeah, that's not why they're keeping him out of the loop.
There is no loop...other than the one playing in Marks head.
I have been following the exploits of SM for years, always amazes me how easy it is for people to get sucked in. I truely think his exploits would be good for a case study on the graduate level in psychology. You can pull up the public documents if one is of such a mind, or just look on this site, as they have been linked many times.
There are several behavioral charactistics that are easy to spot.
but mostly i think of a cousin i fired about ten years ago, i grew up with him.. I won't go into the details but i think he literally has the mark of the devil on him, as he has cheated, stole, lied, hurt others all his life. On the other hand he has a really good sister that i am fond of. She said i needed to forgive him, she wanted us all together in heaven. I told her I know for a fact he has cheated you, and continues time and time again this behavior. Then he prays to God for forgiveness. And she said he is forgiven. My comment was he continues to do the same behavior how can he be forgiven, you left the part out about go forth and sin no more. I believe in personal redemption, and forgiveness of sin, but not when you continue to do the same stuff time and time again. With that, you are a fool if you allow it to continue. I saw the errant cousin at a funeral a week or so ago, he was laughing and snickering during the memorial at the v.a. ceremony at the gravesite. Some do have the mark of the devil as i like to call it. I also think they don't have certain things in them, such as compassion.
I did, and I also spoke with the lead floor nurse. He truly did have surgery, kidney surgery, she was overwhelming polite, very receptive to my questions, and quite liberal with her answers.
Gotta wonder if that nurse has heard of HIPAA. They could lose their job for that information release unless it was authorized by the patient.
To mention God's name in something where the ulterior motive is clearly not God's message, is the very definition of "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."
BINGO!
There have been calls for Christians to come out and make a stand. I'll do that now. Mark had me fooled for a long time then my wife and I met him when he came to our place at a get together. My wife who is spiritually sensitive spotted him right off. I listened to her and since she has a long history of being spot on accurate I shut up about Mark but I cringed every time I read where he had pulled one of his stunts. I am done with that.
He knows the right sayings and words but the Bible says we will be known by out fruit and I see his fruit being rotten and his tree as being bare.
I will go on to add there have been others on the Fire who profess Christ and then do more harm flouting their faith than a hundred real Christians could do to repair. I am embarrassed by their words and actions too.
Mark needs professional help. I doubt he will seek it or get it. I believe judgement day will be tough and I will be doing good just answering for my own deeds, I would in no way want to be in Mark's shoes.
Scott, thanks for that well-written post.
I don't bother to rise to the Christian or Anti-Christian bait here on the 'Fire, there's no percentage in it. Mark's alleged Christianity is nothing more than a facet of his psychopathy, a tool he has used multiple documented times to further his many agendas.
I do not condemn the man, but we were admonished by our Lord:
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?" Matthew 7:15
And the Apostles were no strangers to frauds and deceivers:
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
So let me join you in responding to the "calls for Christians to come out and make a stand." I have mistrusted Mark for years, stemming from verified complaints of his swindles perpetrated through the 24HCF Classifieds, then his gauche and vulgar posts of his semi-naked wife and public boasting about details of her sexuality, then his incessant "woe-is-me" calls for pity (and funds!) while putatively suffering the trials of end-stage renal failure and then his miraculously-obtained kidney transplant. All the while his posts here on the fire proclaimed his faith, his love of the Lord, and so forth.
A liar and fraud is a bad man. A liar and fraud who uses the name of the Lord to further his sins, and to try to camouflage himself so as to deceive more victims and avoid consequences, is in trouble with more than the laws of man.
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" Matthew 7:23
Mark has a lot more to fear than the courts of law of the United States and the approbation of his fellow 24HCF members, but apparently he is too deeply mired in his sin to recognize it.
So those who call on us to be "Christian" and forgive him, give him a pass, or whatever... GFY. Our faith does not call us to give those who willfully sin over and over again a pass.
Point of interest, my Irish Great-Grandpa was murdered, or so says family lore. Pushed off of a building under construction in Brooklyn by an Italian co-worker, that was the belief among his kin tho' there apparently weren't proof.
Had to be around 1910 or thereabouts. They put in a stone when they buried him, next time I'm up I shall have to try to find it
Happy to say I only glanced at this subject. It's not too often you get a warning about a derailment and can stay away from the train tracks. The name of the "member" was the only clue I needed.
Point of interest, my Irish Great-Grandpa was murdered, or so says family lore. Pushed off of a building under construction in Brooklyn by an Italian co-worker, that was the belief among his kin tho' there apparently weren't proof.
Had to be around 1910 or thereabouts. They put in a stone when they buried him, next time I'm up I shall have to try to find it
To mention God's name in something where the ulterior motive is clearly not God's message, is the very definition of "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."
BINGO!
There have been calls for Christians to come out and make a stand. I'll do that now. Mark had me fooled for a long time then my wife and I met him when he came to our place at a get together. My wife who is spiritually sensitive spotted him right off. I listened to her and since she has a long history of being spot on accurate I shut up about Mark but I cringed every time I read where he had pulled one of his stunts. I am done with that.
He knows the right sayings and words but the Bible says we will be known by out fruit and I see his fruit being rotten and his tree as being bare.
I will go on to add there have been others on the Fire who profess Christ and then do more harm flouting their faith than a hundred real Christians could do to repair. I am embarrassed by their words and actions too.
Mark needs professional help. I doubt he will seek it or get it. I believe judgement day will be tough and I will be doing good just answering for my own deeds, I would in no way want to be in Mark's shoes.
the funny part is scott, my wife is sensitive in that area too, yet she continues to say YOU are a nice guy, go figure?
Point of interest, my Irish Great-Grandpa was murdered, or so says family lore. Pushed off of a building under construction in Brooklyn by an Italian co-worker, that was the belief among his kin tho' there apparently weren't proof.
Had to be around 1910 or thereabouts. They put in a stone when they buried him, next time I'm up I shall have to try to find it
Thanks Doc. The part that hurts me most is where he fits the mould so well of the kind of christian (note no "C") that makes up an accurate stereotype that makes non Christins want nothing to do with us. Looking at Mark's actions I cannot blame them.
... "Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies..."
Mark Claiborne with Byron Claiborne and 6 others. 6 hrs ·
Well, maybe I have been waiting for the tears to subside. That was a bad idea if the case. I really don't know what to do here, how to react, I have never been in this place in life before.
A facebook posting cannot do 1/1000th of the job that should be done to tell anyone of how I feel or what I have experienced or how much Byron Claiborne meant to me. My father, my DAD.... or what I am feeling and going through right now.
I have had the distractions the past couple of days of having to travel (yeah, I broke down and embarrased myself on the airplanes) of needing to do vehicle maintenence on my truck to get ready for my trip tomorrow to Seattle for my own surgery, and even watched a good part of a football game today while my truck was being worked on. I took a few family members to a gun show in Roseville on Saturday. That is one of the ways I have somehow learned to cope with pain and discomfort, to bury it at least for a while in distractions or fun. Now, In a few hours I must leave and be focused on getting through my Nephrectomy (original kidneys removed) and that will perhaps occupy my mind enough that it will help me cope with what I am dealing with but that, too, will be short term.
But very short term it is and must be. Because from now on, every day in the future, just as every day in the past I will see and hear my father whenever I look in the mirror. Or laugh, or tell a joke, or sing. But now, the feeling and remembering will be far, far different. I will no longer or ever again be 'a chip off the old block' or 'the nut that didn't fall far from the tree' and to be VERY sure, I am very much my fathers son in oh so many ways. But now I guess that I and my siblings ARE our own blocks or tree's or nuts or whatever. Sobering, this.
Just on Friday evening, the day that my dad was birthed into eternity with Jesus, while at his home and tearfully recalling.... I heard myself laugh and was taken aback ever so jarringly when I realized that I sounded EXACTLY like my father at that very moment. So much so that if he had stepped out from behind a car or whatever it would have seemed so normal. Except, that it wasn't.
So, for a facebook post what can I do or say? Here is what I have come up with so far. And I am possibly writing this for my own healing and benefit as much as for anyone else's benefit but I do hope this brings some joy and peace to whomever reads it.
We have all, ALL of us, fallen short of the Glory of God. Of perfection here on this rock we are stuck to. We all have warts, and failures that we wish were not so. This is as true of me as it is of any man. And me very possibly more so than most. Does it seem to anyone else a little odd that sometimes those who capture the highest highs of life and even ministry are also often capable and culpable in the lowest of the lows? That the best, can at times or in areas be also the worst? Abraham and Paul and David and a few others come to my mind now and they, this truth, give me comfort and add weight to the idea of grace!
OK, so what do we do with this? The personal failures of we ourselves and the places where people who we love and look up to have failed to meet our lofty expectations? Fallen from some pedestal that at least I should never have been on? I am seriously beating myself up here for even going down this path, maybe I should not. If I hurt or offend someone please forgive me. But just as is the case with David the murdering, lying adulterer and is the case in my life and as is true all of humankind our major league big time failures and screw ups are well chronicled and undeniable. The same is true of my awesome, loving father. I know of some of the pain he went through, but only some. I bear in myself some of his struggles. Whether it is from his DNA or something else I do not care to address at this time. I only know that it is real and is a God sized fight if there ever was one. The only one other than he himself who really knew what my fathers pain and battle was and was like is God himself. And so it is to this truly JUST and all knowing God that I commit my dad and myself to. But I must say here, and now, how very thankful I am that God describe's himself and his BASIC COMPONENT or feature or attribute is LOVE!
To try to put this to some perspective that is helpful, if I dare. As much as I love my children - and this is a TON - no, it cannot even be measured - GOD loves me, and loved my father, EVEN MORE! My children can and could do NOTHING, ever, to not be welcome by me, loved by me, cared for by me, forgiven by me , cherished by me, not anything, not ever. Period, the end. And they can for CERTAIN never do anything that would make their DNA and bloodlines other than their mothers and mine alone! And now to think, as clearly as I ever would care to think, that GOD has chosen to impart to my father and to me others HIS OWN spiritual DNA and bloodline! And that he, somehow, loves US... loves ME, loved and still loves my DAD even more than I love my own children? If this is true, and I know that it is, I have no worries about my dad right now. And GRACE..... Don't get me started..... smile emoticon ( I am pretty sure there is a book about that one). Hallelujiah! and I mean this to the utmost of my being.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come! Until like my dad finally got to see this past Friday the ultimate win. As my father often said. "watch me grow!"
But more than that. MUCH more than that. God did not put all of these men of faith with their warts and sins up there for us to all see just so that we would be discouraged and without hope or a battle cry of our own. No, not at all. They, like Byron Claiborne of my lineage and bloodline and proud heritage gave and give to us all our own wonderful and good things to not just emulate, but to also become even BETTER at or with. Lord Jesus may the GOOD things of our heritage be expanded and expounded upon! My dad was proud that as successful as he was at insurance sales, I was far more so the big time producer. I am proud that as well as I did in my business years, my son is doing all the better! And my Daughters are business owners and successfull in their endeavors as well! What joy this gives me. Byron Jr. (BJ) Amber, my sister Debbie who became an RN as a mother of two young sons still at home in her 30's, we have all seen much success as this world would normally define it. That is a part of our heritage from my dad, and I am thankful for that and duly proud of it as well. No reason (like false modesty or some stupid poor is better mindset) to not be proud. Then there is the singing and performing. Tabitha has really turned that one into an art form as well as any of us have done. All of us can sing, be on stage, give Glory to God with our voices and energy. But THIS is not the most important part of our heritage, not at all.
The heritage, and we all have a slightly different part of that as Byron Claiborne was a man as diverse as he was gifted, is the good and oftimes VERY good things that we saw of him and should now emulate. THIS DIATRIBE, and any that follow including at his memorial service will NOT be my 'memorial' to this most amazing man. LET THE GOOD THINGS OF HIS LIFE, THAT I NOW CARRY WITH ME, BE MY MEMORIAL!
Siblings and children of mine, feel free to ad to these as you experienced them or value them here perhaps (I would so love to see them) but to close this out before my swollen eyes shut completely and I run completely out of tears for the night, I thought that I would list a few things of my dads that I value greatly. Far from a complete list, and AGAIN I would REALLY love to hear from some others of his decendants what they will now value and build even more into their life from Byron Claiborne. But here are a few that I have chosen and now plan and hope to build upon even more:
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge.
LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
Making family and time for them and with them THE priority ( I am so glad for all of the time I spent with my dad right now!) Remember the Christmas parties and trips and reunions! We must keep this heritage and fullness of family going and alive.
Southern Gospel Music, of course
Doing whatever it is that is set before me, BIG and then do it again, bigger still!
Change the world around me. Be the game and world changer
Take this amazing gift that God has given us called life, and LIVE it! Not timidly or fearfully or half way. LIVE!
My siblings and I exchanged over the last weekend some of our favorite life sayings of my / our father. I will express many of them, I think, with this one scripture that I think fits dad pretty well and the way he lived his life. Of course it is not the only one, and I am not to say it is the best one. But it strikes me today as hitting the mark pretty well:
"whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with ALL THY MIGHT! As unto the LORD!" (emphasis and punctuation mine and added, of course)
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Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila What time is your surgery tomorrow in Seattle, I would like to be in prayer during that time; to uplift you my brother. Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Maryann Leslie Maryann Leslie Thank you for sharing this gut wrenching process Mark Claiborne so transparently...one that anyone would pray they never have to experience. Doing this in "real time" is part of the healthy process of grieving. It will come in waves...I will keep you in my prayers, as we have through your surgeries Mark. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne My surgery is on Tuesday morning at 8AM. Thank you my brother. Lets chat by phone tomorrow. And I have not yet told my freind and your Mike about this terrible event. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila I let Mike read it on Facebook about the post on Facebook you wrote about your father. I will call you tomorrow early afternoon if that's a good time? Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne perfect Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Susan Lorett-Knowlton Susan Lorett-Knowlton My heart aches for you in your loss and as Shelby's 16th birthday is on Wednesday I am trying to fight so many tears myself. I reflect back to her memorial service and how you MC'd the event. You spoke about how you admired me for how well I took care ...See More Like · Reply · 1 · 5 hrs
Amber Claiborne Engle Amber Claiborne Engle Thank you Mark for sharing your thoughts. I thought a few times how your mannerisms reminded me of Dad. He loved you very much. I know I keep saying it, and of all people, you know it, but I want you to know I saw his love for you too and it was a very proud and sweet love that he had for his son. I'll be praying for you during your surgery too. You're loved... Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs
Clinton Waddell Clinton Waddell I am so glad I had the chance to meet Byron and eat lunch with him at Virginia Mason during the transplant! You ARE very much your father's son... A real renaissance man! You will always have him inside you. As you prepare for your next step in life he...See More Like · Reply · 2 · 48 mins
Lorene Roark Lorene Roark Beautifully said. I only met your dad a few times, but my husband, Jerry Roark, sang with him back in the 60's. They reconnected a few years ago and sent Jerry a prize possession (a DVD from a recording they filmed at Point Loma). Jerry watched it many...See More Like · Reply · 8 mins
IMPOSSIBLE to make this stuff up, impossible.
As I drank my first cup of coffee and caught up with this epic thread, I couldn't decide if I was sleeping or really reading this crap. Simply AMAZING.
I wish someone with time on their hands would reconstruct the timeline of this story by SM in chronological order. At one point he took to Facebook to express his desire to be with his dying father, but had reservations about flying due to the germs because of an upcoming "major" surgery, but then he's down there in CA at a gun show. When did the "murder" happen again? When did he fly down there and back? I'm getting information overload here because the details are coming in bits & pieces and are from all different times.
Well, I am not sure whether he was saying his Grandfather was a black fella...or that his Grandfather had most of his pizzle up inside him like a horse.
"What kind of person would continue to keep on about old crap, proving to all, once and for all, that they have no life of their own?
You have obviously formed an opinion of me without knowing me or having any dealings with me, personally. But I DO have, and have documented here in many photo posts, loads of hunting, riflery and shooting experience.
Happy to share my experience with those who wish to hear it. If you don't, that is obviously just fine. Simply put me on ignore and go your own way, or don't read or reply to my stuff.
Just being a part of the conversations here, like I have been doing for 10 years and almost 30,000 posts. I am not going away any time soon.
FWIW, I have no fight with you and do not prefer to have one.
... "Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies..."
A true Christian...
Perhaps this tells of his struggle while looking in the mirror. His greed and will to live out-weigh any trace guilt that's blocked by a psychopathic disorder.
To be, or not to be...........ahh fug it, who am I kidding? Life is all about me!
JS, that depends. If it's part of a pattern of an ongoing scam, I would argue he has an obligation to share.
This helps confirm what many have suspected, that SM continues to work the angles behind the scenes via PM, and that he's reading this thread and not providing any additional clarification for the general audience, while trying to work folks.
Point of interest, my Irish Great-Grandpa was murdered, or so says family lore. Pushed off of a building under construction in Brooklyn by an Italian co-worker, that was the belief among his kin tho' there apparently weren't proof.
A few weeks ago, I got up in the middle of the night to stoke the wood stove...I didn't realize my equilibrium was messed up till the second time I did a nosedive, then I figured it best to finish up on my hands & knees...it stayed screwed up for a few days & I continued to try going about my business as usual... Marks dad likely had a similar event & possibly fell more than once...I do remember putting my hands out in front of me when I fell...I didn't mess them up but could have very easily, which would account for his dads hands being "messed up"...I did knock some schitt over while loading the stove & had I hit my head hard I could have easily ended up in the same condition as his dad...anybody finding me likely would have assumed there had been a struggle...
Thanks Doc. The part that hurts me most is where he fits the mould so well of the kind of christian (note no "C") that makes up an accurate stereotype that makes non Christins want nothing to do with us. Looking at Mark's actions I cannot blame them.
Yeah.
Kind of a coincidence, but a former pastor of mine died last week. Guy had a tremendous evangelical ministry at one time, and was loved by many. Loved a little too well by some, as it turned out.
Turned out he was fugging a good number of the married women in our church on a regular basis under the guise of "spiritual counseling", in his office. Apparently they were really messed up gals, they needed a LOT of counseling sessions... And just between you and me, these were mostly gals I wouldn't do with Flave's dick.
Anyways, ol' Pastor Rob finally had to give up "the ministry", went into construction, and got into trouble for screwing people over on projects he was contractor for. And so on. And so on.
One of my best friends stayed friends with him right up to the end. Felt he was called to do so. Me, I felt I was called to put a claw hammer in his skull next time I saw him, neither of which ever happened. If he'd have been on fire, etc...
The damage these people do to the Bride of Christ is horrifying. It's not my job to do fix them, but if they cross paths with me or mine, I'll be sure to give them what they are owed.
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre.
Seriously???! That's F'ed up on several levels...
So he was there and took pictures with his cell phone? The LEO's sure as hell didn't provide him with photo's.... Or pics of his old man in the hospital bed?
Either way, still sick and twisted.
Mark is SO full of scheit it's beyond the pale. He needs some serious psychological help.
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre.
Seriously???! That's F'ed up on several levels...
So he was there and took pictures with his cell phone? The LEO's sure as hell didn't provide him with photo's....
Mark is SO full of scheit it's beyond the pale. He needs some serious psychological help.
So, SH was on an airplane at 11:00, but had pictures of dad post attack before he passed at the hospital at 12:09?
Mark Claiborne with Byron Claiborne and 6 others. 6 hrs ·
Well, maybe I have been waiting for the tears to subside. That was a bad idea if the case. I really don't know what to do here, how to react, I have never been in this place in life before.
A facebook posting cannot do 1/1000th of the job that should be done to tell anyone of how I feel or what I have experienced or how much Byron Claiborne meant to me. My father, my DAD.... or what I am feeling and going through right now.
I have had the distractions the past couple of days of having to travel (yeah, I broke down and embarrased myself on the airplanes) of needing to do vehicle maintenence on my truck to get ready for my trip tomorrow to Seattle for my own surgery, and even watched a good part of a football game today while my truck was being worked on. I took a few family members to a gun show in Roseville on Saturday. That is one of the ways I have somehow learned to cope with pain and discomfort, to bury it at least for a while in distractions or fun. Now, In a few hours I must leave and be focused on getting through my Nephrectomy (original kidneys removed) and that will perhaps occupy my mind enough that it will help me cope with what I am dealing with but that, too, will be short term.
But very short term it is and must be. Because from now on, every day in the future, just as every day in the past I will see and hear my father whenever I look in the mirror. Or laugh, or tell a joke, or sing. But now, the feeling and remembering will be far, far different. I will no longer or ever again be 'a chip off the old block' or 'the nut that didn't fall far from the tree' and to be VERY sure, I am very much my fathers son in oh so many ways. But now I guess that I and my siblings ARE our own blocks or tree's or nuts or whatever. Sobering, this.
Just on Friday evening, the day that my dad was birthed into eternity with Jesus, while at his home and tearfully recalling.... I heard myself laugh and was taken aback ever so jarringly when I realized that I sounded EXACTLY like my father at that very moment. So much so that if he had stepped out from behind a car or whatever it would have seemed so normal. Except, that it wasn't.
So, for a facebook post what can I do or say? Here is what I have come up with so far. And I am possibly writing this for my own healing and benefit as much as for anyone else's benefit but I do hope this brings some joy and peace to whomever reads it.
We have all, ALL of us, fallen short of the Glory of God. Of perfection here on this rock we are stuck to. We all have warts, and failures that we wish were not so. This is as true of me as it is of any man. And me very possibly more so than most. Does it seem to anyone else a little odd that sometimes those who capture the highest highs of life and even ministry are also often capable and culpable in the lowest of the lows? That the best, can at times or in areas be also the worst? Abraham and Paul and David and a few others come to my mind now and they, this truth, give me comfort and add weight to the idea of grace!
OK, so what do we do with this? The personal failures of we ourselves and the places where people who we love and look up to have failed to meet our lofty expectations? Fallen from some pedestal that at least I should never have been on? I am seriously beating myself up here for even going down this path, maybe I should not. If I hurt or offend someone please forgive me. But just as is the case with David the murdering, lying adulterer and is the case in my life and as is true all of humankind our major league big time failures and screw ups are well chronicled and undeniable. The same is true of my awesome, loving father. I know of some of the pain he went through, but only some. I bear in myself some of his struggles. Whether it is from his DNA or something else I do not care to address at this time. I only know that it is real and is a God sized fight if there ever was one. The only one other than he himself who really knew what my fathers pain and battle was and was like is God himself. And so it is to this truly JUST and all knowing God that I commit my dad and myself to. But I must say here, and now, how very thankful I am that God describe's himself and his BASIC COMPONENT or feature or attribute is LOVE!
To try to put this to some perspective that is helpful, if I dare. As much as I love my children - and this is a TON - no, it cannot even be measured - GOD loves me, and loved my father, EVEN MORE! My children can and could do NOTHING, ever, to not be welcome by me, loved by me, cared for by me, forgiven by me , cherished by me, not anything, not ever. Period, the end. And they can for CERTAIN never do anything that would make their DNA and bloodlines other than their mothers and mine alone! And now to think, as clearly as I ever would care to think, that GOD has chosen to impart to my father and to me others HIS OWN spiritual DNA and bloodline! And that he, somehow, loves US... loves ME, loved and still loves my DAD even more than I love my own children? If this is true, and I know that it is, I have no worries about my dad right now. And GRACE..... Don't get me started..... smile emoticon ( I am pretty sure there is a book about that one). Hallelujiah! and I mean this to the utmost of my being.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come! Until like my dad finally got to see this past Friday the ultimate win. As my father often said. "watch me grow!"
But more than that. MUCH more than that. God did not put all of these men of faith with their warts and sins up there for us to all see just so that we would be discouraged and without hope or a battle cry of our own. No, not at all. They, like Byron Claiborne of my lineage and bloodline and proud heritage gave and give to us all our own wonderful and good things to not just emulate, but to also become even BETTER at or with. Lord Jesus may the GOOD things of our heritage be expanded and expounded upon! My dad was proud that as successful as he was at insurance sales, I was far more so the big time producer. I am proud that as well as I did in my business years, my son is doing all the better! And my Daughters are business owners and successfull in their endeavors as well! What joy this gives me. Byron Jr. (BJ) Amber, my sister Debbie who became an RN as a mother of two young sons still at home in her 30's, we have all seen much success as this world would normally define it. That is a part of our heritage from my dad, and I am thankful for that and duly proud of it as well. No reason (like false modesty or some stupid poor is better mindset) to not be proud. Then there is the singing and performing. Tabitha has really turned that one into an art form as well as any of us have done. All of us can sing, be on stage, give Glory to God with our voices and energy. But THIS is not the most important part of our heritage, not at all.
The heritage, and we all have a slightly different part of that as Byron Claiborne was a man as diverse as he was gifted, is the good and oftimes VERY good things that we saw of him and should now emulate. THIS DIATRIBE, and any that follow including at his memorial service will NOT be my 'memorial' to this most amazing man. LET THE GOOD THINGS OF HIS LIFE, THAT I NOW CARRY WITH ME, BE MY MEMORIAL!
Siblings and children of mine, feel free to ad to these as you experienced them or value them here perhaps (I would so love to see them) but to close this out before my swollen eyes shut completely and I run completely out of tears for the night, I thought that I would list a few things of my dads that I value greatly. Far from a complete list, and AGAIN I would REALLY love to hear from some others of his decendants what they will now value and build even more into their life from Byron Claiborne. But here are a few that I have chosen and now plan and hope to build upon even more:
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge.
LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
Making family and time for them and with them THE priority ( I am so glad for all of the time I spent with my dad right now!) Remember the Christmas parties and trips and reunions! We must keep this heritage and fullness of family going and alive.
Southern Gospel Music, of course
Doing whatever it is that is set before me, BIG and then do it again, bigger still!
Change the world around me. Be the game and world changer
Take this amazing gift that God has given us called life, and LIVE it! Not timidly or fearfully or half way. LIVE!
My siblings and I exchanged over the last weekend some of our favorite life sayings of my / our father. I will express many of them, I think, with this one scripture that I think fits dad pretty well and the way he lived his life. Of course it is not the only one, and I am not to say it is the best one. But it strikes me today as hitting the mark pretty well:
"whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with ALL THY MIGHT! As unto the LORD!" (emphasis and punctuation mine and added, of course)
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Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila What time is your surgery tomorrow in Seattle, I would like to be in prayer during that time; to uplift you my brother. Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Maryann Leslie Maryann Leslie Thank you for sharing this gut wrenching process Mark Claiborne so transparently...one that anyone would pray they never have to experience. Doing this in "real time" is part of the healthy process of grieving. It will come in waves...I will keep you in my prayers, as we have through your surgeries Mark. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne My surgery is on Tuesday morning at 8AM. Thank you my brother. Lets chat by phone tomorrow. And I have not yet told my freind and your Mike about this terrible event. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila I let Mike read it on Facebook about the post on Facebook you wrote about your father. I will call you tomorrow early afternoon if that's a good time? Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne perfect Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Susan Lorett-Knowlton Susan Lorett-Knowlton My heart aches for you in your loss and as Shelby's 16th birthday is on Wednesday I am trying to fight so many tears myself. I reflect back to her memorial service and how you MC'd the event. You spoke about how you admired me for how well I took care ...See More Like · Reply · 1 · 5 hrs
Amber Claiborne Engle Amber Claiborne Engle Thank you Mark for sharing your thoughts. I thought a few times how your mannerisms reminded me of Dad. He loved you very much. I know I keep saying it, and of all people, you know it, but I want you to know I saw his love for you too and it was a very proud and sweet love that he had for his son. I'll be praying for you during your surgery too. You're loved... Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs
Clinton Waddell Clinton Waddell I am so glad I had the chance to meet Byron and eat lunch with him at Virginia Mason during the transplant! You ARE very much your father's son... A real renaissance man! You will always have him inside you. As you prepare for your next step in life he...See More Like · Reply · 2 · 48 mins
Lorene Roark Lorene Roark Beautifully said. I only met your dad a few times, but my husband, Jerry Roark, sang with him back in the 60's. They reconnected a few years ago and sent Jerry a prize possession (a DVD from a recording they filmed at Point Loma). Jerry watched it many...See More Like · Reply · 8 mins
Well, I am not sure whether he was saying his Grandfather was a black fella...or that his Grandfather had most of his pizzle up inside him like a horse.
I find you Yankees really strange at times.
Don't worry about it. I find us Yankees strainge most of the time.
Mark Claiborne with Byron Claiborne and 6 others. 6 hrs ·
Well, maybe I have been waiting for the tears to subside. That was a bad idea if the case. I really don't know what to do here, how to react, I have never been in this place in life before.
A facebook posting cannot do 1/1000th of the job that should be done to tell anyone of how I feel or what I have experienced or how much Byron Claiborne meant to me. My father, my DAD.... or what I am feeling and going through right now.
I have had the distractions the past couple of days of having to travel (yeah, I broke down and embarrased myself on the airplanes) of needing to do vehicle maintenence on my truck to get ready for my trip tomorrow to Seattle for my own surgery, and even watched a good part of a football game today while my truck was being worked on. I took a few family members to a gun show in Roseville on Saturday. That is one of the ways I have somehow learned to cope with pain and discomfort, to bury it at least for a while in distractions or fun. Now, In a few hours I must leave and be focused on getting through my Nephrectomy (original kidneys removed) and that will perhaps occupy my mind enough that it will help me cope with what I am dealing with but that, too, will be short term.
But very short term it is and must be. Because from now on, every day in the future, just as every day in the past I will see and hear my father whenever I look in the mirror. Or laugh, or tell a joke, or sing. But now, the feeling and remembering will be far, far different. I will no longer or ever again be 'a chip off the old block' or 'the nut that didn't fall far from the tree' and to be VERY sure, I am very much my fathers son in oh so many ways. But now I guess that I and my siblings ARE our own blocks or tree's or nuts or whatever. Sobering, this.
Just on Friday evening, the day that my dad was birthed into eternity with Jesus, while at his home and tearfully recalling.... I heard myself laugh and was taken aback ever so jarringly when I realized that I sounded EXACTLY like my father at that very moment. So much so that if he had stepped out from behind a car or whatever it would have seemed so normal. Except, that it wasn't.
So, for a facebook post what can I do or say? Here is what I have come up with so far. And I am possibly writing this for my own healing and benefit as much as for anyone else's benefit but I do hope this brings some joy and peace to whomever reads it.
We have all, ALL of us, fallen short of the Glory of God. Of perfection here on this rock we are stuck to. We all have warts, and failures that we wish were not so. This is as true of me as it is of any man. And me very possibly more so than most. Does it seem to anyone else a little odd that sometimes those who capture the highest highs of life and even ministry are also often capable and culpable in the lowest of the lows? That the best, can at times or in areas be also the worst? Abraham and Paul and David and a few others come to my mind now and they, this truth, give me comfort and add weight to the idea of grace!
OK, so what do we do with this? The personal failures of we ourselves and the places where people who we love and look up to have failed to meet our lofty expectations? Fallen from some pedestal that at least I should never have been on? I am seriously beating myself up here for even going down this path, maybe I should not. If I hurt or offend someone please forgive me. But just as is the case with David the murdering, lying adulterer and is the case in my life and as is true all of humankind our major league big time failures and screw ups are well chronicled and undeniable. The same is true of my awesome, loving father. I know of some of the pain he went through, but only some. I bear in myself some of his struggles. Whether it is from his DNA or something else I do not care to address at this time. I only know that it is real and is a God sized fight if there ever was one. The only one other than he himself who really knew what my fathers pain and battle was and was like is God himself. And so it is to this truly JUST and all knowing God that I commit my dad and myself to. But I must say here, and now, how very thankful I am that God describe's himself and his BASIC COMPONENT or feature or attribute is LOVE!
To try to put this to some perspective that is helpful, if I dare. As much as I love my children - and this is a TON - no, it cannot even be measured - GOD loves me, and loved my father, EVEN MORE! My children can and could do NOTHING, ever, to not be welcome by me, loved by me, cared for by me, forgiven by me , cherished by me, not anything, not ever. Period, the end. And they can for CERTAIN never do anything that would make their DNA and bloodlines other than their mothers and mine alone! And now to think, as clearly as I ever would care to think, that GOD has chosen to impart to my father and to me others HIS OWN spiritual DNA and bloodline! And that he, somehow, loves US... loves ME, loved and still loves my DAD even more than I love my own children? If this is true, and I know that it is, I have no worries about my dad right now. And GRACE..... Don't get me started..... smile emoticon ( I am pretty sure there is a book about that one). Hallelujiah! and I mean this to the utmost of my being.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come! Until like my dad finally got to see this past Friday the ultimate win. As my father often said. "watch me grow!"
But more than that. MUCH more than that. God did not put all of these men of faith with their warts and sins up there for us to all see just so that we would be discouraged and without hope or a battle cry of our own. No, not at all. They, like Byron Claiborne of my lineage and bloodline and proud heritage gave and give to us all our own wonderful and good things to not just emulate, but to also become even BETTER at or with. Lord Jesus may the GOOD things of our heritage be expanded and expounded upon! My dad was proud that as successful as he was at insurance sales, I was far more so the big time producer. I am proud that as well as I did in my business years, my son is doing all the better! And my Daughters are business owners and successfull in their endeavors as well! What joy this gives me. Byron Jr. (BJ) Amber, my sister Debbie who became an RN as a mother of two young sons still at home in her 30's, we have all seen much success as this world would normally define it. That is a part of our heritage from my dad, and I am thankful for that and duly proud of it as well. No reason (like false modesty or some stupid poor is better mindset) to not be proud. Then there is the singing and performing. Tabitha has really turned that one into an art form as well as any of us have done. All of us can sing, be on stage, give Glory to God with our voices and energy. But THIS is not the most important part of our heritage, not at all.
The heritage, and we all have a slightly different part of that as Byron Claiborne was a man as diverse as he was gifted, is the good and oftimes VERY good things that we saw of him and should now emulate. THIS DIATRIBE, and any that follow including at his memorial service will NOT be my 'memorial' to this most amazing man. LET THE GOOD THINGS OF HIS LIFE, THAT I NOW CARRY WITH ME, BE MY MEMORIAL!
Siblings and children of mine, feel free to ad to these as you experienced them or value them here perhaps (I would so love to see them) but to close this out before my swollen eyes shut completely and I run completely out of tears for the night, I thought that I would list a few things of my dads that I value greatly. Far from a complete list, and AGAIN I would REALLY love to hear from some others of his decendants what they will now value and build even more into their life from Byron Claiborne. But here are a few that I have chosen and now plan and hope to build upon even more:
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge.
LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
Making family and time for them and with them THE priority ( I am so glad for all of the time I spent with my dad right now!) Remember the Christmas parties and trips and reunions! We must keep this heritage and fullness of family going and alive.
Southern Gospel Music, of course
Doing whatever it is that is set before me, BIG and then do it again, bigger still!
Change the world around me. Be the game and world changer
Take this amazing gift that God has given us called life, and LIVE it! Not timidly or fearfully or half way. LIVE!
My siblings and I exchanged over the last weekend some of our favorite life sayings of my / our father. I will express many of them, I think, with this one scripture that I think fits dad pretty well and the way he lived his life. Of course it is not the only one, and I am not to say it is the best one. But it strikes me today as hitting the mark pretty well:
"whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with ALL THY MIGHT! As unto the LORD!" (emphasis and punctuation mine and added, of course)
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Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila What time is your surgery tomorrow in Seattle, I would like to be in prayer during that time; to uplift you my brother. Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Maryann Leslie Maryann Leslie Thank you for sharing this gut wrenching process Mark Claiborne so transparently...one that anyone would pray they never have to experience. Doing this in "real time" is part of the healthy process of grieving. It will come in waves...I will keep you in my prayers, as we have through your surgeries Mark. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne My surgery is on Tuesday morning at 8AM. Thank you my brother. Lets chat by phone tomorrow. And I have not yet told my freind and your Mike about this terrible event. Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Solomon T. Avila Solomon T. Avila I let Mike read it on Facebook about the post on Facebook you wrote about your father. I will call you tomorrow early afternoon if that's a good time? Like · Reply · 6 hrs
Mark Claiborne Mark Claiborne perfect Like · Reply · 1 · 6 hrs
Susan Lorett-Knowlton Susan Lorett-Knowlton My heart aches for you in your loss and as Shelby's 16th birthday is on Wednesday I am trying to fight so many tears myself. I reflect back to her memorial service and how you MC'd the event. You spoke about how you admired me for how well I took care ...See More Like · Reply · 1 · 5 hrs
Amber Claiborne Engle Amber Claiborne Engle Thank you Mark for sharing your thoughts. I thought a few times how your mannerisms reminded me of Dad. He loved you very much. I know I keep saying it, and of all people, you know it, but I want you to know I saw his love for you too and it was a very proud and sweet love that he had for his son. I'll be praying for you during your surgery too. You're loved... Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs
Clinton Waddell Clinton Waddell I am so glad I had the chance to meet Byron and eat lunch with him at Virginia Mason during the transplant! You ARE very much your father's son... A real renaissance man! You will always have him inside you. As you prepare for your next step in life he...See More Like · Reply · 2 · 48 mins
Lorene Roark Lorene Roark Beautifully said. I only met your dad a few times, but my husband, Jerry Roark, sang with him back in the 60's. They reconnected a few years ago and sent Jerry a prize possession (a DVD from a recording they filmed at Point Loma). Jerry watched it many...See More Like · Reply · 8 mins
IMPOSSIBLE to make this stuff up, impossible.
They're not even new lies!
That's the M.O.
Compound the multiple crisis happening at once, and throw in a bit of financial difficulty.
That greatly increases the chances of sympathy and donations.
Would a copy & paste' of safarimans post here be appropriate on his facebook post? I guess he couldn't bring himself to tell those folks what REALLY happened.
Would a copy & paste' of safarimans post here be appropriate on his facebook post? I guess he couldn't bring himself to tell those folks what REALLY happened.
I don't think he runs his own facebook account.
He uses his wife's.
This prevents guys with a hint of chivalry from blowing it to hell and back.
prevent me from excorsizing the kind of rebuke and revenge that I would be so likely to mete out if I knew for certain that ________________ did this deed
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beating - likely unto death - a man who is merely a suspect until the courts find him guilty or not.
wait...what?
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I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies.
I got nothing.
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They are doing their best to keep ME out of prison
Went back and did some more reading. The post that was on the (his?) church's Facebook page that had information on "the attack", was posted around 09:00 of Thursday. So "the attack" apparently happened overnight, the 16th/17th.
If I remember correctly, by that afternoon, he was "on his way" down to see him then, after apparently resolving the dilemma of whether or not to go.
From another Facebook post of Mark's, his father "went home" Friday evening. And from his first post here, and other Facebook posts by Mark, he died Saturday at noonish.
I think I have the story right, for now, until it changes.
However, there is one extreme type of liar that you should beware of; the Sociopathic Liar.
On first impressions, you may find you actually like or are drawn to the sociopath. It’s not surprising as more often than not they are indeed charming and likable. Watch out, these type of liars can cause untold damage and mayhem once they lead you into their web of lies and deceit.
Sociopaths lie the most because they are incapable of feelings and do not want to understand the impact of their lies. They may even get a thrill out of lying at your expense. Once they tell an initial lie they go on to tell many more lies in an attempt to cover up the lies they started, or just for the “fun” of it.
A sociopath rarely reveals his or her feelings or emotions. You won’t often hear them laugh, cry, or get angry. These kinds of liars tend to live in their own little world and always find ways to justify their dishonest deeds. They do not respect others and place their own needs first and foremost.
If someone questions the sociopath’s lies they can be incredibly devious in the way they cover things up. This can include placing the blame at someone else’s door or by inventing complex stories to cover up their untruths.
Sociopaths can be so good at lying that they are able to pass lie detector tests. This means they often escape jail or don’t even get prosecuted for the crimes they permit. (That’s not to say all sociopathic liars are criminals, of course).
Billary Clinton and Obongo come to mind as sociopathic liars.
Would a copy & paste' of safarimans post here be appropriate on his facebook post? I guess he couldn't bring himself to tell those folks what REALLY happened.
I don't think he runs his own facebook account.
He uses his wife's.
This prevents guys with a hint of chivalry from blowing it to hell and back.
He's also having surgery tomorrow, where does one contribute?
Prayers and condolences to you and your family. What a terrible loss. So sad.
PT Barnum snags another one!
I wonder how many of these rubes have PM'ed SM offering help....and money....during his time of need?
he might need some help in setting up a paypal account for donations????? anyone up to speed on dat type of chit and can give safariman a hand he is probably pretty scatter brained with all of this happening and might need some help after all
show some random acts of kindness you all are so harsh and judgmental
all I know is im gonna keep my eyes open on the classifieds for some cheap remingdog 700,s in .270
I need some tomater stakes for the garden this spring
Byron was a despicable pervert whose sins caught up with him. Mark is a despicable sack of garbage whose sins NEED to catch up with him. No tears here.
All references to an assault were left out of his fb rant
Would seem to me if he were so white hot about the. Suspected killer he would have vented about that on his FB as well
Two different flocks of pigeons he's trying to take, based upon FB or here.
That FB ... post... Yeah, how many times do you think he's done the "oh, I'm a poor sinner and THIS TIME I really mean it that I'm going to change" in order to scam folks over and over again?
how many times do you think he's done the "oh, I'm a poor sinner and THIS TIME I really mean it that I'm going to change" in order to scam folks over and over again?
Is this rhetorical, because I left my calculator at the office..
Hint.....there was no crime....there was no murder.
ETA: There is also no record of anybody being booked into the county jail on assault or murder charges in connection with his death...
There is no Byron Claiborne resting at any funeral home in Roseville or Auburn, California.
Remind me to never piss you off... Which leads to this question to everyone why would one lie about this knowing people can pretty much fact check this stuff like Miss Lynn did.. I guess if you catch a few guilables and get them to "donate" some money and if you make $500 bucks it's a win win I guess for Claiborne
Re: The Safariman Experience [Re: grapeape] #7675297 - 04/21/13
Pompous dipschidts like Yalie show up on the Campfire now and then. But instead of being run off by some censor, they run themselves off, due to good people watching out for other good people--like Mark, one of the most honest and selfless people on here.
I'll be watching Yalie's posts from now on--if he ever dares make one again--to make sure everybody knows what kind of human he really is. _________________________ John
"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015
Point of interest, my Irish Great-Grandpa was murdered, or so says family lore. Pushed off of a building under construction in Brooklyn by an Italian co-worker, that was the belief among his kin tho' there apparently weren't proof.
A few weeks ago, I got up in the middle of the night to stoke the wood stove...I didn't realize my equilibrium was messed up till the second time I did a nosedive, then I figured it best to finish up on my hands & knees...it stayed screwed up for a few days & I continued to try going about my business as usual... Marks dad likely had a similar event & possibly fell more than once...I do remember putting my hands out in front of me when I fell...I didn't mess them up but could have very easily, which would account for his dads hands being "messed up"...I did knock some schitt over while loading the stove & had I hit my head hard I could have easily ended up in the same condition as his dad...anybody finding me likely would have assumed there had been a struggle...
The family is retaining Gerry Spence, so we're waiting for him to conduct an independent investigation and release a statement before passing judgement about any murder. Also keeping a close eye on Facebook and waiting for Jayco and Curdog to weigh in.
The family is retaining Gerry Spence, so we're waiting for him to conduct an independent investigation and release a statement before passing judgement about any murder. Also keeping a close eye on Facebook and waiting for Jayco and Curdog to weigh in.
Just wondering? Is suspected foul play considered an "accident" for double indemnity purposes? It figures that a family with that kind of track record would hire an attorney for an "independent investigation"....never let a good tragedy go to waste...
Re: The Safariman Experience [Re: grapeape] #7675297 - 04/21/13
Pompous dipschidts like Yalie show up on the Campfire now and then. But instead of being run off by some censor, they run themselves off, due to good people watching out for other good people--like Mark, one of the most honest and selfless people on here.
I'll be watching Yalie's posts from now on--if he ever dares make one again--to make sure everybody knows what kind of human he really is. _________________________ John
"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015
Several of us were half wrong on that thread. In hindsight it was a case of scum vs. scum.
Lots of dipshitts showed their azzes in that thread, some of them to the point I'd be ashamed to show my face around here ever again.
Mark had a bunch of folks duped for a while. Hell, I've met the guy a couple times. He was a bit of an odd doofus with an over developed sense of self, but was a nice enough guy.
Then the chit started unraveling...people he screwed over became common place, his constant injection of himself into any fugging thing he could fathom, the woe is me bullchit, and on and on....leading up to his business history being exposed.
Could it be the body is still in a morgue for investigative purposes?
I guess you missed the post saying the family had hired an atty. to conduct a private investigation...I think they're gonna make a play for double indemnity...
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
Could it be the body is still in a morgue for investigative purposes?
I guess you missed the post saying the family had hired an atty. to conduct a private investigation...I think they're gonna make a play for double indemnity...
I'll go out on a limb and say GreatWaputi was being facetious.
Re: The Safariman Experience [Re: grapeape] #7675297 - 04/21/13
Pompous dipschidts like Yalie show up on the Campfire now and then. But instead of being run off by some censor, they run themselves off, due to good people watching out for other good people--like Mark, one of the most honest and selfless people on here.
I'll be watching Yalie's posts from now on--if he ever dares make one again--to make sure everybody knows what kind of human he really is. _________________________ John
"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015
Not disappointing at all; many were duped including me.
I stood up for Mark once or twice. I've admitted that it was a mistake before, and I'll do the same here. I regret basing my defense of Mark solely on my interactions with him. After finding out the annuity scamming chit he pulled, and then looking at other stuff his bridge was burnt with me.
Could it be the body is still in a morgue for investigative purposes?
I guess you missed the post saying the family had hired an atty. to conduct a private investigation...I think they're gonna make a play for double indemnity...
I'll go out on a limb and say GreatWaputi was being facetious.
Could it be the body is still in a morgue for investigative purposes?
I guess you missed the post saying the family had hired an atty. to conduct a private investigation...I think they're gonna make a play for double indemnity...
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
Originally Posted by Fireball2
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
That's one dumb [bleep] right there. Of course, it might've been his (ex) wife posting...
Could it be the body is still in a morgue for investigative purposes?
I guess you missed the post saying the family had hired an atty. to conduct a private investigation...I think they're gonna make a play for double indemnity...
Is anyone Facebook friends with him so they can post and call him out to his church brethern...I can't reply to his posts without friend ing him and I don't want that
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
Is anyone Facebook friends with him so they can post and call him out to his church brethern...I can't reply to his posts without friend ing him and I don't want that
I'm not a FB friend with him, but a look at his FB page gave some more insight into his world.
Most notably there is nothing on there about his wife Sherri other than two photos of the two of them.
Oh, and a request for prayer that two of his family members won't have anything to do with him and he would like that to change.
I'm another one who was fooled by Mark until his behavior in the classifieds, then his history was revealed. No one likes to be duped like that.
Live and learn, I guess. Too bad there are folks out there who still believe him.
FB - I don't think it had too much to do with be with being duped, I'd say it has more to do with your estrogen laced rant about casting people into the furnace, piece by piece.
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
Carry on troll.
I'd rather be a troll than a whiny bitchh who gave a reach-around to SM.
Ed, I am beginning to wonder whether there really is a SHERRI, atleast a real Sherri that is his wife, I know people have met her, but that isn't to say she wasn't running a con with him pretending to be his wife.
It's damned odd that she isn't on his Facebook page, he'll can't even find a Sherri doing a search.
There is a sherry claiborne but looks nothing like the one one in his pictures
FB - I don't think it had too much to do with be with being duped, I'd say it has more to do with your estrogen laced rant about casting people into the furnace, piece by piece.
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
There is no Byron Claiborne resting at any funeral home in Roseville or Auburn, California.
Obituary, death notice?
I didn't find one with just a quick search.
Well according to those who are in the know in each funeral parlour in Roseville and Auburn, California, there is no Byron Claiborne waiting for services.
But they may be taking his remains somewhere else for burial.
I don't think I ever really defended the guy but when I got sick in 2014, I knew there was something odd about him. Invited me to hunt Elk with him in CO but first he wanted to sell me a 7mm Mauser.
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
There is no Byron Claiborne resting at any funeral home in Roseville or Auburn, California.
Obituary, death notice?
I didn't find one with just a quick search.
Well according to those who are in the know in each funeral parlour in Roseville and Auburn, California, there is no Byron Claiborne waiting for services.
But they may be taking his remains somewhere else for burial.
There is no Byron Claiborne resting at any funeral home in Roseville or Auburn, California.
Obituary, death notice?
I didn't find one with just a quick search.
Well according to those who are in the know in each funeral parlour in Roseville and Auburn, California, there is no Byron Claiborne waiting for services.
But they may be taking his remains somewhere else for burial.
Did you actually call funeral homes?
Canada is uber boring in the winter. Gotta stay busy somehow.
good christians, all of 'em! (lack of capitalization intentional in this case)
Geno
PS, to those wondering about funeral homes, if not at a morgue due to ongoing investigation, assuming someone actually died, there are many suburbs in that area where the deceased might be; Granite Bay, Lincoln, Rocklin, Loomis, Folsom, Citrus Heights, Rancho Cordoba, and we haven't even started talking about Sacramento yet.
Some folks even knowing how he was tried to do the decent thing. Be nice. And then the other shoe hits the ground and the world is spinning out of control.
There is no Byron Claiborne resting at any funeral home in Roseville or Auburn, California.
Obituary, death notice?
I didn't find one with just a quick search.
Well according to those who are in the know in each funeral parlour in Roseville and Auburn, California, there is no Byron Claiborne waiting for services.
But they may be taking his remains somewhere else for burial.
Did you actually call funeral homes?
Canada is uber boring in the winter. Gotta stay busy somehow.
I do, but he is out for a while tonight, so what the hell right ?
Ed, I am beginning to wonder whether there really is a SHERRI, at least a real Sherri that is his wife, I know people have met her, but that isn't to say she wasn't running a con with him pretending to be his wife. It's damned odd that she isn't on his Facebook page, he'll can't even find a Sherri doing a search. There is a sherry claiborne but looks nothing like the one one in his pictures
Miss Lynn has communicated with his wife, Sherri, so I know she exists and the same lady he posted pictures here looks like the one on his FB page, just no mention of her and she's not listed as one of his FB friends. Odd...
Ed, I am beginning to wonder whether there really is a SHERRI, at least a real Sherri that is his wife, I know people have met her, but that isn't to say she wasn't running a con with him pretending to be his wife. It's damned odd that she isn't on his Facebook page, he'll can't even find a Sherri doing a search. There is a sherry claiborne but looks nothing like the one one in his pictures
Miss Lynn has communicated with his wife, Sherri, so I know she exists and the same lady he posted pictures here looks like the one on his FB page, just no mention of her and she's not listed as one of his FB friends. Odd...
I'm guessing she is one of his con victims, too.
Ed
I mean who the hell.marries a woman with the same name as your ex wife.
That's like a buddy of mine who divorced his first wife because she was a complete nut job only to marry her TWIN sister
Could it be the body is still in a morgue for investigative purposes?
I guess you missed the post saying the family had hired an atty. to conduct a private investigation...I think they're gonna make a play for double indemnity...
Could it be the body is still in a morgue for investigative purposes?
I guess you missed the post saying the family had hired an atty. to conduct a private investigation...I think they're gonna make a play for double indemnity...
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!
He DID write, "Dad also taught me the insurance business," so I assume he's looking up with a proud smile right now.........
Men like your father is what every man should strive to be.
Seriously??
A man with a proven history of extensive, continuous, unwelcome, and uninvited sexual harassment, including sexual comments and unwanted sexual touching; conditioned aspects of tenancy on compliance with sexual favors; and created a hostile environment for female tenants..
Obviously some people are ONLY reading the first post in the thread.... no wonder Claiborne continues to infest the Campfire. Too many gullible and ignorant members easily fleeced and taken advantage of...
All references to an assault were left out of his fb rant
Would seem to me if he were so white hot about the. Suspected killer he would have vented about that on his FB as well
Two different flocks of pigeons he's trying to take, based upon FB or here.
That FB ... post... Yeah, how many times do you think he's done the "oh, I'm a poor sinner and THIS TIME I really mean it that I'm going to change" in order to scam folks over and over again?
ok then. You best get back to doing whatever it is you do. You could've got 3 people fired and some charges against a couple more in the time you been jacking with me.....
I REALLY don't think anybody's wanting YOU mad at them...
Hope all is well with you
All is ok here...& if it weren't, I'd just go through all your pm's to me...THAT would cheer anybody up...even "Rosco"...
Careful, SB is taking bets on the fact I am sleeping with a woman. I can not imagine why he has such a deep longing to know what and who I am having sex with. Bizarre....
ok then. You best get back to doing whatever it is you do. You could've got 3 people fired and some charges against a couple more in the time you been jacking with me.....
Nope, too busy trying to figure out who you are....
ok then. You best get back to doing whatever it is you do. You could've got 3 people fired and some charges against a couple more in the time you been jacking with me.....
Piss her off & you'll KNOW what "jacking with you" is all about...I would really try to avoid that road...I'll bet Miss Lynn could find skidmarks on a gnats ass if she had a mind to do so...
ok then. You best get back to doing whatever it is you do. You could've got 3 people fired and some charges against a couple more in the time you been jacking with me.....
Piss her off & you'll KNOW what "jacking with you" is all about...I would really try to avoid that road...I'll bet Miss Lynn could find skidmarks on a gnats ass if she had a mind to do so...
Actually Sand Billy has intrigued me, I have never had a man male take such a DEEP interest in me in a matter of minutes, I think I shall return the attention....
I REALLY don't think anybody's wanting YOU mad at them...
Hope all is well with you
All is ok here...& if it weren't, I'd just go through all your pm's to me...THAT would cheer anybody up...even "Rosco"...
Careful, SB is taking bets on the fact I am sleeping with a woman. I can not imagine why he has such a deep longing to know what and who I am having sex with. Bizarre....
ok then. You best get back to doing whatever it is you do. You could've got 3 people fired and some charges against a couple more in the time you been jacking with me.....
Piss her off & you'll KNOW what "jacking with you" is all about...I would really try to avoid that road...I'll bet Miss Lynn could find skidmarks on a gnats ass if she had a mind to do so...
Actually Sand Billy has intrigued me, I have never had a man male take such a DEEP interest in me in a matter of minutes, I think I shall return the attention....
I guess I should be jealous, but I'm not...What makes you think he's a man male???
I REALLY don't think anybody's wanting YOU mad at them...
Hope all is well with you
All is ok here...& if it weren't, I'd just go through all your pm's to me...THAT would cheer anybody up...even "Rosco"...
Careful, SB is taking bets on the fact I am sleeping with a woman. I can not imagine why he has such a deep longing to know what and who I am having sex with. Bizarre....
I'm not a hater...
I have always thought you were sweetass fine gentleman !
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
Carry on troll.
I remember you contacting me after he tried screwing me, I think my response GFY and mind your own! I figure you won't recall.
I mean who the hell.marries a woman with the same name as your ex wife.
He's an insurance guy. I see this as good insurance against the times when one ties one, or fifteen, on and then follows with amorous pursuits. You just never know what could slip out. (Assuming fidelity in that regard of course.)
Men like your father is what every man should strive to be.
Seriously??
A man with a proven history of extensive, continuous, unwelcome, and uninvited sexual harassment, including sexual comments and unwanted sexual touching; conditioned aspects of tenancy on compliance with sexual favors; and created a hostile environment for female tenants..
Obviously some people are ONLY reading the first post in the thread.... no wonder Claiborne continues to infest the Campfire. Too many gullible and ignorant members easily fleeced and taken advantage of...
This thread has really taken a nasty tone. Let's keep it civil. There is absolutely no room for attacking "extensive,continuous, unwelcome and uninvited sexual harassment". It is one of the things this great country was predicated upon. I mean, how else are women supposed to advance in corporate America?!
I mean who the hell.marries a woman with the same name as your ex wife.
He's an insurance guy. I see this as good insurance against the times when one ties one, or fifteen, on and then follows with amorous pursuits. You just never know what could slip out. (Assuming fidelity in that regard of course.)
Knew a guy who married a woman with the same name as his ex. Said he never had to worry about saying the wrong name in the sack. Pragmatic..
So the thread has devolved to Middleforks sweet Arse, flave's caulk and miss lynn with not so veiled threats of attention whatever that means! Combination to his gym locker or something?
almost forgot, the campfire standard Christian bashing!
I mean who the hell.marries a woman with the same name as your ex wife.
He's an insurance guy. I see this as good insurance against the times when one ties one, or fifteen, on and then follows with amorous pursuits. You just never know what could slip out. (Assuming fidelity in that regard of course.)
Knew a guy who married a woman with the same name as his ex. Said he never had to worry about saying the wrong name in the sack. Pragmatic..
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
Carry on troll.
I remember you contacting me after he tried screwing me, I think my response GFY and mind your own! I figure you won't recall.
Who the hell are you and why would I care? Water under the bridge mean anything to you?
To every single one of you guys that's been married and divorced- Did you think one thing about your spouse and then something happened to change your opinion of them, or did you marry her feeling the way you did when you divorced her?
I guess you must have known her ugly side when you married her? Sheit happens with people, things change. Get a life.
So the thread has devolved to Middleforks sweet Arse, flave's caulk and miss lynn with not so veiled threats of attention whatever that means! Combination to his gym locker or something?
Getting a chubby & feeling left out? PM Rob Jordan...
I mean who the hell.marries a woman with the same name as your ex wife.
He's an insurance guy. I see this as good insurance against the times when one ties one, or fifteen, on and then follows with amorous pursuits. You just never know what could slip out. (Assuming fidelity in that regard of course.)
Knew a guy who married a woman with the same name as his ex. Said he never had to worry about saying the wrong name in the sack. Pragmatic..
I hate to admitt it I married two Karens
The second one met fire member SSB and introduced herself "as the new improved version" I will never forget that
I will not do that again, Marry a Karen the second lasted a month (no BS)
Oh by the way #2s were not real but they were spectacular
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
Carry on troll.
I remember you contacting me after he tried screwing me, I think my response GFY and mind your own! I figure you won't recall.
Who the hell are you and why would I care? Water under the bridge mean anything to you?
To every single one of you guys that's been married and divorced- Did you think one thing about your spouse and then something happened to change your opinion of them, or did you marry her feeling the way you did when you divorced her?
I guess you must have known her ugly side when you married her? Sheit happens with people, things change. Get a life.
You sure carried enough for your hump buddy to contact me and say how wrong I was. I'll find your pm you pos
To every single one of you guys that's been married and divorced- Did you think one thing about your spouse and then something happened to change your opinion of them, or did you marry her feeling the way you did when you divorced her?
The majority probably haven't had your experience of their old lady hitting the highway due to them being a lame dumbazz, but do carry on. Maybe you could ask her to post again, there was less estrogen involved.
So the thread has devolved to Middleforks sweet Arse, flave's caulk and miss lynn with not so veiled threats of attention whatever that means! Combination to his gym locker or something?
Getting a chubby & feeling left out? PM Rob Jordan...
To every single one of you guys that's been married and divorced- Did you think one thing about your spouse and then something happened to change your opinion of them, or did you marry her feeling the way you did when you divorced her?
The majority probably haven't had your experience of their old lady hitting the highway due to them being a lame dumbazz, but do carry on. Maybe you could ask her to post again, there was less estrogen involved.
Hey dumbass, my wife is sitting here beside me. Dumbshit. You are such an azzhole.
So... look. I'm trying to find a dead guy I don't know.
Help me out.
Dave
Uber bizarre!
Don't forget trying to get a a nurse fired...
Maybe she's Sherri?
Maybe, all the more reason for you to put me on ignore.
Miss Lynn, gettin' all uppity aren't ya.
There you go. Guess its ok to lie to a nurse to get information on someone, because hell, your lies have a higher purpose...not. Also considering the number of "poor me " posts you've started as threads, just gobbled up all that sympathy from others....lets see. Wasn't that safariman's angle? Sympathy, all the poor you awful things that happen, geez almost a walking disaster...hmmm, kinda similar to safariman. So lies, and when confronted gets all pissy...kinda like, no not again, yep safariman. You and safariman, well, keep digging into his crap. Its good deflection isn't it?
Hey dumbass, my wife is sitting here beside me. Dumbshit. You are such an azzhole.
No one ever said she was smart. Now stomp your feet and throw another hissy fit.
Mormons are a smart lot aren't they? Ran you off.
Leave the Mormons out of this... If I was ass ffucked like you were from SM I would be pissed too... What's bad guys were saying SM was a con man and full of [bleep] but YOU and others got on your soap box with a bible in hand going no he's a Christian he's the most honest man out their in the end you were all wrong how much money he take you for?? I sent bullets to SM but it was more or less to see if he would sell them here on the classifieds. I never took anything from him...
Maybe, all the more reason for you to put me on ignore.
Miss Lynn, gettin' all uppity aren't ya.
There you go. Guess its ok to lie to a nurse to get information on someone, because hell, your lies have a higher purpose...not. Also considering the number of "poor me " posts you've started as threads, just gobbled up all that sympathy from others....lets see. Wasn't that safariman's angle? Sympathy, all the poor you awful things that happen, geez almost a walking disaster...hmmm, kinda similar to safariman. So lies, and when confronted gets all pissy...kinda like, no not again, yep safariman. You and safariman, well, keep digging into his crap. Its good deflection isn't it?
She's still using her outstanding Google Foo to figure out what a SandBilly is, cuz she's gonna make it pay!
Spot on and nice to see I'm not the only one that has had her pegged for what she really is.
Don't care. Hope you enjoy yourself. Like I said, people change, sheit happens.
I remember you now. You're the guy always hawking knives in the classifieds. Good for you. I enjoy your ads, all of them.
I don't figure you will see me hawking much. I find it very interesting and telling. When you go to bat for your buddy that you know has a problem. The next month your the ring leader of bad mouthing him. He did this to himself. Your like both sides. Worst kind of man!
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home......
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
There you go. Guess its ok to lie to a nurse to get information on someone, because hell, your lies have a higher purpose...not. Also considering the number of "poor me " posts you've started as threads, just gobbled up all that sympathy from others....lets see. Wasn't that safariman's angle? Sympathy, all the poor you awful things that happen, geez almost a walking disaster...hmmm, kinda similar to safariman. So lies, and when confronted gets all pissy...kinda like, no not again, yep safariman. You and safariman, well, keep digging into his crap. Its good deflection isn't it?
Honey, I am not GETTING uppity, I AM uppity.
You have been a joke since the day you PM'd me to tell me to back off talking to Steelhead because he was taken, and he was, just not by you
I hope someday, someone gives a [bleep] about your little Darla attitude, till then, enjoy the life you think you have
There you go. Guess its ok to lie to a nurse to get information on someone, because hell, your lies have a higher purpose...not. Also considering the number of "poor me " posts you've started as threads, just gobbled up all that sympathy from others....lets see. Wasn't that safariman's angle? Sympathy, all the poor you awful things that happen, geez almost a walking disaster...hmmm, kinda similar to safariman. So lies, and when confronted gets all pissy...kinda like, no not again, yep safariman. You and safariman, well, keep digging into his crap. Its good deflection isn't it?
She's still using her outstanding Google Foo to figure out what a SandBilly is, cuz she's gonna make it pay!
Spot on and nice to see I'm not the only one that has had her pegged for what she really is.
You two are going to make a FINE couple. Just try to ignore her extra parts
All references to an assault were left out of his fb rant
Would seem to me if he were so white hot about the. Suspected killer he would have vented about that on his FB as well
Two different flocks of pigeons he's trying to take, based upon FB or here.
That FB ... post... Yeah, how many times do you think he's done the "oh, I'm a poor sinner and THIS TIME I really mean it that I'm going to change" in order to scam folks over and over again?
Trump called, want's to know just who the firk this Safariman is and why the hell is he garnering all of the attention here. Apparently there is deal between him[Trump] and Bowsinger and Rob Jordan[bad press is press] that there must be no less than three[3] articles with his name in the subject line at any time on page one of the Fire.
There you go. Guess its ok to lie to a nurse to get information on someone, because hell, your lies have a higher purpose...not. Also considering the number of "poor me " posts you've started as threads, just gobbled up all that sympathy from others....lets see. Wasn't that safariman's angle? Sympathy, all the poor you awful things that happen, geez almost a walking disaster...hmmm, kinda similar to safariman. So lies, and when confronted gets all pissy...kinda like, no not again, yep safariman. You and safariman, well, keep digging into his crap. Its good deflection isn't it?
She's still using her outstanding Google Foo to figure out what a SandBilly is, cuz she's gonna make it pay!
Spot on and nice to see I'm not the only one that has had her pegged for what she really is.
You two are going to make a FINE couple. Just try to ignore her extra parts
Gee thanks! Maybe we'll invite you to our special day..
Someday, you'll find that special someone too...likely over at chixwithdix.com
There you go. Guess its ok to lie to a nurse to get information on someone, because hell, your lies have a higher purpose...not. Also considering the number of "poor me " posts you've started as threads, just gobbled up all that sympathy from others....lets see. Wasn't that safariman's angle? Sympathy, all the poor you awful things that happen, geez almost a walking disaster...hmmm, kinda similar to safariman. So lies, and when confronted gets all pissy...kinda like, no not again, yep safariman. You and safariman, well, keep digging into his crap. Its good deflection isn't it?
Honey, I am not GETTING uppity, I AM uppity.
You have been a joke since the day you PM'd me to tell me to back off talking to Steelhead because he was taken, and he was, just not by you
I hope someday, someone gives a [bleep] about your little Darla attitude, till then, enjoy the life you think you have
I'm just a semi retired old phart, who loves the outdoors, hunting and fishing and shooting. But I know what I see. When some gal like you, who by her posts, neither hunts or fishes, comes on a Hunting Forum, and works the crowd, like an internet lot lizard, she's there for another reason. Yeah get all righteous, and garner more sympathy. When you posted that you lied to a healthcare nurse, just to get the dirt on someone, for of course righteous reasons, you showed your colors... like someone's personal hospital records are nothing to you but your 5 minutes of internet fame, that's your prize alright. Yep, similar to safariman.
There are several health and mental health professionals on this board, me being a long shot from either, but try as I might, I can't begin to fathom this level of depravity.
Hey, Lynn... before you fry Sandbilly's sorry azz, check your PM's!
I will, I promise. I was gonna PM you before I went to the airport today anyways, Dude is on his way
As for Sand Billy, sometimes a piece of sssshit doesn't even have the worth of a piece of sssshit. Know what I mean ?
But when Christmas Day is over, and I am settled into the cottage, Sand Billy, Wyogal and I, are going to become Siamese Triplets on here. They want to take a deep seated interest in me and my supposed lesbian personal life, so be it, WE IS ALL GONNA BE LIKE KINFOLK ! And I ain't foolin, STUCK LIKE PPPHUCKIN GLUE ! I mean I am only repaying them in kind for their attention to me, right ?
Hey, Lynn... before you fry Sandbilly's sorry azz, check your PM's!
I will, I promise. I was gonna PM you before I went to the airport today anyways, Dude is on his way
As for Sand Billy, sometimes a piece of sssshit doesn't even have the worth of a piece of sssshit. Know what I mean ?
But when Christmas Day is over, and I am settled into the cottage, Sand Billy, Wyogal and I, are going to become Siamese Triplets on here. They want to take a deep seated interest in me and my supposed lesbian personal life, so be it, WE IS ALL GONNA BE LIKE KINFOLK ! And I ain't foolin, STUCK LIKE PPPHUCKIN GLUE ! I mean I am only repaying them in kind for their attention to me, right ?
Hey, Lynn... before you fry Sandbilly's sorry azz, check your PM's!
I will, I promise. I was gonna PM you before I went to the airport today anyways, Dude is on his way
As for Sand Billy, sometimes a piece of sssshit doesn't even have the worth of a piece of sssshit. Know what I mean ?
But when Christmas Day is over, and I am settled into the cottage, Sand Billy, Wyogal and I, are going to become Siamese Triplets on here. They want to take a deep seated interest in me and my supposed lesbian personal life, so be it, WE IS ALL GONNA BE LIKE KINFOLK ! And I ain't foolin, STUCK LIKE PPPHUCKIN GLUE ! I mean I am only repaying them in kind for their attention to me, right ?
I'm just a semi retired old phart, who loves the outdoors, hunting and fishing and shooting. But I know what I see. When some gal like you, who by her posts, neither hunts or fishes, comes on a Hunting Forum, and works the crowd, like an internet lot lizard, she's there for another reason. Yeah get all righteous, and garner more sympathy. When you posted that you lied to a healthcare nurse, just to get the dirt on someone, for of course righteous reasons, you showed your colors... like someone's personal hospital records are nothing to you but your 5 minutes of internet fame, that's your prize alright. Yep, similar to safariman.
You are an absolutely fascinating specimen of a human being. Do you have any siblings ? Are they old pharts too ? You married ? I doubt it, but hey, there's always hope, right ? What's your Christmas plans ? Family coming to you or you going to them ? What you serving ? What are they serving ? Do you eat early like noonish, or an evening meal ? I personally like serving a little earlier in the day, you know, and getting the cleaning up done so the family can relax and enjoy our time together.
BTW, if you EVER make derogatory comments about my posts for prayers for my kids ever again, I will search you out and I will personally take you places you do not want to go, and that is not a threat, that is a pppphucking promise. Family is off limits, get it ? May you never have children with MS, or any other rotten disease, and work tirelessly to make their lives just a little bit easier, and a little bit happier, and as blessed as they can be.
Now, ask Doc Rocket, ask him if he thinks that is a false promise I made to you, it's okay, him and I are friends outside of the Fire. He will give you a straight answer, ask anyone here, Doc is straight up !
So, as I was saying, what are you doing for the holidays ?
I bet this thread catches up to "Idaho rancher killed...." in number of posts. I think we should combine the two threads and call it "My father was beaten to death by a bull and then shot by two deputies".
You're not real bright are you? Utah was right to spit you out, just sorry you landed in my state.
There's nothing any of us can do about being duped by a con man. It happens when you want to trust people rather than live like a cynical troll that everybody sees right through.
I bet this thread catches up to "Idaho rancher killed...." in number of posts. I think we should combine the two threads and call it "My father was beaten to death by a bull and then shot by two deputies".
That's a clever thought but do we really want this one dragging the bull thread down with it?
Hey, Lynn... before you fry Sandbilly's sorry azz, check your PM's!
I will, I promise. I was gonna PM you before I went to the airport today anyways, Dude is on his way
As for Sand Billy, sometimes a piece of sssshit doesn't even have the worth of a piece of sssshit. Know what I mean ?
But when Christmas Day is over, and I am settled into the cottage, Sand Billy, Wyogal and I, are going to become Siamese Triplets on here. They want to take a deep seated interest in me and my supposed lesbian personal life, so be it, WE IS ALL GONNA BE LIKE KINFOLK ! And I ain't foolin, STUCK LIKE PPPHUCKIN GLUE ! I mean I am only repaying them in kind for their attention to me, right ?
Talk to you soon
Is it really worth it?
Actually Sean till you asked that I thought it was. But you of all people asking me that, and thinking about what they both truly are, no, nor their little followers either. Sooner or later, garbage rots, so, something to look forward to
But if Wyogal ever makes comment about my kids or prayers for them again, well, you know.
Just warn us before some old azz floppy titty comes flyin' out.
Ain't nobody got time for that.
Hahaha! I do remember when this was a hunting forum. Now it's a place for lonely chicks to PM married dudes.
Can we order brides from overseas on here yet?
Not interested in a bride but do you know where I can find some midget strippers?
True story, I saw someone had a GIF embedded in their FB page, a bachelor party I think. A nude midget goes running down the stage and leaps at some poor dude. He steps aside and lets her land on her azz. Poor thing looked like she needed consoled.
He sounds like a truly wonderful human being. I am sorry for your loss, especially in this manner and at this time of year. Prayers for you and your family have been sent.
He sounds like a truly wonderful human being. I am sorry for your loss, especially in this manner and at this time of year. Prayers for you and your family have been sent.
Just warn us before some old azz floppy titty comes flyin' out.
Ain't nobody got time for that.
Hahaha! I do remember when this was a hunting forum. Now it's a place for lonely chicks to PM married dudes.
Can we order brides from overseas on here yet?
Not interested in a bride but do you know where I can find some midget strippers?
True story, I saw someone had a GIF embedded in their FB page, a bachelor party I think. A nude midget goes running down the stage and leaps at some poor dude. He steps aside and lets her land on her azz. Poor thing looked like she needed consoled.
A buddy sent that to me. Laughed my ass off. Would post it but it wouldn't be SYSOP approved.
He sounds like a truly wonderful human being. I am sorry for your loss, especially in this manner and at this time of year. Prayers for you and your family have been sent.
Gueedo D Safariman was not murdered
Give it up, it is what it is, and they will think as they desire to think, and nothing seems to break the fog, sooooo....
I REALLY don't think anybody's wanting YOU mad at them...
Hope all is well with you
All is ok here...& if it weren't, I'd just go through all your pm's to me...THAT would cheer anybody up...even "Rosco"...
Careful, SB is taking bets on the fact I am sleeping with a woman. I can not imagine why he has such a deep longing to know what and who I am having sex with. Bizarre....
Months ago you said on here you ate poontang in your college days. Miss Lynn the "super sleuth" all the users you profess to uncover on here seem to play stump the dummy with you always.
Where's SM's mother in this debacle? She in the history book?
His mother died from the same disease that's causing his kidneys to fail...it's genetic.
I don't think so.
I'm just going by what his father told me when I asked him about Marks problem...
Interesting, as she is alive and well in Idaho.
Mark's tales of woe about his kidneys involved his great-grandfather and his grandfather both dying of the malady, but somehow neither his father nor his mother suffer from it (nor, seemingly, do any of his siblings or cousins).
Where's SM's mother in this debacle? She in the history book?
His mother died from the same disease that's causing his kidneys to fail...it's genetic.
I don't think so.
I'm just going by what his father told me when I asked him about Marks problem...
Interesting, as she is alive and well in Idaho.
Mark's tales of woe about his kidneys involved his great-grandfather and his grandfather both dying of the malady, but somehow neither his father nor his mother suffer from it (nor, seemingly, do any of his siblings or cousins).
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
Just in case ya'll forgot.
Noone has forgotten that his dad WASN'T murdered.
Hell some are questioning whether Gueedo even really kicked off.
Could it be an elaborately concocted insurance fraud scheme
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
Just in case ya'll forgot.
Noone has forgotten that his dad WASN'T murdered.
Hell some are questioning whether Gueedo even really kicked off.
Could it be an elaborately concocted insurance fraud scheme
Naaaaahhh... Mark wouldn't do something like that
He wouldn't do that! Mark is one of the good guys!!!
I remember ol SM had a pre 64 he couldn't post pictures but could send them via text message so sent him my number anyhow saw the rifle thank the lord for bsa cause he saved me from spending money on a pieced together pre 64. Anyhow few weeks later get a message from SM saying he has two more and will separate them take half cash and guns in trade but the money had to be sent western union asap cause he has pressing issues to attend and needed the money... I declined and moved on out but I wonder how many times he tried that on other people and it worked..
Back when I was between wives during the mid 90's, I took to frequenting a fairly notorious roadhouse out on the north end of town.
The first time I went was more or less just a lark.
I had seen the place many times as I drove by and had heard all kinds of vile tales about the place,...and I decided that it was time for me to check it out.
Much to my surprise, the place was *packed* with good ole country gals of all sizes, shapes, ages, and dispositions.
They all had one thing in common,.....they were divorced and looking for a man with no wife and a job.
I fit both criteria at the time and as soon as word got around, I experienced the well known, "pork chop at the dog pound" syndrome.
It didn't hurt matters that they currently employed an outstanding band and and a sizable dance floor.
Lots of fun was had there during that period of time.
The place had a decent little hotel out back and one section of it was a truck stop restaurant. There was a large asphalt parking area where trucks were allowed to park overnight for free.
All of the above was enough for it to hold my interest,..but perhaps the best part was to exit at closing time and find two hefty women in the parking lot fighting over some skinny old country boy who usually stood off to the side and tried to get them to stop.
It always drew a small crowd of moderately inebriated patrons to watch the scrappin' and listen to the dialogue.
I learned that all hefty country women pretty much fight the same way.
They lip at each other for a few minutes,...then one slaps the other one. The one that gets slapped immediately reaches out, grabs the woman by the clothes,..either top or dress, and gives it a big yank which tears it and exposes one t!t,...never two for some reason,...just one.
They eventually get ahold of each other's hair and start snatchin' each other every whichaway while hollering out "BITCH!,...LET GO BITCH!,..
Meanwhile,..the skinny old boy that they're fighting over is totally beside himself and trying to break it up.
"Looky here now,...y'all stop that!,...people are lookin'! Claudette,...will you at least stop long enough fer Nadine to put her t!tty up? That ain't right,...Y'all *STOP* now!,...I mean it!"
That pressing issue you mention was singing gospel songs.
No, it was paying bills. No matter how much Mark made, including years of well over six figures, he was always broke because he always overspent and has never changed.
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior as much cash as they could spend - and credit cards to charge stuff on beyond that.
Yep, that's about what happened.
He was buying/selling/trading firearms and pocketing cash when the household bills needed to be paid and/or his wife's vehicle was broken. His toys, his needs, his wants, always came first and always come first; whether the alternative is paying the bills for the household, upholding legal and ethical practices, not screwing someone else over, etc. Mark has and will always put Mark's greed ahead of anything and anyone else.
That pressing issue you mention was singing gospel songs.
No, it was paying bills. No matter how much Mark made, including years of well over six figures, he was always broke because he always overspent and has never changed.
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior as much cash as they could spend - and credit cards to charge stuff on beyond that.
Yep, that's about what happened.
He was buying/selling/trading firearms and pocketing cash when the household bills needed to be paid and/or his wife's vehicle was broken. His toys, his needs, his wants, always came first and always come first; whether the alternative is paying the bills for the household, upholding legal and ethical practices, not screwing someone else over, etc. Mark has and will always put Mark's greed ahead of anything and anyone else.
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior as much cash as they could spend - and credit cards to charge stuff on beyond that.
Like a drunk sailor in a whorehouse with a stolen credit card.
Back when I was between wives during the mid 90's, I took to frequenting a fairly notorious roadhouse out on the north end of town.
The first time I went was more or less just a lark.
I had seen the place many times as I drove by and had heard all kinds of vile tales about the place,...and I decided that it was time for me to check it out.
Much to my surprise, the place was *packed* with good ole country gals of all sizes, shapes, ages, and dispositions.
They all had one thing in common,.....they were divorced and looking for a man with no wife and a job.
I fit both criteria at the time and as soon as word got around, I experienced the well known, "pork chop at the dog pound" syndrome.
It didn't hurt matters that they currently employed an outstanding band and and a sizable dance floor.
Lots of fun was had there during that period of time.
The place had a decent little hotel out back and one section of it was a truck stop restaurant. There was a large asphalt parking area where trucks were allowed to park overnight for free.
All of the above was enough for it to hold my interest,..but perhaps the best part was to exit at closing time and find two hefty women in the parking lot fighting over some skinny old country boy who usually stood off to the side and tried to get them to stop.
It always drew a small crowd of moderately inebriated patrons to watch the scrappin' and listen to the dialogue.
I learned that all hefty country women pretty much fight the same way.
They lip at each other for a few minutes,...then one slaps the other one. The one that gets slapped immediately reaches out, grabs the woman by the clothes,..either top or dress, and gives it a big yank which tears it and exposes one t!t,...never two for some reason,...just one.
They eventually get ahold of each other's hair and start snatchin' each other every whichaway while hollering out "BITCH!,...LET GO BITCH!,..
Meanwhile,..the skinny old boy that they're fighting over is totally beside himself and trying to break it up.
"Looky here now,...y'all stop that!,...people are lookin'! Claudette,...will you at least stop long enough fer Nadine to put her t!tty up? That ain't right,...Y'all *STOP* now!,...I mean it!"
That pressing issue you mention was singing gospel songs.
No, it was paying bills. No matter how much Mark made, including years of well over six figures, he was always broke because he always overspent and has never changed.
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior as much cash as they could spend - and credit cards to charge stuff on beyond that.
Yep, that's about what happened.
He was buying/selling/trading firearms and pocketing cash when the household bills needed to be paid and/or his wife's vehicle was broken. His toys, his needs, his wants, always came first and always come first; whether the alternative is paying the bills for the household, upholding legal and ethical practices, not screwing someone else over, etc. Mark has and will always put Mark's greed ahead of anything and anyone else.
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior access to the 24campfire...
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior as much cash as they could spend - and credit cards to charge stuff on beyond that.
Like a drunk sailor in a whorehouse with a stolen credit card.
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior access to the 24campfire...
That pressing issue you mention was singing gospel songs.
... He was buying/selling/trading firearms and pocketing cash when the household bills needed to be paid and/or his wife's vehicle was broken. His toys, his needs, his wants, always came first and always come first; whether the alternative is paying the bills for the household, upholding legal and ethical practices, not screwing someone else over, etc. Mark has and will always put Mark's greed ahead of anything and anyone else.
Sadly...this ^^^^^^
I was one of the first here to publicly lambaste people here for donating to SM with his endless bills and problems, when he was buying expensive rifles two forums over. This was probably in early 2012. I questioned the sanity of people here and I got grief for it.
Since then--in an odd twist--I've had a dealing with him that showed much kindness on his part. True story. I realized that the guy has a measure of decently in him--it is why some here defend him. He is well spoken--for the most part, aside from his alluding to HIS needs, HIS problems, HIS potential germ encounters.
Unfortunately the good that resides in him is swallowed up with selfishness and 'stuff.' The overall "Safariman" picture is one of materialism--the antitheses of Christianity .....a man can't bemoan his poor health, myriad bills, etc. and ask for financial help all the while conducting business with atvs, guns, race cars, harleys, SUVs, hunts...the list is long and sad. Who else would have a dead elephant on his avatar and accept handouts. Are you kidding me? Where is the personal pride, the sense of dignity? Who the heck posts something like this topic on an open thread anyway? Where is the sense of privacy and bereavement?
Back when I was between wives during the mid 90's, I took to frequenting a fairly notorious roadhouse out on the north end of town.
The first time I went was more or less just a lark.
I had seen the place many times as I drove by and had heard all kinds of vile tales about the place,...and I decided that it was time for me to check it out.
Much to my surprise, the place was *packed* with good ole country gals of all sizes, shapes, ages, and dispositions.
They all had one thing in common,.....they were divorced and looking for a man with no wife and a job.
I fit both criteria at the time and as soon as word got around, I experienced the well known, "pork chop at the dog pound" syndrome.
It didn't hurt matters that they currently employed an outstanding band and and a sizable dance floor.
Lots of fun was had there during that period of time.
The place had a decent little hotel out back and one section of it was a truck stop restaurant. There was a large asphalt parking area where trucks were allowed to park overnight for free.
All of the above was enough for it to hold my interest,..but perhaps the best part was to exit at closing time and find two hefty women in the parking lot fighting over some skinny old country boy who usually stood off to the side and tried to get them to stop.
It always drew a small crowd of moderately inebriated patrons to watch the scrappin' and listen to the dialogue.
I learned that all hefty country women pretty much fight the same way.
They lip at each other for a few minutes,...then one slaps the other one. The one that gets slapped immediately reaches out, grabs the woman by the clothes,..either top or dress, and gives it a big yank which tears it and exposes one t!t,...never two for some reason,...just one.
They eventually get ahold of each other's hair and start snatchin' each other every whichaway while hollering out "BITCH!,...LET GO BITCH!,..
Meanwhile,..the skinny old boy that they're fighting over is totally beside himself and trying to break it up.
"Looky here now,...y'all stop that!,...people are lookin'! Claudette,...will you at least stop long enough fer Nadine to put her t!tty up? That ain't right,...Y'all *STOP* now!,...I mean it!"
We just bought the LC9s PRO for Sherri because of its wonderfully light trigger and as you mentioned,NO slide mounted safety. That feature - slide safety - being a non starter in my mind and hers for a daily carry piece being used by a still beginning shooter with little time to train. One more thing to have to learn and think about before one gets the satisfying and maybe life saving Ka BOOM.
So far Sherri likes this pistol better than any of the other 8 or 10 she has tried and carried so far and is shooting it really well. Not just well for her, she is shooting it really, really WELL!
At deer came several of the guys and gals tried it out and every single one of them came away mightily impressed. Including two who were packing the very similar Glock G43 single stack compact 9mm. The two are much more alike than different in manual of arms, size, etc. But the Ruger is $200 less and I cannot see where it is any less of a handgun so far.
Merry Christmas to you, too! For unto us, CHRIST the SAVIOR is given!
Here is the creepy post he left for ol Chad on the Kel-tec forums I wonder how many emails Ruger has gotten from him lol
Chad,
I also want to know who to get in touch with there to send a photo or two of my wife. She has - seriously- swimsuit model great looks and body, and uses and carries Kel Tech stuff now. Has carried S&W, Colt, Kahr etc. You guys need her very thin hot self to be shown holding some KT goodies with an add title of "Beauty is as Beauty does" or similar.
That pressing issue you mention was singing gospel songs.
... He was buying/selling/trading firearms and pocketing cash when the household bills needed to be paid and/or his wife's vehicle was broken. His toys, his needs, his wants, always came first and always come first; whether the alternative is paying the bills for the household, upholding legal and ethical practices, not screwing someone else over, etc. Mark has and will always put Mark's greed ahead of anything and anyone else.
Sadly...this ^^^^^^
I was one of the first here to publicly lambaste people here for donating to SM with his endless bills and problems, when he was buying expensive rifles two forums over. This was probably in early 2012. I questioned the sanity of people here and I got grief for it.
Since then--in an odd twist--I've had a dealing with him that showed much kindness on his part. True story. I realized that the guy has a measure of decently in him--it is why some here defend him. He is well spoken--for the most part, aside from his alluding to HIS needs, HIS problems, HIS potential germ encounters.
Unfortunately the good that resides in him is swallowed up with selfishness and 'stuff.' The overall "Safariman" picture is one of materialism--the antitheses of Christianity .....a man can't bemoan his poor health, myriad bills, etc. and ask for financial help all the while conducting business with atvs, guns, race cars, harleys, SUVs, hunts...the list is long and sad. Who else would have a dead elephant on his avatar and accept handouts. Are you kidding me? Where is the personal pride, the sense of dignity? Who the heck posts something like this topic on an open thread anyway? Where is the sense of privacy and bereavement?
Today from 11-9 we are having our benefit for Mark Claiborne. He is having kidney transplant surgery & we need to raise lots of money for him. We will be donating a % of our total sales for the day directly to Mark. Please come out & support & keep him in your prayers.
And what was Safariman doing the very same day of the fund raiser event the above quoted pizza restaurant put on to help out with his medical expenses...
We just bought the LC9s PRO for Sherri because of its wonderfully light trigger and as you mentioned,NO slide mounted safety. That feature - slide safety - being a non starter in my mind and hers for a daily carry piece being used by a still beginning shooter with little time to train. One more thing to have to learn and think about before one gets the satisfying and maybe life saving Ka BOOM.
So far Sherri likes this pistol better than any of the other 8 or 10 she has tried and carried so far and is shooting it really well. Not just well for her, she is shooting it really, really WELL!
At deer came several of the guys and gals tried it out and every single one of them came away mightily impressed. Including two who were packing the very similar Glock G43 single stack compact 9mm. The two are much more alike than different in manual of arms, size, etc. But the Ruger is $200 less and I cannot see where it is any less of a handgun so far.
Merry Christmas to you, too! For unto us, CHRIST the SAVIOR is given!
Here is the creepy post he left for ol Chad on the Kel-tec forums I wonder how many emails Ruger has gotten from him lol
Chad,
I also want to know who to get in touch with there to send a photo or two of my wife. She has - seriously- swimsuit model great looks and body, and uses and carries Kel Tech stuff now. Has carried S&W, Colt, Kahr etc. You guys need her very thin hot self to be shown holding some KT goodies with an add title of "Beauty is as Beauty does" or similar.
If my ol lady found out I was trying to pimp her out and send out photos she ffucking kill me... So this goes to show his ol lady is just as ffucking crazy as him
SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.
The only thing Aces could track is a well hung sloth.
I would defend you ALL until the end of time but instead I just changed my mind and would like to throw you all into the fiery abyss also known as HELL!
Finally somebody that can focus and stay on topic.
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
Finally somebody that can focus and stay on topic.
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
I'm wanting to see a flying drop kick in stilettos like the midget.
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
Old School.
Bingo but he was talking about panties and I rather not guess what kind of panties them gals are wearing thongs? G-string? Hip huggers? Or granny panties
Since then--in an odd twist--I've had a dealing with him that showed much kindness on his part. True story. I realized that the guy has a measure of decently in him--it is why some here defend him. He is well spoken--for the most part....
Thanks for the heads up back then.
Sorry that you got duped in the end though.
All narcissists and sociopaths have "decency" in them--it's part of the scam. Sort of like the devil--he masquerades as an angel of light, otherwise who would listen to him?
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior as much cash as they could spend - and credit cards to charge stuff on beyond that.
Like a drunk sailor in a whorehouse with a stolen credit card.
Finally somebody that can focus and stay on topic.
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
Old School.
Bingo but he was talking about panties and I rather not guess what kind of panties them gals are wearing thongs? G-string? Hip huggers? Or granny panties
SM mo was to rob Peter to pay Paul and it showed on this hunt he put together... I have no idea what kind of deposits are involved with these types of safaris but I imagine it was several thousand dollars and he ran a hustle and won and pointed fingers when it was his fault ..
All narcissists and sociopaths have "decency" in them--it's part of the scam. Sort of like the devil--he masquerades as an angel of light, otherwise who would listen to him?
+1, but..... I wasn't duped, DD...nothing wagered, nothing lost. I've never given the man a dime.
I knew back then what I've always known, the guy needs help and those who support him with money only continue to enable the dysfunctional behavior.
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
Old School.
Bingo but he was talking about panties and I rather not guess what kind of panties them gals are wearing thongs? G-string? Hip huggers? Or granny panties
They could be wearing depends as far as I care...flyin titties is flyin titties
I wonder will they be wearing red or black bras?? Or some exotic color I never thought of... Or they wearing basic cotton white bras?? Or they not wearing any bras at all??
Old School.
Bingo but he was talking about panties and I rather not guess what kind of panties them gals are wearing thongs? G-string? Hip huggers? Or granny panties
They could be wearing depends as far as I care...flyin titties is flyin titties
All narcissists and sociopaths have "decency" in them--it's part of the scam. Sort of like the devil--he masquerades as an angel of light, otherwise who would listen to him?
+1, but..... I wasn't duped, DD...nothing wagered, nothing lost. I've never given the man a dime.
I knew back then what I've always known, the guy needs help and those who support him with money only continue to enable the dysfunctional behavior.
What do you think goes through SM's mind as he reads this stuff? He'll probably be around in a couple of days to blame someone else for this fiasco. Probably his brother.
I would defend you ALL until the end of time but instead I just changed my mind and would like to throw you all into the fiery abyss also known as HELL!
BURN FUUCKERS!!!
LEFTJAB!
Heavy bullet .223 load development not going well Sam?
Imagine giving a 12 year old kid with no impulse control, an inflated opinion of self-worth, no morals, no conscience, and no check on behavior as much cash as they could spend - and credit cards to charge stuff on beyond that.
Like a drunk sailor in a whorehouse with a stolen credit card.
I would like to know who to get in touch with there to send a photo or two of my wife. She has - seriously- swimsuit model great looks and body, and uses and carries Ruger stuff now. Has carried S&W, Colt, Kahr etc. You guys need her very thin hot self to be shown holding some Ruger goodies with an add title of "Beauty is as Beauty does" or similar.
I was pretty sure when I first started reading this thread that it would have been ultimately shown that the majority of you were just acting like the usual 24hr peckerwoods ganging up on your next victim. After reading this thread and several others cited in this thread I stand corrected. Instead, I learned that Mark was the peckerwood and there really is some sort of point in the madness around here.
Never saw it coming and it bothers the hell out of me that I'm so friggin' gullible and believing in people.
I was pretty sure when I first started reading this thread that it would have been ultimately shown that the majority of you were just acting like the usual 24hr peckerwoods ganging up on your next victim. After reading this thread and several others cited in this thread I stand corrected. Instead, I learned that Mark was the peckerwood and there really is some sort of point in the madness around here.
Never saw it coming and it bothers the hell out of me that I'm so friggin' gullible and believing in people.
It should remind you, and a few others, to mind your business if you don't know the 'whole' story.
Can we please keep this thread on topic! I am waiting for an update on Miss Lynn, Travis and AssesNeights pissing contest (Travis is still my internet hero) and the Cat n Booby fight video!
Thanks wyoelk for your work to keep this in line. And Merry Christmas to you.
Originally Posted by wyoelk
What is more disturbing, Safariman or a grown azz woman with nothing better to do in her life than call funeral homes and hospitals?
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your Family. Grieve not, for your father is in a much better place than we are. Celebrate Christ this Christmas, and remember all the good times spent with your father. memtb
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your Family. Grieve not, for your father is in a much better place than we are. Celebrate Christ this Christmas, and remember all the good times spent with your father. memtb
SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.
The only thing Aces could track is a well hung sloth.
At this time of year is when one truly misses the good ones, for example Mickey, we can only hope that the good here continues to outnumber the bad eggs.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your Family. Grieve not, for your father is in a much better place than we are. Celebrate Christ this Christmas, and remember all the good times spent with your father. memtb
Memtb, I'm not asking you specifically, it's just your post was the one on this page.
I have a question for the Christians on the board. Why do Christians have no problem proclaiming judgment when they think a person is going to heaven, but when it's shown that a man was despicable in life, they backtrack and say it's not their place to judge, and that a man's sins are his own?
Sorry if this question derails an otherwise über thread.
SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.
The only thing Aces could track is a well hung sloth.
And track he would!
Dave
BURNNNNN!!!
Holy crap that's funny!!
Clyde
JFC. How old are you? Burn???? You really are fuc.king pathetic especially considering that was 24hrs ago, you're the only one that found his pathetic attempt funny
No wonder you've had 2 children with obvious signs of retardation.
Why do Christians have no problem proclaiming judgment when they think a person is going to heaven, but when it's shown that a man was despicable in life, they backtrack and say it's not their place to judge, and that a man's sins are his own?
Because we aren't God and can't see their hearts. We aren't God and don't know what His decision will be and He isn't telling us. Maybe the deceased made amends with God at the last moment. We just don't know.
As for the opposite, there's no problem with praying for good.
Personally, I think Safariman really does have kidney issues. Kidney issues can make people (appear) crazy. I don't think that excuses his behavior, people should be aware of the problems and deal with him accordingly, with charity. (And no, I don't mean give him money. Know that he can't be held to normal standards and avoid dealing with him in ways that play on his weaknesses. Like a blind, senile parent that you don't let drive.)
Not really qualified to speak for the whole group, but, it is our job to encourage the good, in everyone, it is not for us to judge others failings. Done properly one is busy deaLing with his own faults. We are however, supposed to, privately, hold others accountable. Glad we did not live in old testament times, the religious laws were impossible, with no grace.
Erwin said Claiborne’s injuries appeared to have come from a fall in which he’d hit his head on the kitchen counter, but Claiborne’s son, Mark, was skeptical.
Mark told the Press Tribune that he thought his father had been assaulted, given the bruises on Claiborne’s face, marks on his knuckles and internal bleeding. Mark said for all of his life, his father had taken in people who suffered from drug or alcohol addiction and given them jobs and a place to live, hoping to rehabilitate them. Mark said Claiborne had varying degrees of success with this, and he feared one of his father’s tenants might have turned on him.
“He lived a risky life in that he let them live right there in his home while he was working with them, doing Bible studies and things,” Mark said. “He was a very devout Christian and believed that’s how we should live – helping people get off of drugs and stuff, and introduce them to the Lord, and work ethic, and he invested his whole life in that.”
Bruises notwithstanding, Erwin said an autopsy Monday revealed nothing suspicious, although it did not establish a definite cause of death. She said Claiborne’s age might account for many of Claiborne’s apparent injuries from the fall, but forensic testing to officially rule out homicide is ongoing and could take weeks to finish.
Someone mentioned double indemnity earlier in the thread...
Erwin said Claiborne’s injuries appeared to have come from a fall in which he’d hit his head on the kitchen counter, but Claiborne’s son, Mark, was skeptical.
Mark told the Press Tribune that he thought his father had been assaulted, given the bruises on Claiborne’s face, marks on his knuckles and internal bleeding. Mark said for all of his life, his father had taken in people who suffered from drug or alcohol addiction and given them jobs and a place to live, hoping to rehabilitate them. Mark said Claiborne had varying degrees of success with this, and he feared one of his father’s tenants might have turned on him.
“He lived a risky life in that he let them live right there in his home while he was working with them, doing Bible studies and things,” Mark said. “He was a very devout Christian and believed that’s how we should live – helping people get off of drugs and stuff, and introduce them to the Lord, and work ethic, and he invested his whole life in that.”
Bruises notwithstanding, Erwin said an autopsy Monday revealed nothing suspicious, although it did not establish a definite cause of death. She said Claiborne’s age might account for many of Claiborne’s apparent injuries from the fall, but forensic testing to officially rule out homicide is ongoing and could take weeks to finish.
Someone mentioned double indemnity earlier in the thread...
JFC. How old are you? Burn???? You really are fuc.king pathetic especially considering that was 24hrs ago, you're the only one that found his pathetic attempt funny
No wonder you've had 2 children with obvious signs of retardation.
i thought i read somewhere in this goat-fugging contest that SM said the suspected perp was already in custody? or was i just dreaming that schit? hard to separate fact from fiction from feces here.
I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
i thought i read somewhere in this goat-fugging contest that SM said the suspected perp was already in custody? or was i just dreaming that schit? hard to separate fact from fiction from feces here.
From his first post.
Originally Posted by safariman
I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
Funny how the news story doesn't mention an arrest, huh?
It's hard to keep lies straight. And I agree the local authorities should be sent a link to SM's manifesto here, as it paints him as a pretty good suspect.
It's hard to keep lies straight. And I agree the local authorities should be sent a link to SM's manifesto here, as it paints him as a pretty good suspect.
We keep forgetting SM's a Christian and it's a sin to commit murder I think there's a passage in the Old Testament that states it's ok to screw over your elders
Video and soundtrack needed for the catfight element contained in this thread.
I like this one.
"Y'all goan hafta come up off dat chainlink fence!"
I expected to hear" I gonna whup yo head! You heah me?"
One of my favorite hangouts way back then was known as "The bloody bucket" just out of the city limits in the blackest part of that small Oklahoma town where I kinda growed up and that expression was repeated quite often. Along with "I gonna put yo azz in hell!"
One thing I found particularly odd in SM initial post was that his Dad had ..."scarred up knuckles..." It would take quite a blow for an 80 year old man to scar up his knuckles. One would think an 80 year old would have only defensive wounds in a fight....not offensive ones. I also questioned the amount of detail SM knew about the alleged scrap involving the old man.
i thought i read somewhere in this goat-fugging contest that SM said the suspected perp was already in custody? or was i just dreaming that schit? hard to separate fact from fiction from feces here.
From his first post.
Originally Posted by safariman
I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
Funny how the news story doesn't mention an arrest, huh?
I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
My thoughts exactly...
So, nothing suspicious, have not as of yet ruled out a homicide but likely will. Yet the perp sits behind bars safe from Mark. JFC
I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
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Placer County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the death of Byron Claiborne, an Auburn resident and former Roseville City Councilman, after an apparent head trauma put him in a coma Dec. 17. He died at Sutter Roseville Medical Center the next day.
Claiborne, 79, served on Roseville City Council from March 13, 1978 to March 8, 1982, while June Wanish and Harry Crabb were mayors.
According to sheriff’s spokeswoman Dena Erwin, a tenant renting a room at Claiborne’s ranch on Shirland Tract Road found him on the floor of his kitchen early Dec. 17, shortly before 1:20 a.m. The tenant ran upstairs to ask another tenant to call 911, then returned to render medical aid until paramedics arrived.
Erwin said there was “a lot of blood,” and Claiborne fell into a coma. He died at the hospital around 35 hours later, at 12:09 Dec. 18.
Erwin said Claiborne’s injuries appeared to have come from a fall in which he’d hit his head on the kitchen counter, but Claiborne’s son, Mark, was skeptical.
Mark told the Press Tribune that he thought his father had been assaulted, given the bruises on Claiborne’s face, marks on his knuckles and internal bleeding. Mark said for all of his life, his father had taken in people who suffered from drug or alcohol addiction and given them jobs and a place to live, hoping to rehabilitate them. Mark said Claiborne had varying degrees of success with this, and he feared one of his father’s tenants might have turned on him.
“He lived a risky life in that he let them live right there in his home while he was working with them, doing Bible studies and things,” Mark said. “He was a very devout Christian and believed that’s how we should live – helping people get off of drugs and stuff, and introduce them to the Lord, and work ethic, and he invested his whole life in that.”
Bruises notwithstanding, Erwin said an autopsy Monday revealed nothing suspicious, although it did not establish a definite cause of death. She said Claiborne’s age might account for many of Claiborne’s apparent injuries from the fall, but forensic testing to officially rule out homicide is ongoing and could take weeks to finish.
“If you have a fall, which he had, and he had a cut to his head, that can cause bleeding, which can cause blackened eyes,” Erwin said of the bruises.
Mark pointed out that detectives put bags around his father’s hands and feet to protect potential DNA evidence, but Erwin said that was standard procedure.
As of Tuesday afternoon, no one had been arrested in connection with Claiborne’s death.
In addition to Claiborne’s service on Roseville City Council, Mark said his father was once president of both the Sunrise and Tuesday-lunch Rotary clubs, served as president of Toastmasters “many times,” served as the choir director and worship leader at Roseville's First Church of the Nazarene and the Roseville First Assembly of God, was a scoutmaster in the 1970s and sat on the Boy Scouts Golden Empire Council.
One thing I found particularly odd in SM initial post was that his Dad had ..."scarred up knuckles..." It would take quite a blow for an 80 year old man to scar up his knuckles. One would think an 80 year old would have only defensive wounds in a fight....not offensive ones. I also questioned the amount of detail SM knew about the alleged scrap involving the old man.
Hey, I am 81 and I can assure you that us old goats get skinned up pretty easy.
And under the right conditions, I can still get on the offensive side. Not like it used to be but still there.
You ever been whupped by an eighty year old guy?
It might take a little longer but hurts just as much.
Bill Turnbull · Works at CMBC - Coast Mountain Bus Company
"His son Mark did it".
Not sure how or if Mr. Turnbull knows Mark, but an interesting comment for sure.
So whoo on here is Bill Turnbull? Or is it not just the 'fire that is skeptical of Claiborne?
I appears SM'S reputation precedes him locally as well.
Comments have been disabled now. I'm pretty sure B.T. is a 24 Campfire member. If he wants to identify himself I guess he will. If B.T. is who I think he is, he is not a 'local'.
One thing I found particularly odd in SM initial post was that his Dad had ..."scarred up knuckles..." It would take quite a blow for an 80 year old man to scar up his knuckles. One would think an 80 year old would have only defensive wounds in a fight....not offensive ones. I also questioned the amount of detail SM knew about the alleged scrap involving the old man.
Hey, I am 81 and I can assure you that us old goats get skinned up pretty easy.
And under the right conditions, I can still get on the offensive side. Not like it used to be but still there.
You ever been whupped by an eighty year old guy?
It might take a little longer but hurts just as much.
Thin, easily torn skin, easily bruised, brittle bones, diabetes, blood pressure issues, etc., etc., all part of aging. If he was taking prescribed blood thinners they can cause hemorrhaging.
One thing I found particularly odd in SM initial post was that his Dad had ..."scarred up knuckles..." It would take quite a blow for an 80 year old man to scar up his knuckles. One would think an 80 year old would have only defensive wounds in a fight....not offensive ones. I also questioned the amount of detail SM knew about the alleged scrap involving the old man.
Hey, I am 81 and I can assure you that us old goats get skinned up pretty easy.
And under the right conditions, I can still get on the offensive side. Not like it used to be but still there.
You ever been whupped by an eighty year old guy?
It might take a little longer but hurts just as much.
Thin, easily torn skin, easily bruised, brittle bones, diabetes, blood pressure issues, etc., etc., all part of aging. If he was taking prescribed blood thinners they can cause hemorrhaging.
Fortunately the thin, easily torn hide, and easy bruising are about the only problems I have. I do take a very small dose of high BP stuff daily and the Dr, said that if I increased my walking a little, that would probably go away. It's easier just to take the pill.
One thing I found particularly odd in SM initial post was that his Dad had ..."scarred up knuckles..." It would take quite a blow for an 80 year old man to scar up his knuckles. One would think an 80 year old would have only defensive wounds in a fight....not offensive ones. I also questioned the amount of detail SM knew about the alleged scrap involving the old man.
It's obvious you have never met RIO 7. He's around that age and I guarantee you he could lay some "offensive " hurt on you.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your Family. Grieve not, for your father is in a much better place than we are. Celebrate Christ this Christmas, and remember all the good times spent with your father. memtb
Memtb, I'm not asking you specifically, it's just your post was the one on this page.
I have a question for the Christians on the board. Why do Christians have no problem proclaiming judgment when they think a person is going to heaven, but when it's shown that a man was despicable in life, they backtrack and say it's not their place to judge, and that a man's sins are his own?
Sorry if this question derails an otherwise über thread.
One thing I found particularly odd in SM initial post was that his Dad had ..."scarred up knuckles..." It would take quite a blow for an 80 year old man to scar up his knuckles. One would think an 80 year old would have only defensive wounds in a fight....not offensive ones. I also questioned the amount of detail SM knew about the alleged scrap involving the old man.
Hey, I am 81 and I can assure you that us old goats get skinned up pretty easy.
And under the right conditions, I can still get on the offensive side. Not like it used to be but still there.
You ever been whupped by an eighty year old guy?
It might take a little longer but hurts just as much.
Thin, easily torn skin, easily bruised, brittle bones, diabetes, blood pressure issues, etc., etc., all part of aging. If he was taking prescribed blood thinners they can cause hemorrhaging.
I am withholding specific comment until SM sounds in with his defense. If he doesn't I must conclude that what has been spewed on the last hundred pages is true.
I've been good to Mark as he has been to me in our past dealings. I hate to think he is the rascal portrayed here.
I am withholding specific comment until SM sounds in with his defense. If he doesn't I must conclude that what has been spewed on the last hundred pages is true.
I've been good to Mark as he has been to me in our past dealings. I hate to think he is the rascal portrayed here.
I am withholding specific comment until SM sounds in with his defense. If he doesn't I must conclude that what has been spewed on the last hundred pages is true.
I've been good to Mark as he has been to me in our past dealings. I hate to think he is the rascal portrayed here.
I am withholding specific comment until SM sounds in with his defense. If he doesn't I must conclude that what has been spewed on the last hundred pages is true.
I've been good to Mark as he has been to me in our past dealings. I hate to think he is the rascal portrayed here.
He has not replied to my PM...
He hasn't said anything about my elevated status either.
She said the entire staff took turns with Sam's coma-boner prior to his departure.
Merry Christmas,
Dave
In my experience the head nurse is much more open (did I just post that?) to sharing the real story than the intercourse nurse... (Course the anal nurse wasn't tonsil-ulted...errr...I mean consulted...(
Let's recount- SM may or may not have offed his dad, Miss Lynn's mental issues finally surfaced and apparently got her banned, somebody killed Sam, Rob Jordan had no interest in any of it(no cocks), some midget chicks were exploited, and Jorge still hasn't seen enough tit. Sounds about normal- Sooo... MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!
Let's recount- SM may or may not have offed his dad, Miss Lynn's mental issues finally surfaced and apparently got her banned, somebody killed Sam, Rob Jordan had no interest in any of it(no cocks), some midget chicks were exploited, and Jorge still hasn't seen enough tit. Sounds about normal- Sooo... MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!
John
Miss Lynn has not been banned. I have Pm'd her and received PM's back. Where does this come from?
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your Family. Grieve not, for your father is in a much better place than we are. Celebrate Christ this Christmas, and remember all the good times spent with your father. memtb
Memtb, I'm not asking you specifically, it's just your post was the one on this page.
I have a question for the Christians on the board. Why do Christians have no problem proclaiming judgment when they think a person is going to heaven, but when it's shown that a man was despicable in life, they backtrack and say it's not their place to judge, and that a man's sins are his own?
Sorry if this question derails an otherwise über thread.
Maybe he's got better things to do & we're acting as his eyes & ears....
Let's recount- SM may or may not have offed his dad, Miss Lynn's mental issues finally surfaced and apparently got her banned, somebody killed Sam, Rob Jordan had no interest in any of it(no cocks), some midget chicks were exploited, and Jorge still hasn't seen enough tit. Sounds about normal- Sooo... MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!
John
Miss Lynn has not been banned. I have Pm'd her and received PM's back. Where does this come from?
Horse hockey.....you probably don't believe that someone killed Sam either.....
Let's recount- SM may or may not have offed his dad, Miss Lynn's mental issues finally surfaced and apparently got her banned, somebody killed Sam, Rob Jordan had no interest in any of it(no cocks), some midget chicks were exploited, and Jorge still hasn't seen enough tit. Sounds about normal- Sooo... MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!
John
Miss Lynn has not been banned. I have Pm'd her and received PM's back. Where does this come from?
Horse hockey.....you probably don't believe that someone killed Sam either.....
How do we know it's really SamO that posted this AM?
I am withholding specific comment until SM sounds in with his defense. If he doesn't I must conclude that what has been spewed on the last hundred pages is true.
I've been good to Mark as he has been to me in our past dealings. I hate to think he is the rascal portrayed here.
He has not replied to my PM...
He hasn't said anything about my elevated status either.
Let's recount- SM may or may not have offed his dad, Miss Lynn's mental issues finally surfaced and apparently got her banned, somebody killed Sam, Rob Jordan had no interest in any of it(no cocks), some midget chicks were exploited, and Jorge still hasn't seen enough tit. Sounds about normal- Sooo... MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!
John
Miss Lynn has not been banned. I have Pm'd her and received PM's back. Where does this come from?
Horse hockey.....you probably don't believe that someone killed Sam either.....
How do we know it's really SamO that posted this AM?
We need to keep an eye on this "new Sam". See if he mentions 270's.
I thought you was dead.[in best Richard Boone voice]
It's been a tough past few days, multiple attempts to take my life from Midget Ninjas and something that looked like it was from the movie Lord of the rings, only fatter...
He did PM me with a very plausible explanation of why he has not replied.
Since it was a PM I will not post it. I hope he will post it. It may embarrass some but I doubt it.
Oooh ooohhh. Let me guess, his medication has caused him to have some "episodes"......right.
No...it probably said "the police have asked me to not publicly comment about an ongoing investigation"....even though they have "the suspect in custody"....Oh wait...yeah, I forgot...police don't suspect foul play...at least until Mark brought the subject up....hmmm double indemnity....it's got a nice ring to it & even if the police don't find enough "evidence" to charge anybody with Byrons fall....murder, it will be a good point of contention involving any insurance company, that there were enough "suspicious circumstances" to warrant a police investigation into his fathers fall murder....the fact that the police were so inept as to not properly secure the scene...etc. etc.
SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.
The only thing Aces could track is a well hung sloth.
And track he would!
Dave
BURNNNNN!!!
Holy crap that's funny!!
Clyde
JFC. How old are you? Burn???? You really are fuc.king pathetic especially considering that was 24hrs ago, you're the only one that found his pathetic attempt funny
No wonder you've had 2 children with obvious signs of retardation.
How christian of you. This was your first post on this thread.
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SM--I don't have the words. I know how much you must be hurting but I also know your faith will be your guide. Your dad sounds like he lived a good life and will have eternal peace. God bless you and yours.[quote]
And you insult my kids because I laughed at a joke about you.
Christian.....pfttt You're a ffucking joke. You're thin skinned and sensitive. Just like a piece of foreskin.
My offer in my post above stands. 24/7. Let me know.
Gotta love the christians here or those to who profess to be. My neighbor lady reads her bible 13 hours a day and hates the world and her pastor is a child molester.
Thinkin' for those who plan on reaching heaven that taking a gun along might be a good idea.
Ethics and anything involving Mark Claiborne aren't even in the same solar system
Post that schit up
Exactly.
Mark Claiborne HAS no ethics, and no morales. This has been proven - including by various agencies, and now by a bankruptcy court - time and again.
Float the lie filled PM out there and watch how fast Mark's own words, as well as facts, blow a hole right through all of it.
As said many times before, though, all it takes is one DSMFer to fall for any of his sociopathic narcissism and pathological lying, and it continues to enable him right along. The "campfire Christians" are a target rich environment for Claiborne's scams because they refuse to consider that his faith is as fake as the rest of him.
Float the lie filled PM out there and watch how fast Mark's own words, as well as facts, blow a hole right through all of it.
He didn't answer spanks pm as promptly as others because spanky has been rather generous to Mark in the past & mark probably spent some long hours concocting a "plausible" explanation....maybe when he realizes he's been punked, he'll send his "peeps" to get the situation resolved.
I'd hazard a guess that mark has gotten more cash from spanky than anybody else on the fire...that's really gotta be a blow to a guy that thinks he sits above the campfire with his superior intelligence & intellect...
Gotta love the christians here or those to who profess to be. My neighbor lady reads her bible 13 hours a day and hates the world and her pastor is a child molester.
Thinkin' for those who plan on reaching heaven that taking a gun along might be a good idea.
Lmao I'm telling my wife to throw my .45 in the coffin.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers masons/secretive fraternal organizations the elderly/old people handicaps cops alcoholics gullible people People with "people" Secret PM's Angela Lansbury Organ donors Blacks Mexicans Victims of sexual assault/harassment Facebook Hottie's
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
Guys this guy is sick. I mean he really needs some professional help. I will not respond to any Safariman posts henceforth...it's just too depressing. powdr
Ethics and anything involving Mark Claiborne aren't even in the same solar system
Post that schit up
Exactly.
Mark Claiborne HAS no ethics, and no morales. This has been proven - including by various agencies, and now by a bankruptcy court - time and again.
Float the lie filled PM out there and watch how fast Mark's own words, as well as facts, blow a hole right through all of it.
As said many times before, though, all it takes is one DSMFer to fall for any of his sociopathic narcissism and pathological lying, and it continues to enable him right along. The "campfire Christians" are a target rich environment for Claiborne's scams because they refuse to consider that his faith is as fake as the rest of him.
I believe Jesus is the Christ I also believe that safariman is con, a liar, isnt a Christian and is a all around perfect example of a douche/a$$hole. Just sayin. Many would say I'm not a Christian cause I cuss and joke about off color subjects but I had rather not dot all my religious I's and cross all my religious T's and love people than the opposite. Mark is not showing love by conning people and telling lies. No love lost when joking about blow jobs with other guys in an appropriate setting. I have no brotherly feeling toward the man cause his record shows he isn't one of us.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
As a Mason, I am pretty sure the Brothers and I have been besmirched in this thread as well.
Gotta love the christians here or those to who profess to be. My neighbor lady reads her bible 13 hours a day and hates the world and her pastor is a child molester.
Thinkin' for those who plan on reaching heaven that taking a gun along might be a good idea.
Was this meant for me or for Aces? He called out my kids. I never bring religion into any thread.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
You forgot the handicapped. I'm pretty sure I read something about new tennis balls for someone's walker.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
As a Mason, I am pretty sure the Brothers and I have been besmirched in this thread as well.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
As a Mason, I am pretty sure the Brothers and I have been besmirched in this thread as well.
What?
No Cops have been bashed on this thread??
Where's the campfire I know and love?
" I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today. "
That seems to clearly indicate that he was killed by a thug cop who is now hiding in the jail.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
As a Mason, I am pretty sure the Brothers and I have been besmirched in this thread as well.
Don't know about everyone else but besmirching innocent Sloths with big peckers is just over the line.
BTW, love the super secret squirrel PM's from safarichick to spanky, and spanky being too phuqcking stooooopid to figure anything out without his people.
BTW, love the super secret squirrel PM's from safarichick to spanky, and spanky being too phuqcking stooooopid to figure anything out without his people.
Merry Christmas phuqckers!
Careful now, you better prepare for a visit from his "people"
BTW, love the super secret squirrel PM's from safarichick to spanky, and spanky being too phuqcking stooooopid to figure anything out without his people.
Merry Christmas phuqckers!
Careful now, you better prepare for a visit from his "people"
His "people" are everywhere.
They just don't know much about deer-proof fencing.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos Guidos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers masons/secretive fraternal organizations the elderly/old people handicaps cops alcoholics gullible people People with "people" Secret PM's Angela Lansbury Organ donors
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
Updated
Ay, geezadeech?
Per favore, iffa you gonna mayka fun doze Italianos, pleeza mayka the wordza rite, izza Guidos, no "gueedos".
Molto grazie,
Geno
PS, 57 pages now (the way I'm set up), do we think we can beat some others and make it to 100?
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers masons/secretive fraternal organizations the elderly/old people handicaps cops alcoholics gullible people People with "people" Secret PM's Angela Lansbury Organ donors
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers masons/secretive fraternal organizations the elderly/old people handicaps cops alcoholics gullible people People with "people" Secret PM's Angela Lansbury Organ donors
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
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You left my blonde hottie I posted off the list. I'm hurt.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
Did you even read the damn thread. I never once proclaimed to be anything Christian, atheist, or agnostic. Aces was the one bringing up prayers for SM's dad. Then he brings my kids into the conversation because I laughed at a joke about him. FFuck that. Got it Ffuck that. I never claimed to be Christian, or give a [bleep] about turning the other cheek. He can kiss me right between the two cheeks though.
I do notice, the hypocrite hasn't responded back though. You might want to rethink that whole nasty mouth Christian thing you brought up. I have never run a man's family down.
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
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You left my blonde hottie I posted off the list. I'm hurt.
No one want's to make fun of that young lady, wyoelk....
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
No blacks or Mexicans!?
Quick, somebody get Eyeball and/or Rockkinbar...
I got this,,, what does a fat white girl and a brick have in common?
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
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You left my blonde hottie I posted off the list. I'm hurt.
In all fairness, I think the hottie you posted missed the criteria to be included in the "made fun of" category..... just sayin'
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
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You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
Updated to reflect another three pages of callous and unrepentant mocking
Mark has earned all of callous comments that can ever be posted. How can you have any respect for a person who attempts to leverage a parent's death for the sympathy value?
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
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Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
Updated to reflect another three pages of callous and unrepentant mocking
Mark has earned all of callous comments that can ever be posted. How can you have any respect for a person who attempts to leverage a parent's death for the sympathy value?
You're worried about being unethical in this thread??!!
So far we've made fun of: A dead man His family in mourning Christians God Gays Midgets/little people Children Old ladies Retards Aetheists Hypocrites Psychopaths Sociopaths Italians(gueedos) Nurses .270's Ranchers Christmas Divorcees People with multiple marriages Sloths with big peckers masons/secretive fraternal organizations the elderly/old people handicaps cops alcoholics gullible people People with "people" Secret PM's Angela Lansbury Organ donors Blacks Mexicans Victims of sexual assault/harassment Facebook Hottie's
Ethics are out the [bleep] door dumbass, post the PM so we can have a good laugh.
Your ethics may be out the door but mine aren't. No post without Mark's permission.
Thank you, I appreciate that. But for that simple statement:
Be assured you will get hounded and pounded by the cartel of cretins here that have naught to do but denigrate the Great Spanokopitas and others who threaten their tenuous grasp on reality.
Thank you, I appreciate that. But for that simple statement:
Be assured you will get hounded and pounded by the cartel of cretins here that have naught to do but denigrate the Great Spanokopitas and others who threaten their tenuous grasp on reality.
May peace be upon you and yours.
If you trust or believe in Mark, you're the one with a tenuous grip on reality. The guy lies and lies and lies some more, so if you get played, you only have yourself to blame, 'cause the truth has been shared.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!
My kids are out the yard having a light saber fight, silent night, jedi knight.
Thank you, I appreciate that. But for that simple statement:
Be assured you will get hounded and pounded by the cartel of cretins here that have naught to do but denigrate the Great Spanokopitas and others who threaten their tenuous grasp on reality.
Thank you, I appreciate that. But for that simple statement:
Be assured you will get hounded and pounded by the cartel of cretins here that have naught to do but denigrate the Great Spanokopitas and others who threaten their tenuous grasp on reality.
May peace be upon you and yours.
Maybe you should re read that last sentence you typed...if that came from mark...well...what else would you expect him to say to his "Great Benefactor"???? Since it's not in the "PM" maybe the "Great Spanokopitas" could share with the fire just how much he/she is in the tank $ cash wise with Marks "FUNDRAISERS"...I know you'll feel duped & embarrassed, but you shouldn't...he's a con...that's what they do...
In case you hadn't noticed spanky, many who have defended him in the past, finally read through enough threads from the past, to finally see the light.
Thank you, I appreciate that. But for that simple statement:
Be assured you will get hounded and pounded by the cartel of cretins here that have naught to do but denigrate the Great Spanokopitas and others who threaten their tenuous grasp on reality.
May peace be upon you and yours.
My god....I bet you jerk of in front of a mirror
He needs to go to the Doc. & get the colon checked for smoke damage...
I am not defending SM. I am simply stating the facts of my association with him.
Yes, I loaned him a small sum which he more than paid back.
I have had private communications with him the most recent of which was yesterday. I will not publish those communications (or any other private communications) unless I have specific permission.
When judging a person I go by my personal experience not herd mentality. Others here would do well to follow that rubric.
You see there is a small group of weasels here who pounce on anyone who does not exactly fit their dark lifescript. And, unfortunately there are many who don't have the brains to refute those weasels so they echo the garbage spewed by the few.
I am not defending SM. I am simply stating the facts of my association with him.
Yes, I loaned him a small sum which he more than paid back.
I have had private communications with him the most recent of which was yesterday. I will not publish those communications (or any other private communications) unless I have specific permission.
When judging a person I go by my personal experience not herd mentality. Others here would do well to follow that rubric.
You see there is a small group of weasels here who pounce on anyone who does not exactly fit their dark lifescript. And, unfortunately there are many who don't have the brains to refute those weasels so they echo the garbage spewed by the few.
Record of fact presented by Court speaks volumes of Claiborne character... if you choose to align your self with con men who have been convicted of fraudulent business purposes not to mention that those same issues dealt with conning old people out of their savings, well quite possibly your character is no better than his
I had always figured when one spoke of Greek sex, it referred to one having a little "head" inserted up your rectum...apparently that just isn't the case in your instance
When judging a person I go by my personal experience not herd mentality. Others here would do well to follow that rubric.
You see there is a small group of weasels here who pounce on anyone who does not exactly fit their dark lifescript. And, unfortunately there are many who don't have the brains to refute those weasels so they echo the garbage spewed by the few.
While this place may not be short on weasels, I think enough lies and screwing of the general membership has occurred by this one individual that any efforts to bring these actions to the attention of the other members would simply be classified as Crime Prevention.
It was self inflicted by SM by his very own actions. Repeatedly.
I personally don't GAF whether you post the PM or not.
If Mark had any self respect, integrity, or truth left in him, he would gladly come back and post facts that support what he has said and done... I know if it were me that was done any injustice, I damn sure would.
Have a Merry Christmas Spanky. But I think you'd enjoy it more if you opened your eyes a bit.
I am not defending SM. I am simply stating the facts of my association with him.
Yes, I loaned him a small sum which he more than paid back.
I have had private communications with him the most recent of which was yesterday. I will not publish those communications (or any other private communications) unless I have specific permission.
When judging a person I go by my personal experience not herd mentality. Others here would do well to follow that rubric.
You see there is a small group of weasels here who pounce on anyone who does not exactly fit their dark lifescript. And, unfortunately there are many who don't have the brains to refute those weasels so they echo the garbage spewed by the few.
That is to say, more simply put, that you are a part of his con, but don't have the brains to see it, and choose to remain in denial of how you help SM cheat others.
Thank you, I appreciate that. But for that simple statement:
Be assured you will get hounded and pounded by the cartel of cretins here that have naught to do but denigrate the Great Spanokopitas and others who threaten their tenuous grasp on reality.
May peace be upon you and yours.
My god....I bet you jerk of in front of a mirror
He needs to go to the Doc. & get the colon checked for smoke damage...
Hahahahaha! First laugh of the morning! Merry Christmas!
all you need to do is understand the concept of The Long Con. i know people who have run the con for decades and people defend them because they have never personally been screwed and may even have benefited. Sociopaths are usually pretty smart and will groom cohorts much like pedophiles groom victims. the bottom line is that eventually the grooming and con ends and the screwing begins. i have read enough about this particular individual to recognize what is going on. many "religious" people exhibit this behavior as do some insurance agents and financial advisers.
I am not defending SM. I am simply stating the facts of my association with him.
]Yes, I loaned him a small sum which he more than paid back.
Which is all well and good, and also right and proper. But to do so in willful ignorance of his public record of fraud and deceit is is either deliberately disingenuous or outright collusion, amigo!
I too was reluctant to pounce on SoFarILieMan for some time, but after his braggart's post about ass-shooting that bear and inveigling a respected member into finishing his kill for him, I chose to look at the PUBLIC record of his frauds, and at that point all sympathy, Christian charity, and forebearance on my part ceased.
As for letting one's personal experience serve as the guiding light for one's opinion of a man: I know an old man quite well who, as a small boy, was delighted to have both Adolf Hitler and Herman Goering give him presents at Christmas at his parent's home in Berlin. He says they were delightful men and he was very fond of them, particularly "Uncle Herman".
Even a monster can be charming when he wants to be.
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas
I have had private communications with him the most recent of which was yesterday. I will not publish those communications (or any other private communications) unless I have specific permission.
When judging a person I go by my personal experience not herd mentality. Others here would do well to follow that rubric.
Damn strange use of the word "rubric". But hey, whatever works for you.
all you need to do is understand the concept of The Long Con. i know people who have run the con for decades and people defend them because they have never personally been screwed and may even have benefited. Sociopaths are usually pretty smart and will groom cohorts much like pedophiles groom victims. the bottom line is that eventually the grooming and con ends and the screwing begins. i have read enough about this particular individual to recognize what is going on. many "religious" people exhibit this behavior as do some insurance agents and financial advisers.
But spanky is super smart...besides he has these...
To my understanding it never was much of a secret that once he had recovered from the transplant surgery and his new donor kidney was functioning properly, he was to undergo a second surgery to remove his original defective kidney(s). It makes sense that that is likely what his surgery of a few days ago was for, as well as why he did not reply immediately.
Regarding the "herd mentality" comment, well beyond hearsay and innuendo, his official documented record as an insurance/annuity salesman is extremely revealing as to his personal scruples and integrity.
...The evidence also established that Mr. Claiborne made false statements, as well as an untimely response to the Division, including statements under oath, in an attempt to shield himself from liability for his conduct. His statements to investigators were often self-serving, contradictory, and contrary to all other available evidence. Given those false statements, the Division can have no assurance that Mr. Claiborne will fully cooperate with any future investigations that might arise. Mr. Claiborne has thus demonstrated a willingness to deceive other insurance companies, the Division, and most importantly, the consumers, to serve his own interests. Because the Division cannot rely on Mr. Claiborne to tell the truth, its ability to effectively regulate his conduct to protect consumers in the future will be severely restricted. Given the evidence in this matter, the ALJ concluded that the appropriate sanction is revocation. ORS 744.074(1) allows the Division to revoke Mr. Claiborne‟s license. The Division takes seriously its responsibility to protect the public from unscrupulous licensees. Mr. Claiborne‟s license has already been suspended once for similar misconduct. (Ex. A1.) Given his prior discipline and level of misconduct at issue here, the Division finds that the only appropriate sanction is the revocation2 of Mr. Claiborne‟s license....
Let's here your point, and I'll be happy to provide you with ample evidence of Claiborne's true character. I know him far better than you and almost any others here.
I felt the same as you until I got the last PM from him the other day...hell, I even offered to give him a kidney if it would be a good match...in the PM, he flat out lied about the "suspect" being in custody & when called out on it, he deflected by saying that the police had asked him to not comment on an ongoing investigation... there WAS no ongoing investigation & there was no "suspect" in custody...hint... (there was no murder)...getting on line & embellishing your fathers death by saying it was murder in order to solicit sympathy & or compassion is just too sad on too many levels.
Mark had always been straight up with me & we'd done a couple of deals face to face & I've been to his dads place a few times...but after reading this thread I started following the links...then I started using google...that's when the chit slinging on these threads started making sense, so I PM'd him...what I got in reply was EXACTLY what I expected...I'm just glad I FINALLY opened my eyes...the ass hole is a chitbag...
No one should have to make any excuses or disclaimers regarding Safariman in order to express condolences and prayers to the family of a man's dead father, without being attacked, mocked, and accused by a bunch of self righteous rounders who know no bounds of human decency or when to shut up.
I'm not addressing anyone here in particular and some who I am, I still have a great deal of respect for.
Prayer's for us all, we all come up short. - Pee Wee
You are certainly correct that no family should ever have part of them dishonesty and untruthful individuals that know no conscience in cyber and Christian scamming. I feel sorry for them and for my fellow 24CF brother and sisters that have endured his lies and scams for these oh so many years. And yes I have been the victim. Do I forgive, yes. Do I forget, NO. Do I fall short, Yes. And God will Judge me,
Go wag your keyboard and greater than thou attitude somewhere else,
No one should have to make any excuses or disclaimers regarding Safariman in order to express condolences and prayers to the family of a man's dead father, without being attacked, mocked, and accused by a bunch of self righteous rounders who know no bounds of human decency or when to shut up.
I'm not addressing anyone here in particular and some who I am, I still have a great deal of respect for.
Prayer's for us all, we all come up short. - Pee Wee
Some of us come up short on purpose. Hell with them, I say.
You are certainly correct that no family should ever have part of them dishonesty and untruthful individuals that know no conscience in cyber and Christian scamming. I feel sorry for them and for my fellow 24CF brother and sisters that have endured his lies and scams for these oh so many years. And yes I have been the victim. Do I forgive, yes. Do I forget, NO. Do I fall short, Yes. And God will Judge me,
Go wag your keyboard and greater than thou attitude somewhere else,
I have to chuckle at those who "forgive but not forget". That's not forgiving in my book and shouldn't be in anyone else's either.
If I forget what SM did that means I did not and will not learn from the experience. If I do not learn then I am thus likely to repeat and I surely don't want to do that. Do you not learn from your bad experiences?
I have to chuckle at those who "forgive but not forget". That's not forgiving in my book and shouldn't be in anyone else's either.
That's your opinion and definitely not mine. Look back in time and bring up some deed committed by somebody that you honestly forgave them for. Do you remember what the infraction was? Sure you do.
Forgiving and forgetting are not the same thing. I don't chuckle at you, I laugh at your statement.
Holding a grudge is something else. If you are guilty of that, then you haven't forgiven the offender.
I have never posted on the Safariman Debacle threads, mostly sit back and watch the show. I have been contacted by SM and he was very congenial and offered several times to host myself and anyone I would bring to Washington to stay with him and he would take us shooting.
I thought this was a nice gesture and though I never took him up on it, I thought it was real. He sent me a CD of his Gospel group and songs they sang, another nice gesture.
After all the drama and years of new kidneys, I am slow to learn, but must admit, I was duped into thinking he was a good guy.
If you look at his profile, he has a pretty impressive gallery of groupies that have attached themselves to his profile. I don't even understand what that is about or how they do it, but it is a distinguished list.
I saw this thread in it's infancy and immediately called Travis to see if he was on the Campfire. He wasn't but soon landed here with his usual insight. Now, about a week later, this thing has turned into a righteous mini-series 12 episode drama.
I will just add my 2 cents and say, I must have been beguiled by the same slick tongue and woe-is-me posting, thinking he was an unlucky fellow. Now I wonder who and what he really is, and whether or not he should sincerely be incarcerated or institutionalized.
Having lost a daughter to cancer, I can tell you the last thing I was thinking about, was to come to the Campfire and post about it. Seeing Mark do so within hours of his father's murder just doesn't compute. I was taken back by his cavalier attitude of his father's death, to post this joke of a thread, that alone smells worse than most of the rest of his deceptions.
This is a lie and maybe even a crime. I don't care what kind of a kidney transplant or new gun he needs, I will never believe anything he says, and this kind of attention to a lying cheat with all the chicken cackling for 80 pages demeans the Campfire just another notch...
There is no upcoming event, nor particular point in time, that will bring this thread to a conclusion, it will just have to get so boring to the participants that they abandon it.
That will cue Claiborne to post something which will give it new life.
I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps trotting this stuff out here. He must really enjoy getting publicly ridiculed, that's all I can figure. I can't imagine that there's anyone out here still buying this crap. This is one time where it would b a good thing Ric to just hook this pathetic excuse for a man and get him TF out of here.
I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps trotting this stuff out here. He must really enjoy getting publicly ridiculed, that's all I can figure. I can't imagine that there's anyone out here still buying this crap. This is one time where it would b a good thing Ric to just hook this pathetic excuse for a man and get him TF out of here.
There will always be people out there that will "buy his crap". SM has been singing this song for years and there is always someone willing to pay the piper.
I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps trotting this stuff out here. He must really enjoy getting publicly ridiculed, that's all I can figure. I can't imagine that there's anyone out here still buying this crap. This is one time where it would b a good thing Ric to just hook this pathetic excuse for a man and get him TF out of here.
Been wondering the same thing myself for quite some time.
Safariman quote: Just being a part of the conversations here, like I have been doing for 10 years and almost 30,000 posts.I am not going away any time soon. Safariman
For once, we'd be safe in betting the farm on Claiborne being true to his word.
I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps trotting this stuff out here. He must really enjoy getting publicly ridiculed, that's all I can figure. I can't imagine that there's anyone out here still buying this crap. This is one time where it would b a good thing Ric to just hook this pathetic excuse for a man and get him TF out of here.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why the mods haven't given him a lifelong vacation.
this thread is just reflective of human nature. Kind of like a fenderbender on the freeway, and everybody slows down ten miles behind the crash to gawk at the scene.
Claiborne's best chance at redemption here on the Campfire is to con his way into a LEO job. He will instantly have a horde of BFF's.
No, what he needs to do is TRULY find Jesus. Apparently the most miserable SOB's become wonderful men when they have no one left that will talk to them but Jesus.
I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps trotting this stuff out here. He must really enjoy getting publicly ridiculed, that's all I can figure. I can't imagine that there's anyone out here still buying this crap. This is one time where it would b a good thing Ric to just hook this pathetic excuse for a man and get him TF out of here.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why the mods haven't given him a lifelong vacation.
Claiborne's best chance at redemption here on the Campfire is to con his way into a LEO job. He will instantly have a horde of BFF's.
No, what he needs to do is TRULY find Jesus. Apparently the most miserable SOB's become wonderful men when they have no one left that will talk to them but Jesus.
Steelhead is correct professing to live a chritian life and actually doing so are not one and the same. Actions speak louder than words, no need to broadcast your goodness.
Been over a week now and this is the closest thing I've seen so far to a funeral home obituary announcement for Safariman's father. No mention of actual funeral or memorial services, scheduled or pending. Reckon they're postponing everything until investigation/autopsy results are concluded in order to appease Safariman's foul play suspicions/theories. IIRC the newspaper story someone posted in this thread earlier said an investigation could take weeks.
Mark messaged me yesterday. I had given him a chance to explain himself, and what he said more of the same bullschidt. I asked him why no public record, in newspaper or otherwise is available regarding this alleged murder and he never answered the question. He wanted my phone number to send me pictures of his father after the attack, which I found rather macabre. The last thing I want this swindler to have is my phone number.
I'm not one to normally do this...but under the circumstances...
I asked for the perps name...was told ..."I am being told not to disclose a name, as there are two prime suspects who live at the building. The investigation is continuing." ...I replied that...."I thought you posted that a suspect had been arrested?" He replied..."One has, to the best of my knowledge. The discovery of all of this has not been my first priority on my whirlwind trip down and back. My siblings who live down there and who are the POA's and Successor trustee are keeping me out of the loop here a bit regarding the investigation to prevent me from excorsizing the kind of rebuke and revenge that I would be so likely to mete out if I knew for certain that ________________ did this deed. They are doing their best to keep ME out of prison for severely beating - likely unto death - a man who is merely a suspect until the courts find him guilty or not.
As I proccess thier dire warnings, I have decided to let the system and courts play this one out, for now."
I've met Mark a couple times....been to his dads place a few times & met some of his childhood friends...they all seemed like decent people to me...and all the deals I've done with him have been fair & square...I never read all of the notorious threads, but did read bits & pieces back when they were originally posted...that said...I'm still sitting here shaking my head in disbelief... Bizarre is a mild description of what I've learned about him in this thread...
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My siblings who live down there and who are the POA's and Successor trustee...
Considering his track record with financial matters, this particular statement he made in the above quote Middlefork_Miner said he received via PM from Safariman sure does in my view imply how trustworthy his family feels he would be given the oppertunity.
He probably refused bail, seeing as how jail is the only thing protecting him from a severe beating- likely unto death.
LOL...I know it would be impossible since Safariman is all that is man, BUT, wouldn't it be more than you could handle if it turned out the "Perp" was also the biggest man in his quartet and delivered some judicious kidney shots during the ruckus.
he took pics of his dad after the beating? and would send them to someone on the internet? unfuggen real. but then again i seem to remember him taking pics of some poor woman who was on her deathbead and posting them here too. it was macabre and shocking and a complete invasion of her privacy. there is something seriously, seriously wrong with this dude.
I have been following the SM threads since my recent subscription to the fire in Jan 2009.
I don't remember ever responding to any of the threads, until now, because I have an aversion to "piling on" and dropping "f-bombs" on people, even those culprits who are probably deserving.
When I first saw the title of this thread on day one, I immediately opened it and was astonished at the claims SM was making. However, my red flag went up, when just minutes after announcing his father had been murdered, he went to video of him and his father singing gospel music, and then pointing out his specific position on the video ("I'm on the far right"} which drew attention to him and was a sort of self-aggrandation about himself . . . and he had just witnessed the murder of his father?
I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps trotting this stuff out here. He must really enjoy getting publicly ridiculed, that's all I can figure. I can't imagine that there's anyone out here still buying this crap. This is one time where it would b a good thing Ric to just hook this pathetic excuse for a man and get him TF out of here.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why the mods haven't given him a lifelong vacation.
Because this thread alone has generated over 88K page views, and advertising revenue is generated by page views.
From at least 1997 through the present, Defendant Claiborne has subjected female tenants of the subject properties to discrimination on the basis of sex, including severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment. Such conduct has included, but is not limited to, unwanted verbal sexual advances; unwanted sexual touching; conditioning the terms and conditions of women's tenancy on the granting of sexual favors; entering the apartment of women tenants without permission or notice; threatening and taking steps to evict or take other adverse action against female tenants and prospective tenants when they refused or objected to his sexual advances; and refusing to permit women tenants to have overnight guests or imposing extra rental fees and restrictions on such guests while not placing such restrictions on overnight guests of male tenants.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come!
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge. LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
From at least 1997 through the present, Defendant Claiborne has subjected female tenants of the subject properties to discrimination on the basis of sex, including severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment. Such conduct has included, but is not limited to, unwanted verbal sexual advances; unwanted sexual touching; conditioning the terms and conditions of women's tenancy on the granting of sexual favors; entering the apartment of women tenants without permission or notice; threatening and taking steps to evict or take other adverse action against female tenants and prospective tenants when they refused or objected to his sexual advances; and refusing to permit women tenants to have overnight guests or imposing extra rental fees and restrictions on such guests while not placing such restrictions on overnight guests of male tenants.
From at least 1997 through the present, Defendant Claiborne has subjected female tenants of the subject properties to discrimination on the basis of sex, including severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment. Such conduct has included, but is not limited to, unwanted verbal sexual advances; unwanted sexual touching; conditioning the terms and conditions of women's tenancy on the granting of sexual favors; entering the apartment of women tenants without permission or notice; threatening and taking steps to evict or take other adverse action against female tenants and prospective tenants when they refused or objected to his sexual advances; and refusing to permit women tenants to have overnight guests or imposing extra rental fees and restrictions on such guests while not placing such restrictions on overnight guests of male tenants.
Seems like integrity is the fabric of family with the Claibornes.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come!
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge. LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come!
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge. LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
Is that really a quote from Mark?
Looks like it is excerpts from SM's Facebook rant.
And so what to do with all of this now? Well, as much as it is possible I would say to the things that I saw that hurt the most... THIS SIN STOPS HERE! NOW! NO MORE! SO HELP ME GOD! And I mean this, just as I have meant it every other time I have muttered it in the past and this has been often. And praise be to GOD for the wars and battles won so far! Many, many wins and More to come!
Forgiveness. I had to ad this one after I had typed all the rest, it is the hardest for me right now. This dad was very good at, but for me even as I type this I am having to deal with my own desire to squeeze the very life out of his attacker while watching him and making him look into my eyes as he dies. Some of you heard me even express this over the weekend. Forgive me, I shall do no such thing. My father would not have had it! I cannot and shall not do this as well (though you all know that I am quite capable) because "Vengence is MINE sayeth the Lord, I will repay" And if God can and has forgiven us for what WE did to HIS son..... No, I must forgive. God please help me. And may we find out that this event was, indeed an accident. Even though it does not look as one right now. Accident or not, I must forgive and leave the rest to the only true and righteous judge. LOVE for God and family expressed by how I spend my time and my money
Is that really a quote from Mark?
Looks like it is excerpts from SM's Facebook rant.
Claiborne's best chance at redemption here on the Campfire is to con his way into a LEO job. He will instantly have a horde of BFF's.
Clairborne better meets your requirements for BFF (and in your case that doesn't mean Best Friends Forever) as he has attended Campfire hunts, which you continually throw out as some kind of qualifier, so sounds like the kind of MAN who would be welcome around your fire, but even he probably has standards.
Claiborne's best chance at redemption here on the Campfire is to con his way into a LEO job. He will instantly have a horde of BFF's.
Clairborne better meets your requirements for BFF (and in your case that doesn't mean Best Friends Forever) as he has attended Campfire hunts, which you continually throw out as some kind of qualifier, so sounds like the kind of MAN who would be welcome around your fire, but even he probably has standards.
Heheheheheheheh...
Maybe safari was a chronic drunk too. Old cur and safari could really bond then.
Just imagine all the big and important stories that would come from those two sitting next to each other at the bar.
Could someone provide a citation to this quote? Claireborne is a somewhat common name. If this is not Mark Claireborne (aka Safariman) why promulgate it?
From at least 1997 through the present, Defendant Claiborne has subjected female tenants of the subject properties to discrimination on the basis of sex, including severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment. Such conduct has included, but is not limited to, unwanted verbal sexual advances; unwanted sexual touching; conditioning the terms and conditions of women's tenancy on the granting of sexual favors; entering the apartment of women tenants without permission or notice; threatening and taking steps to evict or take other adverse action against female tenants and prospective tenants when they refused or objected to his sexual advances; and refusing to permit women tenants to have overnight guests or imposing extra rental fees and restrictions on such guests while not placing such restrictions on overnight guests of male tenants.
Could someone provide a citation to this quote? Claireborne is a somewhat common name. If this is not Mark Claireborne (aka Safariman) why promulgate it?
From at least 1997 through the present, Defendant Claiborne has subjected female tenants of the subject properties to discrimination on the basis of sex, including severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment. Such conduct has included, but is not limited to, unwanted verbal sexual advances; unwanted sexual touching; conditioning the terms and conditions of women's tenancy on the granting of sexual favors; entering the apartment of women tenants without permission or notice; threatening and taking steps to evict or take other adverse action against female tenants and prospective tenants when they refused or objected to his sexual advances; and refusing to permit women tenants to have overnight guests or imposing extra rental fees and restrictions on such guests while not placing such restrictions on overnight guests of male tenants.
If you were paying attention, you would see where this is from previously linked to legal documents.
Could someone provide a citation to this quote? Claireborne is a somewhat common name. If this is not Mark Claireborne (aka Safariman) why promulgate it?
From at least 1997 through the present, Defendant Claiborne has subjected female tenants of the subject properties to discrimination on the basis of sex, including severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment. Such conduct has included, but is not limited to, unwanted verbal sexual advances; unwanted sexual touching; conditioning the terms and conditions of women's tenancy on the granting of sexual favors; entering the apartment of women tenants without permission or notice; threatening and taking steps to evict or take other adverse action against female tenants and prospective tenants when they refused or objected to his sexual advances; and refusing to permit women tenants to have overnight guests or imposing extra rental fees and restrictions on such guests while not placing such restrictions on overnight guests of male tenants.
If you were paying attention, you would see where this is from previously linked to legal documents.
Pardon his mistake, his "people" were on vacation for the holidays, it's hard to read everything when you are on your own!
Could someone provide a citation to this quote? Claireborne is a somewhat common name. If this is not Mark Claireborne (aka Safariman) why promulgate it?
From at least 1997 through the present, Defendant Claiborne has subjected female tenants of the subject properties to discrimination on the basis of sex, including severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment. Such conduct has included, but is not limited to, unwanted verbal sexual advances; unwanted sexual touching; conditioning the terms and conditions of women's tenancy on the granting of sexual favors; entering the apartment of women tenants without permission or notice; threatening and taking steps to evict or take other adverse action against female tenants and prospective tenants when they refused or objected to his sexual advances; and refusing to permit women tenants to have overnight guests or imposing extra rental fees and restrictions on such guests while not placing such restrictions on overnight guests of male tenants.
Go back to the beginning and reread.
IIRC, that's from the link Steelhead found references Byron, Claiborne (aka murdered guy) - Safariman's father.
Typical Safariman drama. So the old man pulled a William Holden, had a fainting spell and on the way down hit the edge of a table/counter and morted himself, so the con-man tries to turn it into a murder. He's a dangerous loser with no shame or morals and is obviously trying to curry favor to mitigate his upcoming legal mess.
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anything else?????
this guy has a jammed packed life needs to get the dragon voice program and write a book.
You forgot bankruptcy fraud, likely tax fraud, solicitation of felony firearm transfers (passing off a C&R as an O1, interstate sales/ receipt of handguns without going through an FFL, violations of Washington state firearms laws, etc.), and several court cases in Walla Walla for failure to pay debts owed. Likely more than that, too.
In the interest of fairness (not to Safariman, who's been outed), but to his father, I have seen a "Consent Order" like that (although not in a federal court), that a friend had to sign to avoid thousands in attorney fees.
He had a rental property open.
It was a walk-up, no steps.
He took out an ad in the paper which had the usual terms, but he added the phrase: "No steps, perfect for an older person."
The paper tried to warn him but he wouldn't listen.
Prosecuted by some City look-busy EEO department, I believe, for discrimination, preferring older people.
Nobody complained, apparently these a$$holes are paid to read the classifieds to drum up business.
Had to hire an attorney. Then he had a choice.
Pay attorney at least $5K, and probably lose anyway; or
Sign a "Consent Order" never to do that again, and get (hello USSR) *retraining* to prevent future occurrences.
He actually had to attend classes, taught by the SAME A$$HOLES AT THE CITY THAT PROSECUTED HIM. The gist of the classes was: Next time let the paper write the ad, idiot.
So, it *may* be that economic reasons, rather than facts, resulted in a settlement.
Posted out of courtesy for a guy I didn't know that can't defend himself.
And no, SAFARIMAN, I'm not takin up for you, A$$HOLE, SO DON'T PM me askin for $.
So was the man who died and the man named in the harassment case one and the same? If so how is that relevant to the OP?
Yes....It's relevant because Mark made it relevant in posting what a saint his father was...(reread the op)...the entire op was nothing short of a lie...other than the fact his father died...
gunsales Harleys operations kidneys classified ripoffs camper post op recovery murder dad the perv landlord insurance scams world class safari hunts didn't he shoot a water cistern also
anything else?????
this guy has a jammed packed life needs to get the dragon voice program and write a book.
If I may - and, still my favorite.......
Originally Posted by safariman
Between the poison in my system from my failing kidneys and the constant barrage of painkillers my cognition is also suffering and this causes me great distress as my IQ at one time was 148
I've read this thread with great interest since it was posted.
I have never directly talked to SM in any regard so I think I can look at it a bit objectively.
First, what son who isn't a complete asshat wouldn't want to "saintify" his father immediately after an untimely death
and given the unexpected and immediacy of the death, I also believe its easier (although though not entirely rational) to suspect foul play.
My wife's father died unexpectedly several years ago and one of her sisters was convinced, his devoted wife who more or less worshiped this man poisoned him. It came out of left field and it was motivated by the shock and grief she was experiencing. Calmer heads prevailed and she realized how off the reservation her thought processes were.
It would seem to me given the history of SM's rather colorful life - when drama doesn't come naturally, its created artificially - that perhaps he lacks those calmer heads prevailing in his life to keep him within the lanes.
Given SM's history here, as soon as I read the thread title, I strongly suspected this thread would eventually go in this direction - knowing that after a day or so of internet digging by forum members, the online information most likely wouldn't match the narrative provided in the OP.
Did you [not] also read his Facebook post? Which told a completely different tale?
no, I'm not *that* interested - and to be honest, I've been hit or miss with reading the posts on this thread after it got to about 20 pages - even though its very entertaining, I have a hard time staying in the weeds when there is this much detail - especially as this has happened while I am on extended vacation
Between the poison in my system from my failing kidneys and the constant barrage of painkillers my cognition is also suffering and this causes me great distress as my IQ at one time was 148
gunsales Harleys operations kidneys classified ripoffs camper post op recovery murder dad the perv landlord insurance scams world class safari hunts didn't he shoot a water cistern also
anything else?????
this guy has a jammed packed life needs to get the dragon voice program and write a book.
gunsales Harleys operations kidneys classified ripoffs camper post op recovery murder dad the perv landlord insurance scams world class safari hunts didn't he shoot a water cistern also
anything else?????
this guy has a jammed packed life needs to get the dragon voice program and write a book.
Yes. Gospel Singer of no small reknown.
She-ite, How many of YOU bastids on here have written a Christian Heavy Metal Rock Opera?
Written, Produced, Directed, Built, Filmed and Starring.......Yourself.
gunsales Harleys operations kidneys classified ripoffs camper post op recovery murder dad the perv landlord insurance scams world class safari hunts didn't he shoot a water cistern also
anything else?????
this guy has a jammed packed life needs to get the dragon voice program and write a book.
Yes. Gospel Singer of no small reknown.
Forgot the bear shot in the ass and hauled out with almost a mile of winch cable
One thing for sure, God is patient. Had I been him, I would have struck safariman dead long time ago. I can't believe a person would stoop low enough to claim his dad was murdered, and truthfully he just passed due to health problems. I'd be in great fear of karma.
Yep, losing ones parent is horrible as it is, but to announce it in such a way as was done, well I just have to shake my head.
And his wife even lists her occupation as mental health, she of all people should be able to help the man
They are quite well off now if you can believe what she wrote herself, or at least alludes to things being better. And he has posted about buying more stuff and such.
"It's called a significant work promotion Remguy. Hard work pays off, or at least it did with my employer. Not just a significant pay increase, but a great benefit package. Dedication, hard work, and the grace of God... smile"
Yep, losing ones parent is horrible as it is, but to announce it in such a way as was done, well I just have to shake my head. ....
So do I...there is a real disconnect with reality to post such stuff online. This four-five year journey that most of us have witnssed here has been all about attention, the crazier the posting the better, in his thinking.
Between the poison in my system from my failing kidneys and the constant barrage of painkillers my cognition is also suffering and this causes me great distress as my IQ at one time was 148
It looks like it is more like 14.
must have been grading on a curve with other insurance people
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anything else????? Don't forget his daughter & the big black guy that was going to breed their own football team.Trouble is ,she gave it to the black & he never came back.
this guy has a jammed packed life needs to get the dragon voice program and write a book.
Yes. Gospel Singer of no small reknown.
Forgot the bear shot in the ass and hauled out with almost a mile of winch cable
Yep, losing ones parent is horrible as it is, but to announce it in such a way as was done, well I just have to shake my head. ....
So do I...there is a real disconnect with reality to post such stuff online. This four-five year journey that most of us have witnssed here has been all about attention, the crazier the posting the better, in his thinking.
Very sad. It isn't normal by any stretch.
Broomd, I think u r exactly right. Makes me think he didn't receive enough attention as a child or something .
Yep, losing ones parent is horrible as it is, but to announce it in such a way as was done, well I just have to shake my head. ....
So do I...there is a real disconnect with reality to post such stuff online. This four-five year journey that most of us have witnssed here has been all about attention, the crazier the posting the better, in his thinking.
Very sad. It isn't normal by any stretch.
Broomd, I think u r exactly right. Makes me think he didn't receive enough attention as a child or something .
Holy chit, unbelievable. I think he is playing some kind of sick game with folks on the Fire. No one is dumb enough to think such a lie would go uncovered.
Originally Posted by safariman
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
There are only two questions: who could possibly care, and why. Take the highroad and turn away from this train wreck.
Exactly. My God, why do we need to revive this? What's next? Discussion on the disappearance of the Lindbergh baby? Hike your skirts up and find something else to gossip about ladies.
There are only two questions: who could possibly care, and why. Take the highroad and turn away from this train wreck.
Exactly. My God, why do we need to revive this? What's next? Discussion on the disappearance of the Lindbergh baby? Hike your skirts up and find something else to gossip about ladies.
Interesting that the judge in this case was a bankruptcy lawyer here in Yakima in the late eighties. He handled my Chapter 12. Haven't seen or heard of him since until now.
MAN! I am so sorry to read this. It hits me in the guts hard.
I pray for Jesus to give you healing and joy in the midst of this horrid event. Only the security and joy that comes from God Himself can overcome and beat back the sorrow of something this bad. But God is good and eternity is a long time. Joy everlasting is what true Christians have promised to them.
MAN! I am so sorry to read this. It hits me in the guts hard.
I pray for Jesus to give you healing and joy in the midst of this horrid event. Only the security and joy that comes from God Himself can overcome and beat back the sorrow of something this bad. But God is good and eternity is a long time. Joy everlasting is what true Christians have promised to them.
YEAH! Dawg! Wat HE said.... HOOO-LEY JEBUS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aaaaay-Men!
Otoh, he never pushed for the overthrow of our nation like some of the paramours of the dark forces of evil we deal with here daily. Some who sneakily act as our friends and support those who are working to take our 2A away and take our tax money and give to illegal aliens and support those who give them the vote.
Otoh, he never pushed for the overthrow of our nation like some of the paramours of the dark forces of evil we deal with here daily. Some who sneakily act as our friends and support those who are working to take our 2A away and take our tax money and give to illegal aliens and support those who give them the vote.
Now that he is gone you are pushing TRH hard for the KOTY. Don't ever change a thing.
Otoh, he never pushed for the overthrow of our nation like some of the paramours of the dark forces of evil we deal with here daily. Some who sneakily act as our friends and support those who are working to take our 2A away and take our tax money and give to illegal aliens and support those who give them the vote.
Now that he is gone you are pushing TRH hard for the KOTY. Don't ever change a thing.
mike r
Sorry, mike, but i belive in Jesus Christ. Cant help it . Get over it. Or, dont get over it.
Otoh, he never pushed for the overthrow of our nation like some of the paramours of the dark forces of evil we deal with here daily. Some who sneakily act as our friends and support those who are working to take our 2A away and take our tax money and give to illegal aliens and support those who give them the vote.
Sorry to hear this. Things are tough these days. He was trying to make things better. Prayers for you and your family. At least he is in good hands now.
Sorry to hear this. Things are tough these days. He was trying to make things better. Prayers for you and your family. At least he is in good hands now.
Sorry to hear this. Things are tough these days. He was trying to make things better. Prayers for you and your family. At least he is in good hands now.
safariman, What a sweet,caring,beautiful Tribute to your Dad. Sounds like you had the kind of relationship with your Dad like I did with mine. Yours is a Tribute any Father would be proud of. Very sorry for you’re loss.
safariman, What a sweet,caring,beautiful Tribute to your Dad. Sounds like you had the kind of relationship with your Dad like I did with mine. Yours is a Tribute any Father would be proud of. Very sorry for you’re loss.
Apparently something not to his liking must be going on in Safariman's world now as after having his Facebook page fully viewable by everyone for years he's all of a sudden changed it to viewable only by approved friends. Only one photo of the Gospel quartet he's a member of and a couple of old posts remaining now when it was loaded with photos and recent posts not long ago. It's just not like him to not have the attention of the biggest audience possible.
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
Surprised he didnt try a go fund me scam outta this. LOL!!!
I haven't went back and looked at his posts, but to the best of my recollection, this thread was really his swan song here on the 'fire. I only recall him posting a few more times after this one. IIRC, right before this some folks from here tracked down a bunch of stuff he was involved in legally and posted it here and also called to the attention of some authorities.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Well huh...wonder who ponied up with the kidney, and how much did safariman's operation cost them?
But most importantly, did safariman score a new Harley out of the deal.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Well huh...wonder who ponied up with the kidney, and how much did safariman's operation cost them?
But most importantly, did safariman score a new Harley out of the deal.
Sounds like his cousin Vicky....again this is all BULLCHIT too.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Apparently you aren't too acquainted with his propensity to run scams on others. Like his African Safari outfitter business where he beat several members here out of thousands of dollars all the while praising the Lord... or his gun trading and selling schemes when he continually lied, falsified details, had no FFL, and again praised the Lord.
And then there was the time a local pizza restaurant where he lives ran a fund raiser for him to help with his kidney medical expenses and the whole time of the fund raiser he was logged on to the Campfire classified forums trying to trade for and/or buy guns and accessories. Also, at the very same time, his current wife was hospitalized getting treated for cancer.
Then there's his history of scamming elderly customers out of tens of thousands of dollars when he was in the insurance business. Although he wasn't licensed to sell annuities he did anyway and lied and lied time and again and still was praising the Lord every step of the way. He got busted for it more than once and eventually cost him his Oregon insurance license.
That's just the tip of the proverbial 'iceberg', too...there's plenty more...
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
Apparently you aren't too acquainted with his propensity to run scams on others. Like his African Safari outfitter business where he beat several members here out of thousands of dollars all the while praising the Lord... or his gun trading and selling schemes when he continually lied, falsified details, had no FFL, and again praised the Lord.
And then there was the time a local pizza restaurant where he lives ran a fund raiser for him to help with his kidney medical expenses and the whole time of the fund raiser he was logged on to the Campfire classified forums trying to trade for and/or buy guns and accessories. Also, at the very same time, his current wife was hospitalized getting treated for cancer.
Then there's his history of scamming elderly customers out of tens of thousands of dollars when he was in the insurance business. Although he wasn't licensed to sell annuities he did anyway and lied and lied time and again and still was praising the Lord every step of the way. He got busted for it more than once and eventually cost him his Oregon insurance license.
That's just the tip of the proverbial 'iceberg', too...there's plenty more...
But...but...he praised the Lord!
And they both scored Harleys to ride...and I just remembered the pool pictures...epic.
Sice mark left here, hes had open heart surgery and a kidney transplant that went very well. Him and his wife still ride their harleys. I talk with him quit often.
we'll need to see the scars and hospital receipts along with video of alleged riding activities.
which moron here brought this dog's breakfast of post back up? Geez
Scroll back thru all those screens that say " you are ignoring this user" to the time of the post when it was BTT,d yesterday. Untoggle it like you always do and find out, cause we know you are a peeker. Like you dont know who it was already from untoggling.
Someone qoute this so the box turtle can see it.
Might take 4 or 5 of ya to do it before 1 hits that he aint got on ignore in his bubble boy world.....
Safariman sockpuppet more than likely.... LMFAO!!!!
All the "pathetic" looks identical. Who can say for sure?
The guaranteed telltale giveaway is how each spells the word, "professional"... The real Safariman, Mark Clayborne, always spells professional with 2 "ff"s and capitalizes the "P" = Proffessional --- It's a compulsion for him. He thinks it has greater impact capitalized and spelled with two fs, especially anytime he's talking about himself.
With all the easy Covid scams he could have run all year - I'm thinking full on Teddy R type 30 day safaris, CVO Harleys and an Uberlanche with fresh paint.
"Where, when and how it all started (quite lengthy - multiple pages) : VERY beautiful full custom rifle, Mauser heart, in 7mm Mashburn Super. Pic HEAVY!
Excerpt from where it started to get real:"
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Originally Posted By safariman NW Rancher and I have dealt before, as buyer and seller several times and he is a good guy. I did not remember the offer to let him buy it back, but as soon as he called I honored the statement even though I do not remember making it. Fact is, I do not remember a lot of stuff from my pre renal failure years nor even much from during them. Been a little bit busy staying alive.
Plenty of folks here deal with me regularly. A known member here who does quite a bit of selling here just mailed me something today I commited to buy, without payment arriving. I just sent him his USPS MO. There are dozens of folks here who deal with me in this fashion, compared to maybe 1/2 dozen who like to try to firebomb my threads. Most of these posts, I ignore and so do the people who really know me and have dealt with me. I had several PM inquiries about this rifle, but am genuinely glad that NW Rancher is getting this back. To his home is where it belongs.
What do you have to say about your false statements regarding my real and true incoming medical bills, sir?
Originally Posted By 4ager You want to talk false statements, Mark? Really? Fine. Let's talk false statements.
As to your bills: prove it. By doing so, you'll prove your own words about the entire procedure being fully covered for you and your cousin false, in addition to other things about that whole fiasco.
As for "dealing with you", I've got more experience "dealing with you" than anyone on this site other than your wife, and I'm just damned sick of it. So, let's talk false statements, Mark.
Let's talk about the false statements I have PERSONALLY seen and heard you make to prospective clients about insurance policies; misleading and intentionally false statements about how they worked (especially annuities), and whether they were the right fit. Let's talk about the false statements you tried to make in my presence, with MY LICENSE on the line, about securities that prospective clients held that you were never licensed to discuss in the first place.
The Oregon Insurance Bureau got it dead right; you scammed and conned old people regularly by lying to them, lying to the ridiculously schitty company you worked for, and lying to regulators. I know this, because I saw and heard you do it, and I tried repeatedly to get you to NOT do that. Unlike you, every deal I made with a client had to be completely vetted by me and by THREE other licensed financial advisers, none of whom you ever met and all of whom had their licenses on the line with every transaction. They had to be right, and I made sure of it. I have copies of every damned deal I ever did, as do they, and I handed all of those clients off to another licensed broker when I left that business, and they checked then to make sure that everything was kosher. You never did anything like that, because you couldn't. Go ahead and try to impugn that I was doing the same schit. You can try, but you know damned well it will be a lie and that I have the docs to prove it.
Now, let's talk about the false statements you've made in trying to (and sometimes succeeding in) getting people to send you firearms via the mail to your PO Box claiming that your C&R license was an 01 FFL. I've SEEN YOU do that, and there are several here that you tried to run that on.
While we are at it, let's talk about the Campfire Pig Hunt you went on that you tried to turn into your own gunshow; trying to trade into and out of guns that you didn't even own so you could turn a profit while the rest of the guys were there. There were SEVERAL people there that are still here that will attest to that. Hell, rattler won't even mention you by name after the schit you pulled there. Neither will ScottF for a myriad of reasons.
Let's keep going, shall we? Let's talk about the safari business you ran and what a schitshow that turned into and how you conveniently disappear whenever anyone asks about that, what you knew and when, and any type of compensation made to the guys that got screwed there.
Let's talk about the false statements you made to ME, PERSONALLY, regarding tax situations; i.e., the fact that you TWICE provided me and my accountant with false Tax ID numbers when I 1099'd you for services contracted during the few months that I was flying out to Washington, Oregon, and Idaho to try to establish a financial services business out there with your old clients. Let's talk about the fact that had my accountant not been on the ball about that, TWICE, that you would have managed to stick me with the tax bill for money paid to you, and that the IRS STILL doesn't have that filed under your name properly. And, yes, I have those documents, too.
You want to talk false statements, Mark? Great. Start with those. And, yes, I can back up every damn thing I just wrote and you know it.
I gave you every chance to correct your ways. I warned you about the firearms business you were running here without an FFL (and that only worked because you realized that the Feds were about to knock on your door). I have tried to hint at you changing you ways for long enough. You ran out of rope, and I've had it.
You want to know what God wants from you after giving you another chance at life, and you want to talk about false statements? Start there, Mark.
-Sean
Originally Posted By safariman Well hello SEAN!
I still consider you a friend, and as such I am going to take your suggestion at the end of your comments quite seriously. I will be away from the 'fire for a while while I weigh all of this.And yes, I will be praying that God will, as the prophet said "Search me oh God, and see if there be any wicked way in me." I have been having this conversation with others as I prepare to embark on life, part two. Also the words here of Rick Menefee (Mark, do you see what you are doing here?") and a couple of others here.
There is an old saying "If one man calls you an ass, you can disregard it, if two or more do, start shopping for a saddle"
Then in the book of proverbs we are called fools if we disregard the council of a friend. I do not want to be a fool, or to be any longer seen as one who would be dishonest.
This stuff has to be fixed, and now.
I will be away from the campfire for some time, except to communicate with folks who I have deals pending with in PM's only.
I do not expect any one here to give me any room or credence to any of this, I will have to prove it. And, it will take time and experiences for you all to see. But I am going to work at this and seek wise council and input.
I am not angry, or mad, more contemplating than anything else.
I do have an awesome and amazing second chance at life here, got to do it right.
See ya'll a bit later. PM's welcome but I won't be posting for a while.
Blessings abundant,
MARK
Originally Posted By 4ager You know, I had a bet running as to how you would respond when I posted what I did. Unfortunately, I won that bet. That post of yours is so much part of your MO that it's like a tattoo. When you are finally caught and can't get out of it, you pull the "I will take some time and pray to God to heal me" card. I've seen you do this time and again, and here you are pulling it once more. This flanking maneuver isn't a true reflection upon your actions, but a means for you to avoid addressing the real problems you have. If you can actually be sincere with yourself, you'd admit that.
Yes, you need some time away. A long time. That doesn't mean behind the scenes PM deals and "prayer sessions" with the Campfire "faithful". That means some serious time away; completely away. And, frankly, you need help. Not the "I will pray with my pastor" kind of help, but real, professional, psychiatric help from someone who isn't going to just "pray with you" and make you feel better because you have "sinned". You need someone who is going to diagnose you and treat you because you've got some very serious issues.
I've seen you pull the "I'm caught so I'll go away for a while" ruse and all you ever really hope for is that the person or people aggrieved will cool off, forgive, or forget. That doesn't address the problem, and on top of it all, it plays into your "well, I didn't really do anything wrong" mantra. This is how you treated insurance and compliance complaints, and why you still can't and won't admit that what Oregon busted you for is exactly what you did. And, you did it dozens, if not hundreds, of times over those few instances where you got caught. I know this, and you know this.
I've seen you pull the "I must pray to God to heal me" thing too many times to count. For many people, faith is a comforting thing and they use it to try to better themselves and to be better toward others. You, frankly, do not. You use it as a crutch and as a weapon. The crutch to absolve you of responsibility (i.e., "I am but a poor sinner; it's not my fault; God forgive me"), and the weapon to gain people's confidence and trust. The first time I saw you pray with an old person and then turn right around and try to convince them that a schitty annuity was the right fit for them, I couldn't believe it. After that, I saw it so often I knew that it was just part of your game. You found a weak spot in most people for their faith, and you exploited it through your own. You'll try to do that again when you come back here, if you don't go get some real help.
Coming back here, and even you being here, has been one of the biggest problems you've had. You have enough "prayer buddies" around here that you have always been able to find someone to buy your Christianity and stick up for you, and you've always been able to find someone to buy the next deal you throw out there. All you've ever needed was one person to validate to you that you didn't do wrong, no matter what you've done or to whom, and you'd carry right on.
I'm not a priest or pastor, nor am I a psychiatrist. Hell, I don't even play one on TV and I haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express in several years. Here's what I see, though, if I were to look at it from those perspectives.
You are a prideful, greedy man. That's two of the Seven Deadly Sins. Your pride won't allow you to admit your mistakes, your faults, or to truly seek any help. That feeds into your greed. You worked for many, many years and made several millions of dollars (think about how much commission you've made, and you know I'm right). Yet, you don't have schit to show for it. Why? Your pride made you always seek the flashiest junk out there, or the most boastful trips or hunts, and your greed kept you always wanting more. Hell, I've seen times when your wife's vehicle was in bad shape, your rent was due, and you had just tried to borrow money or get an advance, and yet you'd turn right around and pull out a wad of cash (rent money; your wife's vehicle repair money) to buy another gun. When you could have, and should have, saved money or paid bills you had due, you didn't. You took that money and you bought toys for yourself, and those toys are all you have left (and you still aren't getting rid of them because they are for you). You're doing that again here, and you have for years.
You've got some serious psychopathic, narcissistic tendencies. The psychopathy manifests itself in your ingrained aversion to the truth. You can't not tell a lie; it's just who you are. Your lies are always about how special you, or something you have, is or was (Pride, again). You NEVER show true guilt about the actions, only a reaction to being caught. This time is no different. Let's not even get into the shallow relationships all geared toward benefiting you in some fashion. You know damned well that's there.
The narcissism is obvious. Everything you do is always all about you. You're in a quartet, but you have to make sure you're the biggest one in it and you're the one that controls the CDs. Even in your church, and remember I've seen you there, too, was just a pool of potential clients or gun sales/buys or a means to gain access to hunting property. Vehicle choices, trips, tattoos, you name it - it has always been about you. Hell, even your "prayers" are about you: "heal me; take away the evil/sin; make be better; help me find the next deal; etc."
Mark, you need help. You need real, professional, psychiatric help. You don't just need a small break from here, or to go off and pray for a bit, or to sit back and read the Bible; you need help. Please, go get that help. Don't talk about. Don't come on here and say you are, or will, or have. Just go get that help and take a very long complete break from here.
If you do that, maybe God really will let you know what His plan was for you to have a few more years. Or, maybe that is simply His plan after all. Whatever it is, it starts with you getting some real, serious help.
For all of his life, my dad has been taking in alcoholic and or drug addicted people into his home or business and hiring them to work on cars, do filing or other office work etc. in hopes of introducing them to the Lord and helping them get a new start with a new life. Most folks, as one would guess, continued in old ways after getting cleaned up and sobered up a bit, but at least they had a chance, and some were able to make the transition into sober and productive lives.
I have followed in his footsteps there but on a much smaller scale and with more care and safety built in as I have a wife and had children in my home much of my life.
He has always known that doing this, having what used to be called derelicts in his home carried with it inherent danger, but believed that the danger was worth the possability of introducing folks to Christ Jesus and to a more responsible and prosperous way of life through hard work and new life guidlines. He had much, much patience with these mostly men and often gave them chance after chance in hopes of seeing a life reclaimed, restored and re built.
But, the worst case scenario has just happened in our life.
One of his ranch home tennant/workers, a violent man when drunk, came home to the house he shared with my father and an argument ensued, most likely over money that was percieved as being owed or possibly my fathers refusla to this time advance him pay so that he could go back to bar hopping. We do not know. What we do know is that my father, who was a pacifist and never before in his life made a fist, died with scarred up knuckles, bleeding in his stomach from a blow, and his head busted open, skull crack badly and bleeding in his brain throughout after having his head smacked into the stone work kitchen countertop where my dad made so many meals for the men he was trying to help.
I was called when dad was found by another tenenat and taken by ambulance to the local hospital. Dad never regained conciousness or spoke but I and my siblings spoke to him, prayed with him and sang to him in hopes that he was hearing us.
I was with my dad at 12:09 when, after being off of the ventilator for just a few moments as he had instructed to be done in his health care directive he was birthed into eternity and into the arms of his waiting savior.
Some of you here have met my father on hunting trips or other events, I thought that you and my freinds here would want to know.
I am very broken hearted here, obviously, but am relieved to know that my dad is now without pain and is joyous, seeing the BIG picture and knowing that I and others he left behind will be there with him in not very long from his new perspective of seeing things on an eternal scale.
I must now try to focus on this eternal scale and our time here is SO short in comparison.
My father sang Southern Gospel music full time in the 50's and 60's, and it was from him that I learned to love this music and learned to sing. Dad and his groups recorded many albulms and traveled extensively througout the USA singing the good news of forgiveness of sins and a NEW LIFE through the marvelous love of God and grace through the cleansing blood of Jesus. Dad started the Western States Quartet convention in the early 60's and put me up on stage at the Hollywood Bowl in 1964 (I was 4!) to sing all four verses of "Jesus loves me". I am told by old family freinds that I nailed it....
Dad also taught me the insurance business through which I took care of a family of five as the only income producer for the entirety of my children's growing up years. To do this on 100% commission sales is quite a testament to many things he taught me. Mostly to be confident, resilient, strong and 'make good things happen' i.e. be the force and world changer. Dad was also a city councilman in our home town of Roseville California (I am here now as I type) and past president of two different Rotary Clubs and the local Toastmasters.
I am SO very glad that I spent so much time with my dad. Taking him with me to Africa once, Alaska twice, a sales convention trip that I won in Puerto Rico, wild hog hunts so much more. I always tried to include him in whatever I was doing, I even took him cruising and street racing when I was a senior in High School. He was always welcome to be a part of every segment of my life. I told him I loved him often, huggesd him whenever I saw him, and I am now SO glad that I did these things. I have no regrets other than that the police got the perp before I could get my mitts on his sorry carcass. He (the murdering carcass that is in jail right now) should be very grateful today for the bars and guards that are surrounding him today.
I miss my dad, but it will not be for long, really.
9mm thru his noggin woulda been less messy.. Probably would have blown his lungs out also with that one shot. The 9mm is the schit!!!
Why would any normal person use their father's death (I suppose he really did die) for attention and personal gain? Oh, never mind, this is the internet.
Why would any normal person use their father's death (I suppose he really did die) for attention and personal gain? Oh, never mind, this is the internet.
I'm going outside to shoot something...
As I recall, someone discovered his father didn't really die.
Around the time this thread was going down, a good friend had made detective at the local sheriffs dept. and was telling me that he has seen a lot of people in such disbelief that someone died that they think it had to be murder. Kinda strange but not all that uncommon.
I’d bet most have a pretty healthy victim complex.
Why would any normal person use their father's death (I suppose he really did die) for attention and personal gain? Oh, never mind, this is the internet.
I'm going outside to shoot something...
"Normal person" is key... Safariman is FAR from normal...
As to why he would use his father's death for attention and personal gain -- Safariman (Mark Claiborne) has no conscience.
My take… I met Mark a couple times and did a few deals with him…I also met his father a couple times… Mark never cheated nor misrepresented himself to me and seemed to be a decent stand up guy. His father was a really good guy who took in people who were trying to turn their lives around… IIRC, he was into the church programs in a big way…”I think” he even had a couple people he was helping, living with him when this incident happened and Marks first thoughts when hearing about it was that one of the guys he was helping had attacked the old guy and it’s understandable because Mark was living in Washington (I think) and his dad owned a nice house on a fairly big piece of property in Loomis Ca. that is fairly rural for the area. I have no idea of whether or not he guilty of what some people here accuse him of… some people here seem to make a game with denigrating other people that they have never met or interacted with other than here on the “fire”…
My take… I met Mark a couple times and did a few deals with him…I also met his father a couple times… Mark never cheated nor misrepresented himself to me and seemed to be a decent stand up guy. His father was a really good guy who took in people who were trying to turn their lives around… IIRC, he was into the church programs in a big way…”I think” he even had a couple people he was helping, living with him when this incident happened and Marks first thoughts when hearing about it was that one of the guys he was helping had attacked the old guy and it’s understandable because Mark was living in Washington (I think) and his dad owned a nice house on a fairly big piece of property in Loomis Ca. that is fairly rural for the area. I have no idea of whether or not he guilty of what some people here accuse him of… some people here seem to make a game with denigrating other people that they have never met or interacted with other than here on the “fire”…
mark's specialty was scamming elderly people with insurance scams . Mark used his fake christian faith to scam gullible naive people. he's a sociopath
My take… I met Mark a couple times and did a few deals with him…I also met his father a couple times… Mark never cheated nor misrepresented himself to me and seemed to be a decent stand up guy. His father was a really good guy who took in people who were trying to turn their lives around… IIRC, he was into the church programs in a big way…”I think” he even had a couple people he was helping, living with him when this incident happened and Marks first thoughts when hearing about it was that one of the guys he was helping had attacked the old guy and it’s understandable because Mark was living in Washington (I think) and his dad owned a nice house on a fairly big piece of property in Loomis Ca. that is fairly rural for the area. I have no idea of whether or not he guilty of what some people here accuse him of… some people here seem to make a game with denigrating other people that they have never met or interacted with other than here on the “fire”…
mark's specialty was scamming elderly people with insurance scams . Mark used his fake christian faith to scam gullible naive people. he's a sociopath
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This ^^^^. The guy was a genuine piece of crap period!!!
I dont know what's worse, the sociopath making up such an intricate lie or the pages of people still saying "sOrRy fOr yOuR lOsS" with 80 pages of evidence that the thing is a lie lol.
Was a peeping Dillon for several years before joking here.
SM played the Good Believer role to the hilt.
But it quickly became questionable. Sick, selling guns for mone...just bought something expensiv......Need to still my...I'm broke...Bought a Harley, modified it for drag rac...I'm broke in terrible shape gotta sell.....
Wasn't hard to smell that Capibarra.
Then it started to get real and all the believers came to his defense, WTH? They couldn't see the neon billboard flashing in front of their nose?
As a Christian, the judgemental attitude of many turn me off. How they look at a guy who has a chew, drinks a beer, swears.
Then, the self righteous idiots will line up to be screwed over by some slick talking dude who says the right stuff. But two seconds thought and I recognize the distinct smell of rat!
I'm not going to go back and look, but didn't it turn out his father wasn't dead?
Or maybe that was someone else...
Kent
His father did die from injuries that day but as I recall it was determined that his death was not the result of a violent attack by anyone but a fall which caused bleeding and since he was alone and on prescribed blood thinner meds led to him quickly bleeding out.
On December 18, 2015 we lost a longtime and beloved resident of Auburn from an unfortunate head injury. Byron Claiborne (By), was born on October 20, 1936 in Los Angeles to Burneth and Zilpha Claiborne. He traveled around the country in a family quartet, served his community on the Roseville City Council, and managed his own insurance business. He is survived by his children, Mark B. Claiborne, Deborah Barksdale, Amber Engle and Byron Claiborne II, as well as his five brothers and one sister. Published by Auburn Journal on Mar. 10, 2016.
No, I believe it is indeed his father, as what Steelhead referenced was back in 2002, and the Claiborne in question was 65/67 at that time... meaning that individual would be pushing 80 now. Clearly not the brother, but father.
Byron Claiborne subjected women living at two eight-unit apartment buildings in Oak Park to "severe, pervasive, and unwelcome sexual harassment," according to the suit filed two years ago by the U.S. Justice Department.
Claiborne, 67, "treated male tenants far differently than female tenants," Hirst added. ... Under the terms of a consent order filed Monday, Claiborne agreed to pay compensatory damages of $92,500 to 12 former female tenants and a $7,500 civil penalty to the federal government.
He further agreed to release all liens for back rent obtained against the women after they moved out, and to implement an anti-harassment policy and complaint procedure for rental property he owns, including units in Sacramento and Auburn. The written policy and procedure will be supplied to all tenants. Neither Claiborne nor his attorney returned calls Monday.
A longtime Roseville insurance agent whose office is now in Citrus Heights, Claiborne was active in Democratic politics in the 1970s and 1980s. He served on the Roseville City Council and twice ran unsuccessfully for the state Assembly and later for a seat on the Placer County Board of Supervisors. He served on the Placer County Human Relations Commission and Roseville's Affordable Housing Task Force.
During his first race for the Assembly in 1974, Claiborne told The Bee he had formerly managed the Claiborne Brothers, a gospel quartet that traveled and performed for 10 years in several countries. He also said he had been a licensed evangelist, a minister with the Evangelical Methodist Church, and choir director for the Nazarene Church of Roseville and Community Covenant Church.
I dont know what's worse, the sociopath making up such an intricate lie or the pages of people still saying "sOrRy fOr yOuR lOsS" with 80 pages of evidence that the thing is a lie lol.
What would possess you to dig up an old thread like this? What is the fascination?
If everything was equal and this OP was a straight shooter, wishing condolences years after the event can cause the victims stress as they have tried to move on.
Gotta love the “new” members that only been a couple years yet seemingly know a shît ton of the back story, antagonists, protags, deep and superficial details. lol
What would possess you to dig up an old thread like this? What is the fascination?
If everything was equal and this OP was a straight shooter, wishing condolences years after the event can cause the victims stress as they have tried to move on.
He didn't dig it up. Look at the timestamp of the post before his.
He just started reading at the beginning and didn't check how old it was.
I wonder if he's still the tallest member of his quartet. His tall mud shark daughter had plans to birth a basketball team. By now there may be a new tall dark member. If one could sing as well as play round ball.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Your father is now healed, both spiritually and bodily. Thanks to him, a few others are, too. He willingly did more that you can ask of any man.
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