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I had a couple Ultra's.. With a 28.5 in barrel they were something.. With a shorter barrel, I am not so sure.. A 24" tubed ultra will run 3300 pretty easy.
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Give me a .270 and Partitions and I'll show you dead elk until you're sick of looking at dead elk.
It's always been the Indian, not the arrow. Pretty hard to argue with this. The 300 Weatherby is no doubt a great elk cartridge. But today the world is so full of great elk cartridges you can't keep up with them all. Personally I'd rather have a 7mm Mashburn. It kicks less. Bob, my 300 B is in a Blaser R8, 8.5 lbs scoped. I don't know what it is--it certainly kicks but doesn't seem excessive to me at all. Maybe it was all those years of lighting the 340's fire. 😳 😀 George recoil is SO subjective. But after a few sessions with a hunting weight 340, the 300 Weatherby can feel trifling. I feel like the Mashburn offers the same down-level of recoil from a 300 Weatherby,that the 300 Weatherby does from a 340.....which makes sense because in each case we're burning less powder and shooting lighter bullets. I do get to shoot 300 Weatherby now and then, side by side with the Mashburn. My buddy has a 300 Weatherby and I have owned several.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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(Signature) I have a 7mm mag. Why do I need all that other stuff? Bob - Is that signature new or have I just not noticed it before? In any case, my 7mm RM was my first centerfire in 1982 and my only bolt-action big game rifle for 20+ years. It go used for everything from light varminting to elk. Now I have a safe full of rifles, lever, bolt and semi-auto and find myself asking the same question. The answer I keep coming up with is "They are fun and I can". Works for me, although I now find myself wanting suppressors for subsonic use with my Ruger .308 Scout and AR .300 Blackout rather than new rifles. BTW, congrats on your new Remington .280 pump carbine - it looks like a beauty and I'm sure you're going to enjoy it.
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I was very pleased with my 300Wby Vanguard topped with a Zeiss HD5 3-15x50 with the Z800 reticle this season fot elk and deer in Colorado. We practiced out to 800 yards getting ready and the rifle was automatic at 500 practicing from field positions.
I shot a large cow at 550 yards right behind the shoulder, she turned to face me and the next shot caught her right in the center of her chest, both exited just behind the off side shoulder and she cartwheeled down the steep slope several yards before lodging between tree branches - pretty spectacular results.
The only downside was damaged meat 6-8" away from the entry and exit holes including neck meat, flap meat and a piece of back strap. Not ideal but on a huge cow the lost meat isn't a big percentage. I shot a small buck on our last day hunting and took a 140 yard neck shot DRT and no lost meat.
I'm a huge fan of the 300 B for elk and since I picked up the Vanguard dirt cheap the set-up with the Zeiss and a Timney trigger is sub $1,200, hard to beat that bang for the buck on a longer range elk stopper.
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CH: Thanks on the 280! Neat retro little rifle! Hope to hit the range today and shoot it. I have/had other stuff, too...used lots of it on animals. I noticed about 20 years ago that I grabbed a 270 or 7 mag just about every time I hunted...except brown bear and for that brought 375's and 338's. 7 mags (most any of them) are easy to like. Fast, flat trajectory,accurate. Bullets of ample weight and everything from high BC, long range styles to lighter speed bomb monos. And (relatively) modest powder charges . They recoil but don't beat you up. Pronghorn to moose versatility,and about everything in between. All this in moderate weight rifles. What's not to like?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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The only downside was damaged meat 6-8" away from the entry and exit holes including neck meat, flap meat and a piece of back strap. What is "flap" meat? I have my own definition, but it's context is usually confined to threads that have "223AI" somewhere in the title.
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I think the proper term is skirt steak, the meat along the ribs that around here we typically use for Carne Asada .
I grind most non steak or roast meat because I love elk burger by that cut marinated and grilled with beans and guacamole on a tortilla is just excellent.
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My Dad left me his 300 Wby. It was a pre-64 300h&h that was sent to Weatherby to be chambered there. I killed 5 deer and 1 elk with it, and it hit like the hammer of Thor. But, when my best friends son wanted to get a "magnum", I gave him the gun. He will keep it in his family and use it and appreciate it. My "problem" with it was simply that I didn't enjoy practicing with it, because of the sharp and strong recoil. Because of that, I would shoot about 3 or 4 rounds at the range prior to deer season, then go hunting, get my dear, clean the gun and put it back in the safe until the next year. So, I decided to get an 06', and shoot all year long and use it hunting instead. I think it was a good decision, because the extra practice has made me a better shot... funny how that works.
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the nicest part about a 300 win mag is most gun stores have them in stock and that cartridge is very accurate.i have one in a Remington sniper rifle with a niteforce on it shoots 3/4 groups at 300 yards on a bench,but do not enjoy shooting my 300 win.mag it kicks nasty .i have built a new long range elk gun now 338 lapua with a recoil reducer on the barrel and that will be a better long rifle except ammo could be hard to find for some people. being a handloader for both not a problem.but if I went some place in the world on a plane for a hunt I would take the 300 win. mag just because ammo is easier to get all over the world.i own a 300 weatherby too and really see very little difference with a 300 win.mag except win mags ammo and brass is cheaper and to be honest the 300 win mag. is just a little more accurate, that's why the seals use them, seals use mostly federal ammo too,so sometimes that brass is around too,all three cartridges will kill elk and I like all three except the kick !
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The 300 wtby bridges the gap between the 300 ultra mag and the 300 win mag. It doesn't have the redeeming qualities of either imo. I base this on owning all three.
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A .300 Weatherby Mag is the best choice if a .300 Weatherby Mag is what you want.
For everybody else, not so much.
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A .300 Weatherby Mag is the best choice if a .300 Weatherby Mag is what you want.
For everybody else, not so much. Well said!
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I know many have a pet cartridge they love to hunt elk with , myself included but I did kill my biggest bull elk with a hoyt bow at 70 lb.s bull scored 374 b.c., all cartridges will kill a bull elk placed in the right place.just sayin
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Back in the dark ages (1890's) the question would have been "The 7x57 Mauser for elk - is there anything better?"
Now, over 120 years later, for some people the answer is still "No".
The .300 Weatherby has a lot of positive attributes, but it has a lot of negatives, too. Among those negatives are:
1. Typical barrel length is 24". Not horrible but not compact, either.
2. Typical rifle weight. Again, not horrible but not lightweight, either.
3. Recoil with pull power loads is more than many people want to (or can) endure. Definitely more than necessary for the vast majority of hunters.
4. Factory ammo costs. This morning the cheap stuff at Midway is 1.78x more expensive than the cheap .300 Win Mag ammo and 2.56x more expensive than cheap 180g .30-06 hunting ammo. Comparing Remington Express 180g Core-Lokt ammo: .30-06 (2700fps), $22.99; .300 WM (2960fps), $30.99; .300WBY (3120fps), $69.99.
5. Ammo selection. At midway this morning there are 116 options for .30-06, 72 for .300 WM and 27 for .300 WBY.
6. Rifle options. Almost every bolt rifle manufacturer offers a .300 WM option. Don’t bother looking for a new .300 Weatherby from Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Savage, Sako, Tikka, Montana Rifle Company, Nosler, or Kimber. In other words, if you want a .300 Weatherby, be prepared to let your cartridge of choice dictate the rifle manufacturer and model.
This is not to knock the .300 Weatherby but rather just to point out some practical considerations. While I can’t say I‘ll never own one, I can say I don’t see any remotely compelling reason for me to do so. YMMV.
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I still say there's something special about a 200gr Accubond whistling through the mountain air at 3100fps.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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The best caliber for elk is the one you can shoot accurately with the right bullet.
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The .300 Weatherby is a decent elk round if you don't need much reach and love recoil. But then if that fits the bill then the .340 Weatherby offers even less reach and kicks even more. But then if that fits the bill then the .33-.378 Weatherby offers even less reach and will kick even more. Need I go on??
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Yes, go on. How bouts a 338 RUM or a dinosaurus ultra rex magnum? Merry Christmas, John and everyone else.
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The .300 Weatherby is a decent elk round if you don't need much reach and love recoil. But then if that fits the bill then the .340 Weatherby offers even less reach and kicks even more. But then if that fits the bill then the .33-.378 Weatherby offers even less reach and will kick even more. Need I go on?? John what is your favorite round?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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