I am far more likely to thread my 30-30 for a can, than by a blackout, and add yet another cartridge to the list of cartridges that I don't have time to reload for.
Besides, a suppressed lever gun is UBER.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL.
The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world.
Handled a AAC Model Seven in 300 black out recently and it seemed like a pretty cool deer rifle. Any of you own one?
I don't own one but I'd love to hear why people think it would make a great deer rifle.
Travis
Because it doesn't take a 300 win mag to kill deer. Everything has its limits.
The reason I won't download a 308 to do the same is case capacity vs accuracy. Generally speaking to get to sub loads you have such little powder the accuracy could be really cruddy...
The 300/221 has about the right capacity for me, even a bit much at times depending on powders.
I'm still working out the sound issues vs what powders and the accuracy issues, but in a factory Rem 700 7 twist.
But as is, its fairly quiet, and at times pellet gun quiet. Kills extremely well out to 150 and have a few out to almost 200, so thats about all I normally need in most instances.
If I can manage to get it a bit quieter I"ll like that, a bit more accurate too.
As to back of the truck for deer with a spotlight, the drop on the round requires a rangefinder and some time to verify things... its not a poaching round any more than anything else is.
Running it without a can and not sub sonic, there are better choices if you are going to make noise...
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Thats a really nice buck and congrats to your son. But I still would like to hear what a BO brings to the table.
Merry Christmas, Clark
It's much more practical to tame down a 308 than it is to shoot the BO. I picked up the barreled action on here for a song is the main reason I'm shooting it. Accuracy is sub MOA with the 110 Barnes, so it isn't without its perks.
Thats a really nice buck and congrats to your son. But I still would like to hear what a BO brings to the table.
Merry Christmas, Clark
It's much more practical to tame down a 308 than it is to shoot the BO. I picked up the barreled action on here for a song is the main reason I'm shooting it. Accuracy is sub MOA with the 110 Barnes, so it isn't without its perks.
What powder are you running and what charge to get a 110 sub sonic?
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Thats a really nice buck and congrats to your son. But I still would like to hear what a BO brings to the table.
Merry Christmas, Clark
It's much more practical to tame down a 308 than it is to shoot the BO. I picked up the barreled action on here for a song is the main reason I'm shooting it. Accuracy is sub MOA with the 110 Barnes, so it isn't without its perks.
As a follow up question, using likely 10 grains or less powder to be sub sonic, whats your ES and accuracy when aiming up or down as that powder moves around in the case freely, and could be against the primer on this shot or the bullet on that one?
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My son got a used MGM TC barrel here and likes the pellet rifle sound with subs, but hasn't hunted with it.
I've taken it out a few times with 110 Barnes factory and The Harvester cuz it sounds like a .22 rifle. Haven't taken a deer yet because I was buck only mode and passed on some does, and haven't gone lately due to illness and the holidays.
We usually hunt from stands and even w the can, that TC is a handy little tree stand carbine. May take it out for another shorts and flip flops hunt tomorrow.
Wanting to try some of Noveske ammo loaded with 220 Noz PTs that are sposed to be softer and expand at subsonic speed.
And after all isn't the Blackout/Whisper just another arrow in the Stuntshooter's quiver?🤓
As a follow up question, using likely 10 grains or less powder to be sub sonic, whats your ES and accuracy when aiming up or down as that powder moves around in the case freely, and could be against the primer on this shot or the bullet on that one?
He's not running the 110 at subsonic speeds.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
I know lots of people like them and I don't much give a fugk but just for the sake of conversation, I think the BO is one of the best selling wastes of time in the history of firearms.
If I want to sling 200gr bullets at subsonic speeds I'll use a pistol cartridge with bullets that were designed to expand at subsonic speeds.
If I want light recoiling deer killers I'll use a .223. If my state won't allow that I'll use a .243 or 250 Salvage or 6X45 or 7 TCU, etc.
People talk about the taking advantage of the high BC of the heavy 30 cal stuff but if you spend any time trying to do so, you'll find your fugkin' wrist goes sore from twisting turrets. And this is coming from a guy that FH three times a day. Minimum. They drop like rocks and anything past 100yds becomes a "range, twist, pray target remains stationary" type situation and you end up never shooting live game with the subsonic, high BC stuff unless it's 100yds or closer.
So if you want to shoot stuff with 200gr + bullet weights at subsonic speeds, why not use a pistol cartridge?
So again, I don't own one but I'd love to hear why it makes a great deer rifle.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
Nobody said it was a great deer rifle cartridge. The adjective used was "cool".
Like you, I also have opinions on cartridges that I find useless. Like anything that starts with a .17 or .25 for starters. Doesn't mean there isn't a use for, or following for them. Hell, I still like and use the .308Win which is archaic and not cool anymore. Like you, I give no phuucks either way.
What I hate about the BO is that it steals good .221 brass, (that I could really use for my .221, but can't find very easily) and diverts those cases to a cartridge I don't GAS about and don't want. I love my .221 Fireball, but I can't easily find cases when I need them, because they are shuffled off to make cases for the B-O.
If I was running a military black-ops team and needed the suppressive goodness, yeah, I'd be happy with one, but they don't work for where I hunt deer, and the trajectory ain't much good on a groundhog, either, so I just think of anything I'd want or need one for..
You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.
As a follow up question, using likely 10 grains or less powder to be sub sonic, whats your ES and accuracy when aiming up or down as that powder moves around in the case freely, and could be against the primer on this shot or the bullet on that one?
He's not running the 110 at subsonic speeds.
Travis
No point in running a blackout then...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
I know lots of people like them and I don't much give a fugk but just for the sake of conversation, I think the BO is one of the best selling wastes of time in the history of firearms.
If I want to sling 200gr bullets at subsonic speeds I'll use a pistol cartridge with bullets that were designed to expand at subsonic speeds.
If I want light recoiling deer killers I'll use a .223. If my state won't allow that I'll use a .243 or 250 Salvage or 6X45 or 7 TCU, etc.
People talk about the taking advantage of the high BC of the heavy 30 cal stuff but if you spend any time trying to do so, you'll find your fugkin' wrist goes sore from twisting turrets. And this is coming from a guy that FH three times a day. Minimum. They drop like rocks and anything past 100yds becomes a "range, twist, pray target remains stationary" type situation and you end up never shooting live game with the subsonic, high BC stuff unless it's 100yds or closer.
So if you want to shoot stuff with 200gr + bullet weights at subsonic speeds, why not use a pistol cartridge?
So again, I don't own one but I'd love to hear why it makes a great deer rifle.
Travis
So how flat is the pistol cartridge round? To 200?
194 lehigh, DESIGNED to expand down to 750 fps IIRC, and BC of .638 IIRC...
Thats the only reason I didn't go 44 mag first round, I did not want to be short changed into a 100 yard or less round. I did not do that math though, went the other route... swag...
RE range and dial.. hmm I do that to my other rounds too... can get from 50 to 200 with less than a full turn... thats no big deal..
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
What I hate about the BO is that it steals good .221 brass, (that I could really use for my .221, but can't find very easily) and diverts those cases to a cartridge I don't GAS about and don't want. I love my .221 Fireball, but I can't easily find cases when I need them, because they are shuffled off to make cases for the B-O.
If I was running a military black-ops team and needed the suppressive goodness, yeah, I'd be happy with one, but they don't work for where I hunt deer, and the trajectory ain't much good on a groundhog, either, so I just think of anything I'd want or need one for..
From time to time I search for 221 Lapua brass. Its been in stock more times than not....
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