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This morning in fact. Faux NULA CLR sent off to Forbes for his NULA makeover, .270 winchester zeiss 3-9 conquest Fired from a kneeling position 30 yards meat buck.
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I started a regular shoot at our club for hunting rifles from field positions at game targets. http://arizona-rifleshooting.com/hunting-rifle-shoot-PRGC.htmlThis is on the same range where we shoot CMP/NRA High Power, Service rifle, mid range and F-class (200 to 500yd with heavy target rifles, either sighted AR-15/M1 etc or scoped benchrest style rifles. I would say it is an order of magnitude more difficult to shoot a decent group with a lightweight hunting style rifle from a field position than it is for a serious competition rifle in any of the above sports. That is, a guy who can put a 10-shot group in the 10-ring at 300yds in 70-seconds with an iron sighted AR-15 using a coat and sling will have trouble hitting the vital area of a deer target at that distance more than half the time firing slowly 1 shot at a time using a hunting rifle resting on sticks or a backpack. its not the mechanical accuracy of the rifle, its just so much harder to hold a lightweight gun still from an oddball position. Poole
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Steyer Scout, prone with Ching Sling. 2 MOA
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1 shot, 280 yards prone. NULA .260 Remington, 123 scenar:
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Steyer Scout, prone with Ching Sling. 2 MOA What does that huge hunk of schit weigh? Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Steyer Scout, prone with Ching Sling. 2 MOA What does that huge hunk of schit weigh? Dave IIRC, a little under 8# all up, but I've got a bunch of stuff inside the stock, that's also with the extra mag inside the mag holder in the buttstock. I'd way it for you but MOM has the scale and she's asleep. Try to get it for you tommorrow.
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8lbs "all up" is not light IMO.
Come back and try again when you can afford a rifle that is worth a fugk.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Jan. 7, me and pard in 2-man-1 rifle stand w Finnish Compact Tactical Rifle & very LW suppressor...about 10 pounds. Off rail, side of tree and two across pard's back. Bobcat @150. Deer 230ish to 350ish. Seven .260 120s, seven DRTs. [img:left] [/img]
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Come back and try again when you can afford a rifle that is worth a fugk.
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Is that you Sctick ? Jerry
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Very Nice Fantastic Pic Jerry
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......That is, a guy who can put a 10-shot group in the 10-ring at 300yds in 70-seconds with an iron sighted AR-15 using a coat and sling will have trouble hitting the vital area of a deer target at that distance more than half the time firing slowly 1 shot at a time using a hunting rifle resting on sticks or a backpack.
its not the mechanical accuracy of the rifle, its just so much harder to hold a lightweight gun still from an oddball position.
Poole Mmm....that's interesting. I do know that's the standard for a match shooter at 300 with a sling...they expect all "10"s" in rapid fire, and tell me for "slow" fire,1/2 MOA at 300.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I would say it is an order of magnitude more difficult to shoot a decent group with a lightweight hunting style rifle from a field position than it is for a serious competition rifle in any of the above sports. That is, a guy who can put a 10-shot group in the 10-ring at 300yds in 70-seconds with an iron sighted AR-15 using a coat and sling will have trouble hitting the vital area of a deer target at that distance more than half the time firing slowly 1 shot at a time using a hunting rifle resting on sticks or a backpack.
You would be wrong, laughably so. A competitive Service Rifle shooter has to shoot 9 ring (13in) or better OFFHAND at 200yd with irons and a 4.5# trigger. The best shooters, like Bernosky, are cleaning a 7in target at 200yd OFFHAND. A shooting coat adds about 20% to a good shooters score. It helps but it ain't a quantum leap like you're pretending.
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I would sort of take issue with the thing about light rifles and hitting deer sized vitals over a pack at 300 yards no more than 50% of the time, too. I suspect that anyone who practices much could do that in slow fire.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Thanks. That was taken with an IPhone. Sometimes the subject is more important than the camera.
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214yds, Kimber 84M 7mm-08AI. David
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You forgot "the position." Nice shooting though, love those groups of one.
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You forgot "the position." Nice shooting though, love those groups of one. Redneck prone. After traipsing all over every hill in W Texas for 3 days straight, we drove out to the property to begin another hunt. The guide had just driven through the gate and gotten back in the jeep when he spotted a coyote. He quickly stopped and said "bust his ass!" I jumped out laid prone across the hood and was about to touch one off when he the guide grabbed my shoulder and hissed "There's deer bedded down on that hill - one's a shooter!" I looked where he was pointing in time to see a group of 4 or 5 mule deer nervously standing up. I shot a quick range, adjusted my aim, waited for the wind to lay down and the buck to stop walking, then slipped a bullet behind his shoulder. David
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I started a regular shoot at our club for hunting rifles from field positions at game targets. http://arizona-rifleshooting.com/hunting-rifle-shoot-PRGC.htmlThis is on the same range where we shoot CMP/NRA High Power, Service rifle, mid range and F-class (200 to 500yd with heavy target rifles, either sighted AR-15/M1 etc or scoped benchrest style rifles. I would say it is an order of magnitude more difficult to shoot a decent group with a lightweight hunting style rifle from a field position than it is for a serious competition rifle in any of the above sports. That is, a guy who can put a 10-shot group in the 10-ring at 300yds in 70-seconds with an iron sighted AR-15 using a coat and sling will have trouble hitting the vital area of a deer target at that distance more than half the time firing slowly 1 shot at a time using a hunting rifle resting on sticks or a backpack. its not the mechanical accuracy of the rifle, its just so much harder to hold a lightweight gun still from an oddball position. Poole Everyone is a creature of their environment and a victim of their "experience". It is hardly "daunting" to gun hasty wicked knots of Precision,while MPAJ from a ruck or similar. Personally,I've no love for 'sticks,but the kids have been using them for years and they reap dividends. I'm no Bipod Lover either and only tend to lean on 'em when gunning an XP-100 or Krunchenticker or perhaps a Chub Play Toy...though never on a true dedicated Killing Rifle. 700yd+ .5MOA LW MPAJ ClusterLaughingly gunning Flying Ashtrays MPAJ sub .5MOA,while ascertaining come-ups for same. 24" 25-284 slingin' them schitty 90gr SGK HPBT's at 3500fps++. Fhuqk them pieces of schit. Not a LW in my book,but steering Flying Ashtray BC's at halfa thousand is entertainin' and makes one appreciate the good stuff. Hint. I'm thinkin' I could take 10 LW rifles laid side by each and easily keep the Hasty CBS Poke from the lot,well within Venison Vitals at the 700yd line,mainly because I have. Hint. I prolly shouldn'ta taken down so many videos,because I never got around to uploading more Thinkin' I need a secretary.......................
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I like the idea of the 6" target drill @ extended ranges from field position. I hunt a great deal off of a BogPod. I am going to do long range practice from it this year. Am guessing it will be humbling. I struggle shooting my NULA from the bench. Am curious how I will do grouping it from a field rest. The NULA is the only ultra light rifle that I own. I think it weighs less than 6 1/2 lbs scoped and loaded. Elevated shooting positions are rare where I hunt and a traditional mounted bipod or backpack rarely gets me over the grass/brush or corn stubble. I will try the 6" target out to 500 and see if I am fooling myself that I am accurate at that range from the bog pod or other types of sticks. I have never taken a shot over 350 from one of these rests.
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For me, accuracy from field positions suffers some to a lot, depending on the position. The more unstable the position the more accuracy suffers. There is a picture below of a cow elk I shot in 2011 using my .338WM. I was shooting off a tall Primos Trigger Stick bipod. It was too tall for my position but would have been fine if I was shooting uphill. Instead the cow was below me and even on my knees I had to stretch out as far as I could to get the right down angle. My position was shaky as hell but the range was only about 262 yards and I was sure I could hit the cow in the kill zone. Not so, as it turned out. Instead my first hit was in the process bones above the spine. After that shot I moved about 10 feet to the other side of the rise so I could get the bipod legs below me and take a stable sitting position. The next shot was placed exactly where I aimed but the cow was still standing so it got another, which dropped it instantly. The last two shots made one large hole in the rib cage. The last shot was gratuitous in that it only hastened the inevitable, probably by no more than by a few seconds. Definitely learned a valuable lesson. And I bought a shorter, more stable tripod as a result, which I have used ever since. The rifles described and/or pictured below are as light as it gets for me, at least for bolt rifles. Don’t know what they weigh but it is less than my walnut or laminate stocked Rugers. No pictures, but I took my 2015 antelope with an All-Weather Ruger Hawkeye at 373 yards using a 140g Nosler AB and shooting off a Primos Trigger Stick tripod. One shot, placement couldn’t have been any better. All of these are Ruger MKII’s. Left to right, .338WM, .300WM and .30-06. 2013, .338WM, 225g Nosler AB, 487 yards, Primos Trigger Stick tripod 2012, 300WM, 180g Barnes MRX, 400 yards, Primos Trigger Stick tripod 2011, .338WM, 225g Nosler AB, 262 yards, Primos Trigger Stick bipod 2010, .30-06, 150g Nosler AB, 272 yards, Primos Trigger Stick bipod 2006, .300WM, 165g North Fork SS, 260 yards , borrowed sticks
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