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There was no need to shoot him. He was not a threat. Not from what I saw. Not in those conditions. Who was the shooter? Must be watching different videos. Appears he had plenty of chances to end it differently.
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There was no need to shoot him. He was not a threat. Not from what I saw. Not in those conditions. Who was the shooter? Seriously? Hands-up, to reaching for a loaded weapon? So you saw the weapon??? That was a ambush that was not a routine traffic stop all the Feds and state police did was Waco part two. Instead of letting local law enforcement handle the routine traffic stop the state police swoop in dressed to the hilt like jack boot thugs..sad
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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What's a "routine" traffic stop?
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Sad to watch. Looks like you can only argue with the FBI for 9 seconds before they shoot you
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Reaching for a loaded weapon? I didn't see that. He never drew down or brandished. I can't even see if he had a weapon. He was completely out gunned, out numbered, etc. I saw no need to use deadly force.
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What's a "routine" traffic stop? You tell me that's what was reported they were pulled over for a routine traffic stop..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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There was no need to shoot him. He was not a threat. Not from what I saw. Not in those conditions. Who was the shooter? Seriously? Hands-up, to reaching for a loaded weapon? So you saw the weapon??? What do you figure he was doing when he put his hands down?
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Did look like he reached for his waist...wonder if the weapon was in his hand when shot?
Did the guy who ran out in front of the truck get runover?
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There was no need to shoot him. He was not a threat. Not from what I saw. Not in those conditions. Who was the shooter? Seriously? Hands-up, to reaching for a loaded weapon? So you saw the weapon??? What do you figure he was doing when he put his hands down? Beats me why do you assume it was a pistol/firearm??? What did the fbi say in their report??
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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What's a "routine" traffic stop? You tell me that's what was reported they were pulled over for a routine traffic stop.. I must have missed that reading the statement.... If so, I apologize. That said, there is no "routine" stop, certainly not after the vehicle is being pursued, swerves to avoid a spike strip, etc. I'll agree with "sad" and completely avoidable.
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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What do you figure he was doing when he put his hands down?
Who knows, he could have been disarming himself, he could been reacting to being shot, he could have been reaching for his phone, he could have been had a cramp, he could have had an injury from them crash into, the snow bank. He did not appear to be a threat. It's hard to believe that's the only footage.
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Why do you assume he didn't when the press release clearly states that he had a loaded 9mm pistol?
Additional weapons were found in the vehicle as well. Including two semi-auto .223s and a .38 revolver, if I remember correctly.
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According to the report he did have a loaded pistol and it was in his coat pocket... He never got it out
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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What do you figure he was doing when he put his hands down? Beats me why do you assume it was a pistol/firearm??? Because he appeared to be pulling something out from under his jacket. Under the circumstances of what was happening right at that moment, I think ... cell phone? ... candy bar? Dunno, I guess. I can't prove it was a pistol. What do you think? What does your gut tell you?
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Furtive movement.........
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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What's a "routine" traffic stop? You tell me that's what was reported they were pulled over for a routine traffic stop.. I must have missed that reading the statement.... If so, I apologize. That said, there is no "routine" stop, certainly not after the vehicle is being pursued, swerves to avoid a spike strip, etc. I'll agree with "sad" and completely avoidable. When it was first reported couple days ago the new media said it was a routine traffic stop... So a lot of that could be on the media not knowing the whole story... Why the guy drove off like that is beyond me if you are innocent give yourself up,and go to court make Feds and state prove their case... Only that fella knows why what he did...
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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What do you figure he was doing when he put his hands down? Beats me why do you assume it was a pistol/firearm??? Because he appeared to be pulling something out from under his jacket. Under the circumstances of what was happening right at that moment, I think ... cell phone? ... candy bar? Dunno, I guess. I can't prove it was a pistol. What do you think? What does your gut tell you? I'm sure they had reason to use force he damn near ran over a FBI agent.. So everyone was high on adrenaline.... Again could of been avoided let them all get to this town hall meeting and let the sheriff arrest these guys sometimes the easy way makes too damn much sense
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