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Video just shown on local news. Finicum reached to his jacket pocket more than once before he was shot.

Cops did exactly what needed to be done in this matter. Cops did exactly as Finicum wished them to do.

I realize the FBI is anxious to release as many facts as possible to minimize rumors and speculation, but in releasing this drone footage they really tipped their hand with technology they have at their fingertips. This drone was probably circling WAY the hell up there since day one. Impressive and scary, depending on your view of "progress."

I kind of chuckled to myself when I saw the occupiers manning the fire lookout tower.

I had a feeling that was no where near the tactical 'high ground'.

Hardly a tragedy, screw him.

Not sure drones and that type of camera would be a shock to most?

We've seen that type of footage for quite a while. Hell, for under a grand you can get similar footage. It's not like the Feds didn't know where the roadblock was.

Has anyone ever walked in snow on a hill? I'm seeing him bust through and try to catch himself, which was probably about the time he had serious abdominal pain from getting shot.

He did enough things wrong to earn it, but I don't see him going for a piece, especially not without cover or concealment and 20 rifles trained on him.

Bad move by both sides IMO.

Until we get a video that shows him being shot prior to reaching for his waist, suicide by cop seems fairly likely, given his previous statements.

local news is reporting that he was reaching into his pocket, and the cops found a 9mm handgun in there....

maybe coincidence and he wasn't reaching for it...or maybe he was...

either way, even if there were a dozen cops there....they evidently called it a threat and shot him...

not sure if it was the cop coming out of the woods and shot him from behind, or the one that almost got hit when he belly landed his pickup into the snow bank...

Glad the LEO that was almost hit by the Truck is alright... that was a close call....

this whole scenario just plain sucks...

You do realize that your first, second and third pictures when blown up clearly show Finicums hand in his jacket pocket don't you? A pocket that the FBI and OSP said contained a loaded 9mm.

Even if one assumes the cops are lying about the gun why would a sane person under a felony stop at gun point reach into their coat twice 5 seconds apart (9:25 while moving to his right and at 9:30 when he turned away from the officer in front of him)?

Also seeing as how the feds had aerial surveillance of the chase and shooting its not a far stretch to assume they knew about the 2 loaded long guns in the truck.

Thats not to mention his fleeing the initial stop and failing to stop while being persued.

Not sure how anyone who views this video disagrees that he reached in his coat and deserved the result

Having been on the receiving end of a felony stop, seven sheriff office cars surrounding me, helicopter overhead, in a case of mistaken identity.............



I can tell one thing from the video.












Mr Finicum did just about EVERYTHING wrong if one wanted to survive.

Geno

Exactly right Geno.

The FBI footage isnt the best, there are enhanced and zoomed versions on Youtube that appear to me to clearly show him reaching.

It makes no sense except suicide by cop or he planned to shoot it out.

Almost looks like he considered giving up for a moment, but then thought, "What the hell..."

As has been pointed out, the man made a lot of noise with the media that he wouldn't go to jail.

Chris

Next time them bundy boys just need to go to Portland start a big ol [bleep] riot burn some cop cars loot every buiseness for several blocks and in the end they get to go home... It works for the black folks in Baltimore

Go to the 9:00 min. mark and go full screen.

Chris,

I think you might have called it.

looked to me on my first viewing that the way he was turning as he pulled his jacket open with his left hand was that he was looking for a target should he actually get his gun drawn, but realized (as a confused old man like me would) that drawing from that pocket wasn't going to be so easy and that perhaps he wasn't making the right move but might as well follow though with it.


just f'n sad all around.

Geno

not taking sides, but as my wife also saw and pointed out... maybe instead of reaching for a gun, he is reacting to touching a wound he just received from one of the officers shooting him.....


fact is, whoever shot him won't have any repercussions to deal with....

now if it was a black guy shot by two white cops, even if reaching for a firearm, you know that the media, and Jackson/Sharpton crowd would be demanding the LEO's careers being over and that they need serious jail time....

one of my big complaints over the coverage of this, is if they are white guys in nowhere USA, whatever happens is their fault....

if it is blacks looting, robbing, burning down the town, raping Etc... they'd all get a free ride and the cops would be afraid to act at all, due to the media attention....

Dual Standards, under the liberals, this Black Ran Administration, the media. et al...

Or, with hands up, it's "drop your gun" and as he reaches, ....."bang, bang"!

Has anyone figured out when the first shot was fired, and by whom? Any of the LEO ground level videos with sound out yet? Could it be that they already had fired into the vehicle, and he took off, jumped out, to draw the fire to himself instead of the women in the vehicle? Was proper protocol followed if that is the case? Could they have used non-lethal methods from that distance? What agency was in charge, did they have legal jurisdiction? Did they endanger innocent people in the vehicle if they shot into it, when they had multiple opportunities to arrest him previous to him entering a public roadway? Why didn't they arrest him at the meeting with the FBI at the airport several days prior? When were the warrants issued, and were they notified properly? Wow, sounds like we might not know jack afterall.

Yup.

And if you skip ahead to the 15:00 min. mark, you'll see the other occupants of the vehicle exiting. One at a time, hands held high, moving deliberately, following instructions.

How To Behave During a Felony Stop 101.

It's a class everyone should know, like it or not.

The grade curve is steep, and the final could suck if you don't study.



Looked like Finicum got the (final) surprise of his life when he turned and saw that officer comin' outta the woodline. He weren't expecting to get flanked.

Kind of emblematic of the entire operation. Them Bundy's brought checkers to a chess match.

Arctic,

please see my post above about having been through this. I bet the LEO folks here will back me on what I'm about to say.

It doesn't go down like that. If he does not have a weapon in his hand at the time, they won't be telling him to "drop his weapon".

If his hands are raised and empty, they want them there until you are under their control, usually on knees or face planted in the dirt (Snow in this case). Watch the video of the other folks getting out of the vehicle. They walk over the snowbank to the cops with their arms raised! THEY, the cops, will lower your hands with handcuffs on them and then search you for weapons. While your hands are under their control. At no time will you be allowed to get anything out of your pockets.

Folks, please, this was not a "traffic stop" as listed in the title.

This was a felony arrest, plain and simple.

Just like if they had come to your house and knocked down the door. Better not reach into the couch for the 'tater chip you dropped.

Just like if they came to your office, better not try to put that file you're working on back in the drawer.

This was not a "Sir, do you know why I pulled you over" traffic stop.

Mr Finicum more than likely knew that from when he first stopped before fleeing.

Everyone out there, please, if you are ever involved in a felony stop/arrest, if you do not want to end up like Mr F., please follow orders exactly. ALWAYS keep your hands in plain sight. Do not attempt to reach for ANYTHING. Wallet/ID/purse. don't reach for it.

Even (especially?) if you feel like it's a wrongful arrest/mistaken identity, wrong place/wrong time situation. Do not attempt to show them (the cops of course) that "it wasn't me".

Especially if surrounded like those folks were. That is unless you want the "suicide by cop thing". Your choice.

I sincerely hope you never have to go through what I did. Or what those folks went through. The survivors will have their day in court.

Mr F, well, some folks believe he will meet his maker, sooner or later (judgement day), in the final court.

Sometimes it really is better to live to fight another day. I'm betting Mr F's family thinks so.

Geno