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If you fail to kill an intruder because your sights are off 2-3 inches, its not the zero issue.
If we are talking hostage or head shot only, totally different and I"m expecting anyone doing this is going to know their zero exactly as its not so much a heat of the moment shot but a precision shot.
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I know a guy who has been shot and survived in spite of the horrendous scars he has where the bullet actually deflected off bone and exited then re-entered his chest. The bullet bounced all around his chest and stomach missing his vitals. He didn't just lay down and wait to bleed out.
I couldn't care less how anyone else sights in but I hope folks will at least look at the info presented in the links and try it for themselves.
As for hostages and head shots, I've only tried it on cardboard while watching others do the same. It can be quite humbling when a shot slips into the white...
BTW, which red dot are you running on your HD AR?
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for me nothing fancy just a T1 Micro with 2 MOA dot at 1/3 Co-witness using the DD "bolt it on with blue lock-tite" mount some steel flip ups forget whose they are now the gun is a DD M4V11 along with a Steamlight TLR-1 HL. Nothing high tech or cutting edge.
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I put the T2 on my 6920 and mounted the tlr1 HL on the gas block. Using a Troy rear flip up.
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mine is the TLR-1 HPL my mistake. It works outside well.
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Thanks GaryVA. That link confirms I'm very comfortable with my 50 yd. zero.
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GaryVA.........thanks for the link. Here's another one that's also pretty good, developed by Larry Vickers. Zen of the 100 Meter Zero MM
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MM, did you alter the USMC backup sights on your KAC somehow to run a 100 meter zero?, or you just talking about running a 100 meter zero with the aimpoint, while running the 50/200 zero on your KAC BUIS?? My last training day, I ran a 300 round mix of ammo testing the KAC BUIS with the 50/200 zero. Ran drills from near point blank all the way out to 500, and it was the bomb. I prefer keeping the same 50/200 zero on the aimpoint mounted lower 1/3rd cw. But, there was at least one LMT SBR running the same drills using a 100 meter zero which did well, other than maybe some holdover issues at the longer ranges, but an SBR is not really designed to shoot that far anyway. Best
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MM, did you alter the USMC backup sights on your KAC somehow to run a 100 meter zero?, or you just talking about running a 100 meter zero with the aimpoint, while running the 50/200 zero on your KAC BUIS?? My BUIS are set to 50/200 on both KAC's. The 16" has a 1-4x SWFA scope with turrets zeroed at 100. The 18" is intended generally for more longer range stuff & has a 3x10x NF with turrets zeroed at 200. My bangers than have either low x scopes or red dots that are zeroed at 100 with BUIS zeroed at 50. Different setups for different specifics but still lots of overlap & flexibility. MM
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Gary what kind of accuracy can you expect out of one of the 16 in KAC guns with a chromed barrel!? I got a DD M4V11 that shoot most anything into 2-4 MOA I am not overly happy with it it
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Gary what kind of accuracy can you expect out of one of the 16 in KAC guns with a chromed barrel!? I got a DD M4V11 that shoot most anything into 2-4 MOA I am not overly happy with it it What ammo are you shooting that gives you 2-4 MOA?
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Those that desire accuracy need to learn that its paid for in known names.... not DD or crap like that...
You go to a smith, get a Krieger, Rock, Obermeyer, Bartlein etc...
You only do it once and smile. Instead of buying and selling this and that and so on..
YMMV, but the results are likely to be very much the same in the end. Proven will work, the rest are just a guess.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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The most accurate chrome lined barrels I have seen have been Colt. Even those will only throw ball ammo into 2+ MOA groups.
I know you might pay a lot for those chrome lined DD, KAC, etc high dollar barrels, but I've never seen them shoot worth a hoot. (<=3/4 MOA for 5 shots or even <= 1MOA for that matter).
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Gary what kind of accuracy can you expect out of one of the 16 in KAC guns with a chromed barrel!? I got a DD M4V11 that shoot most anything into 2-4 MOA I am not overly happy with it it Par for the course with these Mod2s seem to be around 1 moa. Shoots 193s surprisingly well, with stuff like the mk262s exceedingly well, at or under moa. Though it is a 5.56, the 16" doesn't seem finicky, shoots quality 223(FED LE 62) without issue so far. I've been shooting around moa +/- with the military and training ammo, not sure how tiny a group I could post from a bench with purpose built match ammo. This rifle is purpose built for battle, not x-count. But it is nice, however, having an ultra reliable battle rifle that also shoots very, very accurately. http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/
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