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One of the early Norma 205, 7x57 advocates was Ike Ellis, a gun dealer and very good stockmaker from Idaho Falls. Among other animals, he killd a grizzly with, as I recall, a 140 Partition at around 3100 fps from a 22" barrel.
I got to know Ike pretty well in his later years, partly through buying a very nice Frank Pachmayr 1903 Springfield custom rifle from him. He told me he hadn't pushed handloads like that for decades--and was a happier many because of it!
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John after watching a pal blow a primer in the 06 with a dose of H205, it was the beginning of the "end" for me, too! Astonishingly, through all this play, I only blew two primers...one in the 338 with H205,and another in the 280. In both cases i switched bullets without backing off first...another story. The velocity readings for that 30/06 were above what we'd call "normal". He got away with it for awhile. I think all this is still good stuff to know. But it made me cautious and conservative,too! Did Ike Ellis know Hagel?
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Ruark and Selby using see-thru mounts!?!
I can almost hear the cheering in Pennsylvania.
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Nice Terry, pics when you get there...
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A lot of interesting info, guys. DF, thanks for the fascinating story! I'm definitely more of a user than a collector but one rifle on my bucket list that I'd be happy to keep in the safe forever showed up last summer in the Boise Cabelas gun library. I was up there with some friends and after dropping the girls off at the mall my buddy and I headed in to see what's what. Normally, I'm quite unimpressed with Cabelas selection and prices but when I saw her sitting there behind glass, pulled it out and saw 7x57 Mauser scrolled on the barrel I knew I was lost...(and also that serendipidity was, indeed, a thing)! For now she has the Skinner peep on which I really like and will work great in the thick stuff I've been hunting the last few years. Unfortunately, I took up bow hunting and Idaho's weird draw/open hunts near me basically mean I have to choose between rifle or bow for deer each year. Sucks. But whether I get a draw or not, like I said, this one stays. There is one more 757 dream I'd like to fulfill some day if I ever have the spare cash and that's a Merkel K3 Jagdstutzen. Piece of functioning art! Gdub's is absolutley beautiful even if it is chambering in the 'wrong' Seven.....
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I have had a 7mm rifle in the gun cabinet almost from the first one I bought. Have built a couple and still have one but have another in the works with a 1916 Erfurt small ring that I will whittle out a blind mag stock for it. Should be a nice light hill rifle. Going to run the 130/140gn bullet where my other one is set up for the 160gn weight and shoots it very nicely indeed.
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I remember that article about Dennis Hall's Ruger M77. I figured that maybe I ought to get me one, which I did. I guess the chamber and barrel dimensions were closer to normal as I never could get close to the velocities he got. I did play with H205 a bit in the 30-06 though and liked it. Naturally, I find a powder I like and they drop it. Not too sure I go with Hodgdens claim of inconsistent lots though. I've always had the thought in the back of my mind that some people might have confused H205 with Norma's N205 which could be a problem. Maybe Hodgkin was right but it's what I think. Never did get to try H205 in a 7x57. Might have been interesting. Paul B.
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Well Parson, I see you're getting ready for the Zombie Pig Apocalypse. Maybe Hornady will turn out some green-tipped GMXs for you. That and a Bombay Bowler and I'd be set!!
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I always thought it was the perennial darling already. I've seen the .222 mentioned a bit lately and of course Ingwe has one so the lemmings should be lining up in the starting blocks. Seriously though it is such a fine old round it would be cool to see all those old sakos and 700 V's pulled out of the back of the the safes.
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If the 7x57 is the "insurgent" cartridge for 2016, what are your thoughts out there: the various bolt actions available or a Ruger 1A?
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If the 7x57 is the "insurgent" cartridge for 2016, what are your thoughts out there: the various bolt actions available or a Ruger 1A? I have both. Take your pick.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Well Parson, I see you're getting ready for the Zombie Pig Apocalypse. Maybe Hornady will turn out some green-tipped GMXs for you. That and a Bombay Bowler and I'd be set!! Don't forget copious quantities of Tanqueray, for Zombie Pig bites, of course.
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If the 7x57 is the "insurgent" cartridge for 2016, what are your thoughts out there: the various bolt actions available or a Ruger 1A? I have both. Take your pick. I too have both. A win win situation. Paul B.
Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them. MOLON LABE
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Really enjoyed reading the article DF....
Thanks!!
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Way back around 1990 or so, give or take a few years, I saw an ad from Grice Gun Shop for a 7X57 Winchester Lightweight. They claimed the rifle was made for the European market, as it had iron sights on it. Anyway, I bought one, and used it for several years on whitetails. I haven't fired that rifle in probably 10 years. I didn't want to hurt the wood stock by hauling it in and out of deer stands, so I bought a fiberglass stock and put on it. Reading these posts makes me want to dig it out of the safe and shoot it again. Luckily I was able to lay in a supply of brass when it was plentiful.
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Don't forget copious quantities of Tanqueray, for Zombie Pig bites, of course. Will Bombay work? It sort of goes with the hat.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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I always thought it was the perennial darling already. I've seen the .222 mentioned a bit lately and of course Ingwe has one... Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ingwe's fav--- 222 Magnum? Elkhunternm (Ken) will know. Jerry
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