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Paying to shoot pest is like paying to plow snow in someone's parking lot.
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I don't have any sympathy for them if they won't allow hunting for free or for a very minimal price. The argument that they might get sued doesn't hold much water because they can easily purchase liability insurance if they don't already have it (just like virtually every hunting club). Additionally, in most states, the duties of a landowner who is allows access to property for free is to advise of known risks. I don't buy the argument that they can't allow hunting for free for fear of injuries.
I doesn't matter if you buy it or not or if they take all the precautions you listed or not. Who in the hell wants to get drug to court every time some clown sprains their leg and runs off to hire some ambulance chasing lawyer. Even if you win every case you lose. In this country, anybody can sue anybody for any reason, then your left defending yourself. This is a prime example of why we need tort reform and why a landowner doesn't want strangers on his property.. Absolutely. Unfortunately we now live in a Society where everything is always "Someone else's Fault". There is very little "Self Responsibility" anymore. Just try to afford Insurance after it happens just one time. I have to deal with this reality daily on my property.
When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.
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Texas must ave too many fruckin lawyers , if getting sued by hunters on your property is such a great problem
virtually no one charges for hunting in these parts , and I have yet to hear of a landowner actually getting sued by a hunter..... I would have sworn I paid to hunt pheasants in your state. And saw signs indicating that quite a few landowners wanted paying hunters. =========== And hefty prices, too. As to the topic, when did the 24H crew become soured to capitalism? If a Texas landowner or any other landowner can market hunts and he then easily secures those willing to pay for those hunts; the more power to him. The hunters determine the FMV for the hunts, not the landowners.
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you were likely in central SD and it is true pheasant hunting is a big money game there.....still dont hear of anyone getting sued
I am speaking of my own locality , the NE is a good mixed bag area for waterfowl , deer , yotes , and some years pheasant
and pay hunting is the exception to the rule Sweet, can I come hunt your land next fall?
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They're not losing it bad enough or they wouldn't charge so much for hunters to come kill them. . Exactly! I have friends and family in Texas. I ask about hogs and they says yeah there are hogs. Then I start asking who has shot one and how many. Everything goes silent. I would love to hunt some but it's expensive. I would say the hog deal is over blown and somewhat of a myth
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I'm not naming anyone. But I know a lot of ranchers who let other folks hunt the hogs on their places for FREE!!!!! And they are generally INVITED to do so. And many times the hunters are told they may bring a trusted friend.
But what always rubbed me the wrong way was when folks you barely knew would come up and "offer their services" to help you with your "problem"..... Happened to me at least once a week at the shop. Instead of asking "do you know anyone who might be interested in some hog hunters, we'd be glad to pay?" It was generally the former.
And yes there were the rare individual who would ask the latter. And they owould generally find a place. And ranchers generally received them quite well. And they were treated fairly by the landowner.
I don't think it as much of a case of liability (which can be an issue) as it is a case of a landowner gettng burned by individuals with little or no hunting ethics. And it generally takes at least one hunt to vet folks. Sometimes that can be costly for the rancher.
Many just don't want to take that risk.
And there are a lot of folks out there that think ALL ranchers have "ranch hands and wets" working for them. Which is Total BS. Usually just a one man operation.
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Texas must ave too many fruckin lawyers , if getting sued by hunters on your property is such a great problem
virtually no one charges for hunting in these parts , and I have yet to hear of a landowner actually getting sued by a hunter..... Do you open up all of your land to let anyone that wants to go hunt on it? I let quite a few folks hunt , in comparison to the amount of acres I own...hell it hardly makes a difference as trespassers run roughshod over the place if you aint watching every second
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Tannerite will do it  or maybe turn a bunch of jaguars loose? I think Birdwatcher found some historical references from the 1800's, where even then, people were complaining about too many hogs. 
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As to the topic, when did the 24H crew become soured to capitalism?
Lately, it appears Capitalism, free speech, and civil liberties in general are taking a hit, here. Sieg Heil, my man....
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Nobody has a problem with a profit it's just hard to understand the mindset of "I have a pest problem come here and pay me to help with it" if you're not used to it.
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you were likely in central SD and it is true pheasant hunting is a big money game there.....still dont hear of anyone getting sued
I am speaking of my own locality , the NE is a good mixed bag area for waterfowl , deer , yotes , and some years pheasant
and pay hunting is the exception to the rule Sweet, can I come hunt your land next fall? I don't know , are you going to sue me ?
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You mean like:
Individual rights trump all. I think the government killed Scalia. I don't care if the family thinks nothing is wrong, the government, that I don't trust, should do an autopsy.
Government that I don't trust steps over the family's wishes (I'm for family's wishes, unless I'm not). They (government) find no foul play. Since I don't trust the government, and think they had him killed, they obviously 'doctored' the autopsy results to fit their agenda.
Now I'm pissed because the government stepped over the family's wishes, just so they could provide us with some make believe report.
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RWE, how close are the hogs to you in N.C.? I've hunted them near the S.C. border in N.C.
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you were likely in central SD and it is true pheasant hunting is a big money game there.....still dont hear of anyone getting sued
I am speaking of my own locality , the NE is a good mixed bag area for waterfowl , deer , yotes , and some years pheasant
and pay hunting is the exception to the rule Sweet, can I come hunt your land next fall? I don't know , are you going to sue me ? It depends, do you have liability insurance?
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RWE, how close are the hogs to you in N.C.? I've hunted them near the S.C. border in N.C. I've heard reports in neighboring counties, but have yet to see one, nor see any damage caused by them on our property. And as far as the reports go, I've yet to see a photo attached to any of them.
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I hunted them north of Wadesboro. They were definitely doing some damage there.
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Paying to shoot pest is like paying to plow snow in someone's parking lot. What if the owner of the private parking lot doesn't want you to plow it? You get mad when he says "No"?
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Paying to shoot pest is like paying to plow snow in someone's parking lot. What if the owner of the private parking lot doesn't want you to plow it? You get mad when he says "No"? No,but I might ask wtf if he got stuck in the snow and bitched about it later in the day.
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Paying to shoot pest is like paying to plow snow in someone's parking lot. What if the owner of the private parking lot doesn't want you to plow it? You get mad when he says "No"? No,but I might ask wtf if he got stuck in the snow and bitched about it later in the day. I doubt he'd call you to bitch. BTW... What part of "Hunting isn't putting a dent in the feral hog problem" do some of you not get?
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you were likely in central SD and it is true pheasant hunting is a big money game there.....still dont hear of anyone getting sued
I am speaking of my own locality , the NE is a good mixed bag area for waterfowl , deer , yotes , and some years pheasant
and pay hunting is the exception to the rule Sweet, can I come hunt your land next fall? I don't know , are you going to sue me ? It depends, do you have liability insurance? sure.....you need liablity whether you let hunters in or not.....does that mean youre going to sue ?
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