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I've never bought an Apple product but glad to see they stood up to big brother.

Give the damn phone to a 12 year old girl to open. Problem solved.

Around here a corporation can't let in criminals, known or unknown without recourse.

No one is cheering for one side or the other when it comes to breaking the law or refusing to be held accountable; at the very least, no one at a corporation can force people to buy or fund their corporation unless the government (and panty twisted judges) forces them to do so.....

We'd be lucky if the government was ran as well as Enron....

You give the Government an inch and the will take the whole ruler. Good for Apple, if I was the FBI I would be ashamed to admit I couldn't hack an IPHONE. Says a lot about the FBI

I've been in the cyber security field for 20 years. If a company puts in a "backdoor" for some agency to exploit to get around the encryption, the bad guys will soon enough figure out how to do it also, including terrorists. They may think they are gaining security by being able to mine for criminal data in the short run, but in the long run, there will just be less security because of it.

No, they have been asked to create a new operating system that can be installed on this phone and then allow the Feds to use it.

That's a whole lot different than giving the phone to apple and they crack it, dump the data onto a Zip drive and hand the Zip drive over after incinerating the phone to ensure the government doesn't get the new back door operating system.

I don't remember the who, what, when, but a couple years back an encryption outfit went out of business because the feds were asking for a key. They did not comply also because they simply could not. Only the customer has the key. Providing such would have ended their business anyway. If Apple caves, everyone that uses their system should sue and win. If Apple can crack it, then their system was a complete failure

The government can not assure our privacy, so I think it's great that maybe the private sector can.

NSA should know every number that was dialed. Let them work from that end.

Who needs NSA. The phone was owned by the county, so all they have to do is look at their bill.

LOL, You know so little yet talk so much.

No wonder your left leaning.

Apple has sold 700 MILLION Iphones since early 2015. Most contain private information such as medical and financial data, as well as contact info.

Yeah, great idea - let's give the Gov access to that.

To which they later caved, if you recall..

In that, I agree totally..

The goobermint lets in radicals that kills Americans whether by ineptness or design.

Now they use this as an excuse to destroy the civil rights of American's, either as a recourse of a lack of actionable human intel, or just taking advantage of the situation.

[bleep] the administration.

Seal the borders, be proactive in vetting immigrants, and stop being pussy's in the foreign intel arena and you won't have to piss on the rights of your citizens.

This is what should be done with this particular phone, after receiving a court order. No blanket government order at all in play. miles

Spot on!!

That would be ok, maybe,...except apple doesn't have a way to retrieve the information, and they don't want to design a way

It's not that the Feds want Apple to hack the phones. It's that the Feds want to have Apple turn over to the Feds the encryption software and all the rest of the data security features of the Apple devices so the FEDS can then hack the phones.

Apple is saying no.

If the Feds got that information, they could then - whenever they chose to do so - hack any Apple device they wanted to.

Also, to date Apple has been FAR more secure with it's information from data breaches than has the Feds (i.e., the Feds could lose control of that information, further compromising Apple security and the security of Apple devices).

If the Feds wanted the data from the phones, they have the legal authority to have Apple hack the phones and turn over the data. That's not what the Feds are asking for; they want the information from Apple on how to hack Apple devices.

Huge difference.

Apple can get that information off of the phone, and will if they are asked to do exactly that. The Feds aren't asking them for that; they want to be able to hack Apple devices themselves.

Apple has already "opened" over seventy other phones for LE agencies prior to this. All apple has to do is take the phone, crack the code, mine the data and give it to the FBI. Lose the tinfoil...

What really hits me about this damned situation: We The People have lost ALL FAITH AND TRUST in OUR GOVERNMENT!
No[actually hell no]I'm not a conspiracy theorist as I know it's an impossibility that all of the .gov could never get on the same page to conspire, but some alphabet agencies have proven that they can't handle having the power.

Let's try a theoretical...that could easily turn into a reality...

What if down the road we have another terrorist attack?

What about a swarm of attacks?

Use whatever theoretical number you wish for the number dead.

What if the terrorists are apprehended & when their phone records are checked, it comes to light they were in contact with some of the same individuals tied to the duo in San Bernardino??? Wouldn't Apple be culpable??? Isn't it still law that felons lose their civil rights??? Once a person is dead, do they still have a "rights" especially after these dead people were responsible for multiple murders???

Who will blame either this president or the next for not doing their job at protecting America???