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Popular vote goes against everything the founders did. We are a nation of states. States send representatives to Congress and states send delegates to the electoral college to do the bidding of their respective states.

Washington want the electoral college because the parties only have to spend money in the swing states and sometimes just specific counties or districts.

I'd prefer a popular vote and make them have to spread their money all over . . .

What's the down side to the most votes wins?

The electoral college made sense when communication took weeks to get messages and vote totals in from across the country. It does nothing anymore to help smaller states. Having 2 senators in each state regardless of state size takes care of that.

What the electoral college does today is keep people away from the polls. With instant communication people already know the outcomes in the east hours before the polls close in the west. I'm convinced it hurts conservatives much more than liberals. California and New York are very large states with a large majority of liberal voters. Same with several others

But even though they are in the minority, there are still an awful lot of conservative voters there simply because there are so many people. It makes zero sense for them to show up at the polls, because those votes mean nothing. Even if every conservative in those 2 states voted the Democrats will win easily. You see the same in strong conservative states. Many conservatives don't vote because they know the conservative candidate will easily win without their help.

But if we based the election simply on the popular vote those votes could, and I think would make the difference.

In every election since I've been old enough to pay attention there have only been about 8-10 states that the outcome was in question. This makes voter fraud much easier. You only have to concentrate efforts in a handful of cities in a handful of states to make a difference.

Despite the outcome of the 2000 election I think Bush wins easily on popular vote if the electoral college doesn't keep people at home.

There are a few things that matter besides the presidential election.

The map shown in the OP strips a butt load of senetors from the people of Wyoming, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, etc.

Our Senetors are the only reason we have any say in the federal gov't at all. In the Senate, Idaho has as much vote as Cali, or New York. The Senate is where real conservative states hold some power.

The Senate is where Federal appointees are rejected or accepted. The Senate is where international treaties, such as the "International Arms Treaty" are ratified.

The OP's map is a Socialist's wet dream come true. It would vastly accelerate the US slide toward Communism.

This is one of the differences between the Republic as envisioned by the Founders, and a Democracy where the mob rules with what ever feels good this week.

So you be in favor of all states having equal electoral votes? Wyoming and Vermont get the same as California, and Texas. I argue the current system largely ignores the small states. Follow the money to the battle ground states such as Ohio (18), and Florida (29)with it's large electoral votes. Anyone think in the general election the presidential candidates have restless nights wondering if they are going to win Wyoming (3)or Vermont (3)? They irrelevant and that is not power. In a tight race if was a popular vote different story.

Really stupid idea.

There are a few things that matter besides the presidential election.
The map shown in the OP strips a butt load of senators from the people of Wyoming, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, etc.
Our Senators are the only reason we have any say in the federal gov't at all. In the Senate, Idaho has as much vote as Cali, or New York. The Senate is where real conservative states hold some power.
The Senate is where Federal appointees are rejected or accepted. The Senate is where international treaties, such as the "International Arms Treaty" are ratified.
The OP's map is a Socialist's wet dream come true. It would vastly accelerate the US slide toward Communism.
This is one of the differences between the Republic as envisioned by the Founders, and a Democracy where the mob rules with what ever feels good this week.