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http://www.history.com/topics/british-history/easter-risingIn the past year I have started to try and figure out Irish history. Currently wading through three books. Fascinating stuff but I must admit the names run together and I have not digested it in detail like I would like to. The Easter Rising was 100 yeas ago this month. It was a tactical failure but a strategic success. The fighters who were not shot or hung went to "war-college" in the Brit prisons, where they compared notes and solidified their resolve for Irish freedom; most notably Collins. They say this guy was the genius behind the whole effort: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/easterrising/profiles/po07.shtmlArthur Griffith 1872-1922 At the end of the Treaty negotiations, one of the British delegates commented: "A braver man than Arthur Griffith, I never met". Born without influence, and given little formal education, he became one of the founding fathers of the Irish Free State. Arthur Griffith Griffith was born in Dublin and was a printer by trade. He developed a passionate interest in Irish history and culture and became active in the Gaelic League. A gifted and influential journalist, he was made editor of several radical newspapers. He had been an admirer of Parnell but after 1891 he developed a growing contempt for the Irish Parliamentary Party and sought to map out an alternative strategy for Ireland. He rejected the use of force. Influenced by the experience of dissidents in Hungary, he argued in 1904 that Irish MPs should withdraw from Westminster and set up an assembly at home. It was his belief that the Irish electorate would support this policy and in time the British government would be compelled to support it too. Ireland would thus become a self-governing state and equal partner with Britain under the Crown. Drawing on the German economist Friedrich List, Griffith also suggested that Ireland could develop a balanced national economy, mainly through imposing high tariffs on British industrial imports. These two elements were central to the programme of the Sinn Féin party which he helped set up in 1905. It attracted little popular support but had disproportionate influence largely because of Griffith`s propaganda skills.
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I wouldn't exactly call Ireland a free state, but it's better than living under Brit rule.
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Quite honestly I have no idea of the current state of affairs in Ireland today. There for a while their economy was booming but I hear it went back down.
The wife wants to visit some day. Sounds like a hoot to me if I could ever get the time.
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Griffith was born in Dublin and was a printer by trade. He developed a passionate interest in Irish history and culture and became active in the Gaelic League. A gifted and influential journalist, he was made editor of several radical newspapers. He had been an admirer of Parnell but after 1891 he developed a growing contempt for the Irish Parliamentary Party and sought to map out an alternative strategy for Ireland. He rejected the use of force I believe it was Ho Chi Minh said of Ghandi "if India had been run by the French, Ghandi would have been sent to heaven a long time ago."
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After all the blood letting and killing was over they say that it was the wisdom of Griffith that gave the movement its staying power. He was the one who advocated that the Irish MP's get elected but then withdraw and stand alone for Ireland. It gave the whole thing a credibility it would never have had otherwise. What little that I know about it all...
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I expect to be traversing Ireland on my bicycle expedition this summer, so I'll get back to you. Meanwhile, from the Irish Times.... http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/j...e-1916-rebels-to-islamic-state-1.2591159The temptation to look at how Fleet Street covered the centenary of 1916 is of course irresistible. There is a touch of covering your face and reading through your fingers, particularly where the Daily Telegraph is concerned.
A couple of the paper’s columnists – Charles Moore and Nigel Jones – went somewhere in the last few days that writers on this side of the Irish Sea are understandably reluctant to tread.
Both have drawn comparisons between the rebels of Easter week and modern-day ideological extremism in a most high-profile manifestation: Islamic State.
The first impulse is to dismiss the suggestion that they might have some common ground as ludicrously offensive. And given the platform on which both men stand it is easy enough to do so. The Daily Telegraph is of course the bastion of the British establishment and considered by many to be in some way anti-Irish. Why should we be surprised that they want to trash the men behind a key inflexion point in Britain’s decline as the pre-eminent global power?
But we owe it to ourselves and perhaps to Pearse, Connolly and the other rebels to tease out the argument. If there is one thing that we can actually congratulate ourselves about when it comes to the current commemorative orgy, it is the willingness of people to look at 1916 from different perspectives, including the ones that make us uncomfortable.Birdwatcher
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Bird;
Thanks for that link.
The events of 1916 are a lot more convoluted than I realized. Still wading through a horse choking history book.
Catholic Bishop Cullen hated and excommunicated from the RC church "Fenian" revolutionaries. I did not know that. In addtition, RC clerical resistance to the nationalist movement made Mike Collins kinda mad and he at one time jokingly suggested they hang all the Catholic priests in Ireland. AND... Parnell, the hero of them all was a ..... PROTESTANT!
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Here's the problem with any comparison to Islam. Parnell was an Irishman first, and a Protestant second
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Here's a link to our recent recording of a well known song about those events, The Foggy Dew. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uFM7gdq0mQMandolin, guitar, banjo and whistle
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"We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God. Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, in humanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called." POBLACHT NA H EIREANN
THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT OF THE IRISH REPUBLIC
TO THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND
IRISHMEN AND IRISHWOMEN: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.
Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.
We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the last three hundred years they have asserted it to arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.
The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.
Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent National, representative of the whole people of Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the Republic in trust for the people.
We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God. Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, in humanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.
Signed on Behalf of the Provisional Government
Thomas J. Clarke,
Sean Mac Diarmada, Thomas MacDonagh,
P. H. Pearse, Eamonn Ceannt,
James Connolly, Joseph Plunkett
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_PearsePatrick Pearse, Patrick Henry Pearse (also known as Pádraic or Pádraig Pearse; Irish: Pádraig Anraí Mac Piarais; An Piarsach; 10 November 1879 – 3 May 1916) was an Irish teacher, barrister, poet, writer, nationalist and political activist who was one of the leaders of the Easter Rising in 1916. Following his execution along with fifteen other leaders, Pearse came to be seen by many as the embodiment of the rebellion....... Pearse grew up surrounded by books.[6] His father had had very little formal education, but was self-educated;[7] he had two children Emily and James, from his first marriage (two other children died in infancy). His second wife, Margaret Brady, was from Dublin, and her father's family from County Meath were native Irish speakers. The Irish-speaking influence of Pearse's great-aunt Margaret, together with his schooling at the CBS Westland Row, instilled in him an early love for the Irish language. Pearse soon became involved in the Gaelic revival. In 1896, at the age of 16, he joined the Gaelic League (Conradh na Gaeilge), and in 1903, at the age of 23, he became editor of its newspaper An Claidheamh Soluis ("The Sword of Light").[8] Pearse's early heroes were ancient Gaelic folk heroes such as Cúchulainn, though in his 30s he began to take a strong interest in the leaders of past republican movements, such as the United Irishmen Theobald Wolfe Tone and Robert Emmet[citation needed]. Both had been Protestant, but it was from such men as these that the fervently Catholic Pearse drew inspiration for the rebellion of 1916. Pearse was chosen by the leading IRB man Tom Clarke to be the spokesman for the Rising. It was Pearse who, on behalf of the IRB shortly before Easter in 1916, issued the orders to all Volunteer units throughout the country for three days of manoeuvres beginning Easter Sunday, which was the signal for a general uprising. When Eoin MacNeill, the Chief of Staff of the Volunteers, learned what was being planned without the promised arms from Germany, he countermanded the orders via newspaper, causing the IRB to issue a last-minute order to go through with the plan the following day, greatly limiting the numbers who turned out for the rising. When the Easter Rising eventually began on Easter Monday, 24 April 1916, it was Pearse who read the Proclamation of the Irish Republic from outside the General Post Office, the headquarters of the rising. After six days of fighting, heavy civilian casualties and great destruction of property, Pearse issued the order to surrender. Pearse and fourteen other leaders, including his brother Willie, were court-martialled and executed by firing squad. Thomas Clarke, Thomas MacDonagh and Pearse himself were the first of the rebels to be executed, on the morning of 3 May 1916. Pearse was 36 years old at the time of his death
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The role of religion in the troubles mostly applies to the British being protestants and the Irish catholic. An Irish friend explained that Brit/American press used religion in reporting so as to avoid escalating anti English sentiments. Like the use of pro-choice instead of pro-abortion.
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No fan of British rule but the Rising was to establish the Irish Socialist Republic. We have been given a great deal of propaganda from both sides but the truth is there some where.
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Jim Larkin and Connolly were outright communists. It is a convoluted situation.
What is current deal today is what I wonder.
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