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I really couldn't care less if Trump or Cruz either one wins the nomination and will vote for the one who wins it. I personally do believe Trump has the best chance in the general election, just because he can pull more Democrat Voters away from Hillary or Sanders to the Republican Side. My whole agenda is to keep Hillary or Sander out of the White House and if the Republican voters don't get their chit together one of these two will replace the POS who is in the White House now and then this country will be totally pucked . Wake up people before we throw away the country we grew up in, to the Democrat Communist Party. I personally don't want to become a criminal overnight because a Democrat Commie woman or over the hill Socialist says I must turn in my Weapons.
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We have seen the Republicans in Congress close ranks against Democrat Presidents who tried a "gun grab", even though a good portion of them have no strong convictions regarding the 2A. There is no reason that will change with Clinton or Sanders in the White House.
But a consortium of democrats and liberal Republicans under the "deal maker", Trump,WHO HAS SUPPORTED GUN CONTROL IN THE PAST,could set gun rights back decades.
The argument that Trump would be more likely to appoint 2A friendly judges to the S.C. is based on faith or wishful thinking, not on historical evidence.
As a single issue voter, I have NOTHING in common with forum members who are so eager to place gun rights on the pass line and roll the dice for Trump.
I'll pull the R lever for ANYBODY BUT TRUMP.
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I was listening to J. C. Watts on the radio this morning. J. C. says he is afraid The Donald won't be able to beat H-Dog in the general.
J. C. is a solid guy, pretty astute in his thinking, sure hope he's wrong.
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Hillary is going right at the NRA, and plans to allow litigation against gun manufacturer's.
Somebody has to beat her, and that is Trump, imo. It doesn't matter how strong a supporter of the 2nd amendment a guy is, if he's going to finish second.
Trump is a gun guy, don't worry. Hell, he called for more legal gun ownership in Europe after the Paris attacks. I don't remember anyone else in the race publicly taking that stance.
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A congress controlled by patriots not RINOs can stop everything including undesirable supreme court picks. A vote for the establishment RINOs is a vote for totolitarian socialism. Paul Ryan and Obama work from the same script as witnessee by the budget bill he ramrodded through. Cruzettes are working for a hung convention and a socialist candidate Paul Ryan.
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4/7/16 Cruz: “Hillary Clinton has made millions of dollars selling power and access in Washington.
And Donald Trump has made billions of dollars buying power and access in Washington.”
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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Trump has a very large base of support which won't transfer to any other candidate.
The Democrats know this. The Cruz supporters need to learn it too.
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Trump has a very large base of support which won't transfer to any other candidate. He DOESN'T have a very large base of support. That's the problem. He has his core group of supporters, which are about a 1/3 of the Republicans, and has zero depth after that. And there's an equal size group of Republicans that hate him and will never support him under any circumstance. He has an even larger group of Democrats that hate him and will never support him under any circumstance, even larger than Hillary does. He might get some of the remaining people who have no idea what they want. But in the end, he has a death grip on about 1/3 of the Republicans and he can probably count on 10% of the Democrats. That's a total of about 45% of the people. And typically half the people don't vote so he can count on about 20-25% TOPS of guaranteed support in the general election. He would have to somehow fill that 25% gap to 50% to win and he's not going to do it. The sooner people figure this out the better off we will be.
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Trump has a very large base of support which won't transfer to any other candidate. He DOESN'T have a very large base of support. That's the problem. He has his core group of supporters, which are about a 1/3 of the Republicans, and has zero depth after that. And there's an equal size group of Republicans that hate him and will never support him under any circumstance. He has an even larger group of Democrats that hate him and will never support him under any circumstance, even larger than Hillary does. He might get some of the remaining people who have no idea what they want. But in the end, he has a death grip on about 1/3 of the Republicans and he can probably count on 10% of the Democrats. That's a total of about 45% of the people. And typically half the people don't vote so he can count on about 20-25% TOPS of guaranteed support in the general election. He would have to somehow fill that 25% gap to 50% to win and he's not going to do it. The sooner people figure this out the better off we will be. That's just more rationalizations that will put Hillary in the White House. Trump is the only candidate with a chance to win the general election,..and it's definitely not even a sure bet with him. Cruz will get steamrolled.
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7 out of 10 americans find Trump unfavorable across all demographics...Trump is unelectable
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Cruz can't lead in his own parties primaries, and gets no cross over votes. The general election is not a caucus where candidate representatives get to lead the crowd into voting they way they want. The candidate who gets nominated must have enough excitement and momentum to carry voters support. Trump is the R's best bet.
You forget that Cruz carried 104 delegates out of TX his home state. Where would he be without that in the standings?
Trump hasn't had the benefit of his home state, and really the north east region yet.
It's about to get real clear who the front runner is, and by a very wide margin.
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7 out of 10 americans find Trump unfavorable across all demographics...Trump is unelectable Yet he's been the GOP frontrunner since almost the beginning of the primary. It's time to put aside the propaganda that fits what you want to be reality and look at genuine reality. Cruz=lose
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doesn't change 7 0f 10 come November
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Wisconsin was interesting in that it showed with the Democrats, Sanders can energize the Democratic vote. Hillary won one county out of 72, Milwaukee county where the democratic black machine is strong. In the rest of the counties, Sanders won, and Hillary voters did not show up.
This was bore out by a Wisconsin Supreme court race in which the conservative candidate edged out the liberal one, because Democrats did not get out the vote.
In a general election, a Hillary nominee will need something to energize her voters, especially the Sanders supporters who feel disenfranchised.
Trump as a nominee is so toxic, he will be the thing that will ENERGIZE apathetic Democrats to show up at the polls, in a way that Hillary will never be able to do.
Energized Democrats may also cost Republicans the Senate, and some Governor's races. At that point, the House will be the only firewall to stop radical gun control measures.
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Hillary is going right at the NRA, and plans to allow litigation against gun manufacturer's. Sell now. Trump is a trojan horse designed to further the agenda of George Soros. ![[Linked Image]](http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/watch4bear/231117_529490030413552_1116890795_n.jpg)
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This. If you think Trump has the best chance to beat Hilary, you're just not paying attention. Wishing it were true doesn't make it true. Trump has a very large base of support which won't transfer to any other candidate. He DOESN'T have a very large base of support. That's the problem. He has his core group of supporters, which are about a 1/3 of the Republicans, and has zero depth after that. And there's an equal size group of Republicans that hate him and will never support him under any circumstance. He has an even larger group of Democrats that hate him and will never support him under any circumstance, even larger than Hillary does. He might get some of the remaining people who have no idea what they want. But in the end, he has a death grip on about 1/3 of the Republicans and he can probably count on 10% of the Democrats. That's a total of about 45% of the people. And typically half the people don't vote so he can count on about 20-25% TOPS of guaranteed support in the general election. He would have to somehow fill that 25% gap to 50% to win and he's not going to do it. The sooner people figure this out the better off we will be.
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Wow so even a thread about keeping our eyes on the prize (ie defeating Hillary) descends into the same argument that has been re-re-re-re-run here ad nauseum.
Hillary will win. It's done; one needn't look any further than this board to see why.
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7 out of 10 americans find Trump unfavorable across all demographics...Trump is unelectable Yet he's been the GOP frontrunner since almost the beginning of the primary. It's time to put aside the propaganda that fits what you want to be reality and look at genuine reality. Cruz=lose It's not about what we'd like at this point, or even what the opinions of a certain faction think. A person needs to take a broader view and see what 'the people' are saying. I really don't find much to like about either of the two top contenders (GOP). (Actually, there is plenty about each that I don't like to the point of being destructive.) 'We' promoted Trump to where he is because 'we' were so scared of the other side (Hillary), that we thought anyone who could win would be great. Well, winning the primary isn't the ultimate goal, and some people realize that. Enter the next strongest contender. That person, as repugnant as he is in many ways, is Cruz. Cruz has many negatives, but he isn't anywhere as bad as Trump is in negatives. Cruz might not be able to beat the Beast, but Trump most surely won't. Great muddle we've chosen. Again.
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Well.... No........ for me it is not about defeating Hillary at any cost.
I gave my reasons why I think gun rights are better served with Hillary than with Trump.
Of course I'll never vote for her, but I won't vote for Trump either if by some quirk of fate he winds up the Nominee.
There will be someone besides those two on the ballot.
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