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I was just perusing the Algebra requirements for high school and I noticed that in California Special Ed students are required to take and pass algebra.
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I was just perusing the Algebra requirements for high school and I noticed that in California Special Ed students are required to take and pass algebra. How is "Special Ed" defined?
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I was just perusing the Algebra requirements for high school and I noticed that in California Special Ed students are required to take and pass algebra. why shouldn't they be required Algebra like any other student? Just because a child is in special ed doesn't necessarily mean they are stupid.
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Too many want to just make [bleep] up to complain about... hell I was getting algebra in early grade school... didn't agree with their choice of mandatory second language though! Phil
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I was just perusing the Algebra requirements for high school and I noticed that in California Special Ed students are required to take and pass algebra. why shouldn't they be required Algebra like any other student? Just because a child is in special ed doesn't necessarily mean they are stupid. Spot on hence my question above. I have known and worked with many "Special Ed" folks that were bright as hell. I am guessing that Steven Hawking was a "Special Ed" kid...
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Hawking didn't find out he had ALS until he was in college. I believe he was quite normal before that, Joe.
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Many special ed. students ARE stupid -- so stupid we call them retarded. I have no problem with a special ed. student taking algebra if they want to, but to require them to do so is insane.
My mother and my wife could never get their heads around algebra, and most people would say they were above average intelligence. Just being "smart" without knowing a person's Quantitative intelligence doesn't say much about a person's ability to do algebra.
A lifetime of experience has taught me that most people haven't mastered the math taught in grades 6-7 (fractions, percentages, and proprotionality). Probably only the people with the top 10% mathematical ability should take algebra -- and most of them will use very little of it in their jobs. So why bother? Probably only the top 1% will ever use algebra. I found that being able to write well (using proper grammar) is a much more useful skill.
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100% agree postoak.
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I was just perusing the Algebra requirements for high school and I noticed that in California Special Ed students are required to take and pass algebra. why shouldn't they be required Algebra like any other student? Just because a child is in special ed doesn't necessarily mean they are stupid. Spot on hence my question above. I have known and worked with many "Special Ed" folks that were bright as hell. I am guessing that Steven Hawking was a "Special Ed" kid... Exactly. In this state a student can receive "Special Ed", for something such as a speech impediment that has no effect of their cognitive skills. Definitions matter.
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I was just perusing the Algebra requirements for high school and I noticed that in California Special Ed students are required to take and pass algebra. CA algebra: 1 + 1 = 3. Ah yes, the common core version works every time. You get a free democrat voter ID card, an EBT worth hundreds and your first job guarantees $15/hr if you are so motivated.
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My mother and my wife could never get their heads around algebra, and most people would say they were above average intelligence.
Man, we're in serious deep shiznit if an "above average intelligence" American can't do what the average year 5 Chinese primary school kid has to do. Now I really hate to burst your bubble, but since his 9 year old big brother gets to do "mystery numbers", my 7 year old is demanding his first taste of basic one unknown algebra. But to your point, he is pretty good with numbers. FYI - "Proprotionality" [sic]. I'm not normally a spelling Nazi, but when you tout your English skills as being more important than learning Algebra, I feel you leave yourself open to criticism...
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I was just perusing the Algebra requirements for high school and I noticed that in California Special Ed students are required to take and pass algebra. Special Ed students aren't all mentally retarded. Some are in Special Ed merely for dyslexia, for example. And I don't see how you legitimately give someone a high school diploma if they can't pass Algebra I and II anyway.
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Yeah, of the Special Ed kids I've seen around here, a few are wheelchair bound, or almost, and social issues (Aspergers).
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California Algebra
Z + (3X+2Y/S)= K
Where:
Z = Governor X = Special Activists Y = Legislators S = Blithering idiots K = Clusterphuoc Magnitude
I am..........disturbed.
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At some point the term "Stupid" must be recognized. Surely you jest... It's CA, fer the love of Mike..
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Here we go trying to stuff every peg in the same hole. I know lots of really smart people that have very little to no mechanical ability, and on the reverse side, a very good electrician neighbor that can fix most anything is lacking in some ways. I am a fair fixer of things but was not always that way. My natural ability in that area was not strong but my curiosity helped me along the way. miles
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My mother and my wife could never get their heads around algebra, and most people would say they were above average intelligence.
Man, we're in serious deep shiznit if an "above average intelligence" American can't do what the average year 5 Chinese primary school kid has to do. Now I really hate to burst your bubble, but since his 9 year old big brother gets to do "mystery numbers", my 7 year old is demanding his first taste of basic one unknown algebra. But to your point, he is pretty good with numbers. FYI - "Proprotionality" [sic]. I'm not normally a spelling Nazi, but when you tout your English skills as being more important than learning Algebra, I feel you leave yourself open to criticism... It's well documented that east Asians have higher quant skills than Europeans, on average, but I'm skeptical that a 5 YO can do any meaningful algebra. A spelling error has nothing -- nothing -- to do with my belief that writing well is a more important skill than higher math for the overwhelming majority of people.
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A lifetime of experience has taught me that most people haven't mastered the math taught in grades 6-7 (fractions, percentages, and proprotionality). Probably only the people with the top 10% mathematical ability should take algebra -- and most of them will use very little of it in their jobs. So why bother? Probably only the top 1% will ever use algebra. I found that being able to write well (using proper grammar) is a much more useful skill. Another take on it. Algebra is even more important than basic mathematics today. Why? In a word spreadsheets. If you can't do Algebra then you're not going to be able write formulas in spreadsheets and everyone from Administrative Assistants to sales people to every profession I can come up with uses spreadsheets on a daily basis. The spreadsheet takes care of the math but you have to know how to write a correct formula to make it work. While most of us memorized multiplication tables out to 12x12 in our day, I'm not sure that's what we need to teach kids today.
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