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Besides handguns I keep three shotguns in different place's in the house...not in display mode. This one, another 870 and a Mod. 97 18". I'm not paranoid, just careful. wink

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Originally Posted by RoninPhx

the moral of the story is even a shotgun is not always indicative of immediately putting a guys lights out.


But I'll bet he wan't able to fight any more after he was shot with it though.

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I wanna see a picture of Bob's vest.


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine



I still keep a shotgun handy. Basic 870, 18", 6-round magazine, magpul stock. Along with the Glocks and an AR carbine.

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I would say you are quite well armed, and coupled with your couple decades of service, a force to be reckoned with.


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Originally Posted by alukban

If you do carry a .380, I am honestly interested in your reason why you do so.

What firearm did you choose and how do you carry said weapon?




aluk,

you really got a thread going here...it should surely march onward...


that Taxi stuff nearly put me on the floor--great laughs.



"you boys gonna pull them pistols or whistle Dixie?"



they are a little hard to find, but one of the better made .380 rigs was the Beretta model 70s. all steel, so fairly heavy, and significantly bigger than a Ruger LCP by contrast, so not a real good reason to ever carry one in this day and age.

if you're asking this question for some idea/direction, i'd bet most fellas here will point you towards a good, compact, modern 9mm Lugger....


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Originally Posted by Hi_Vel


they are a little hard to find, but one of the better made .380 rigs was the Beretta model 70s. all steel, so fairly heavy, and significantly bigger than a Ruger LCP by contrast, so not a real good reason to ever carry one in this day and age.


Yes, the Beretta 70s is a great pistol for a 380...........I still have one that I bought new.

But you're right; might as well carry a comparably sized 9mm today.

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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine



I still keep a shotgun handy. Basic 870, 18", 6-round magazine, magpul stock. Along with the Glocks and an AR carbine.

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I would say you are quite well armed, and coupled with your couple decades of service, a force to be reckoned with.



Generally I'm more inclined to grab the AR carbine for any sign of trouble with humans.

We live rural, but have several neighbors within stray bullet range. It seems sensible to keep a shotgun handy primarily for critter trouble outdoors, esp after dark. No need to be concerned about projectiles traveling to the neighbors.

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I am rather fond of the 870 myself

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fire two blasts out the window, as well! I am not making any noise fellas you all do as your compelled.

But when it comes to home defense, I believe that while the racking of a shotgun can be an assertive sound recognized by man and beast alike, it is also akin to yelling out, “Mr. Bad Guy, I am in here and I am armed. Please take your time, contemplate your actions, and if you still decide not to leave my home, you may now figure out how best to assault me!”


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I putting a bayonet lug on my 870...


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Originally Posted by T LEE
I am rather fond of the 870 myself



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Old cat turd!

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Originally Posted by 4ager
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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
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Here is one I keep in my bed room. Since it'll be used inside at close range, I keep it loaded with 1 1/2 ounces of copper plated BB's just for giggles. This one has a seven round magazine.


How in the world do you KNOW where your firearm will be used, and the apparent fact that the range will be short?

I have never been able to pre-determine what range my next shooting would occur at, let alone exactly where it was going to happen.

If you have a Crystal Ball, I sure would like to borrow it.


No problem. That shotgun stays in my bedroom ALL THE TIME and is ALWAYS in the same location so I don't have to look for it. That is because I intend to only use it in the bed room and highly likely at night since that is the only time I am usually in the bed room. Therefore I can predetermine the range at which I will use it and exactly where I will use THAT PARTICULAR SHOTGUN.

See how easy that is and you don't even need a ctystal ball to figure the range or where it will be used. Well, maybe you do. Some people just can't seem to figure these kinds of things out for themselves. I guess you can always dial 911. Good luck with that.


If you're going to try to come off as a bad ass and pick a fight about defensive capabilities and engaging bad guys, you MIGHT just want to choose someone other than Mackay to start it with.

Just a hint, before you end up looking like a complete buffoon and a total ass.


According to 4ager, all of you boys with the shotguns are quote:"Trying to come off as bad asses and picking fights about defensive capabilities. So all of you might want to just knock it off before you end up looking like complete buffons and asses."

But I see that you boys pay about as much attention to him as I do, so carry on.

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Here's a 15 second clip of me with my 870 "house" gun. It also works great for rattlesnakes at the Ranch.

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Originally Posted by BobWills
Originally Posted by 4ager
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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Originally Posted by BobWills


Here is one I keep in my bed room. Since it'll be used inside at close range, I keep it loaded with 1 1/2 ounces of copper plated BB's just for giggles. This one has a seven round magazine.


How in the world do you KNOW where your firearm will be used, and the apparent fact that the range will be short?

I have never been able to pre-determine what range my next shooting would occur at, let alone exactly where it was going to happen.

If you have a Crystal Ball, I sure would like to borrow it.


No problem. That shotgun stays in my bedroom ALL THE TIME and is ALWAYS in the same location so I don't have to look for it. That is because I intend to only use it in the bed room and highly likely at night since that is the only time I am usually in the bed room. Therefore I can predetermine the range at which I will use it and exactly where I will use THAT PARTICULAR SHOTGUN.

See how easy that is and you don't even need a ctystal ball to figure the range or where it will be used. Well, maybe you do. Some people just can't seem to figure these kinds of things out for themselves. I guess you can always dial 911. Good luck with that.


If you're going to try to come off as a bad ass and pick a fight about defensive capabilities and engaging bad guys, you MIGHT just want to choose someone other than Mackay to start it with.

Just a hint, before you end up looking like a complete buffoon and a total ass.


According to 4ager, all of you boys with the shotguns are quote:"Trying to come off as bad asses and picking fights about defensive capabilities. So all of you might want to just knock it off before you end up looking like complete buffons and asses."

But I see that you boys pay about as much attention to him as I do, so carry on.


Glad to know you've spent your weekend thinking about me, Bob. Considering that you're tracking my posts now, you pay me quite a bit of attention.

I was a bit premature in when you'd make a complete buffoon and a total ass of yourself, though. It came later.


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America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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When you said you go to the juke joints to satisfy a craving for bourbon, guitar, and blues, I took you at your word.

My mistake.

Yeah, I've done my share of tending bar, pushing customers out at closing, counting cash, and cleaning up.


When I was a young bad a$$ (1969..ya I'm old) I worked part time as a bouncer in the most popular night spot in town. I carried a Baby Browning in my pocket. Back then you didn't have a choice of ammo in .25cal. The local law told me if I ever had to shoot someone with that little pea shooter to make sure they weren't on the other side of a screen door. laugh It's amazing that I lived through those years. eek


I want to see you shoot a Baby Browning. 1/2 finger on the grip? How did you get your finger in and out of the trigger guard? Those things are tiny, and you ain't.

Hell, given the alternative between being shot by a .25 or having you whoop on them, you might have gotten a surprising number of takers for the .25. wink


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America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I tried carrying a Para-Ordinance P-12, Detonics Combat Masterpiece, S&W AirLite J frame. After a few hours they were all too big, too heavy, generally uncomfortable no matter how I carried them. Consequently I'd rarely carry. Finally acquired a Seecamp in .380 and now I'm rarely not carrying. Its the smallest .380 available I believe, very well made, a bit pricy but much cheaper than the collection of small guns that came before it. It fits easily in a rear pocket holster the size of a wallet. It is rather unpleasant to shoot, hurts the trigger finger. But if it is needed it is likely to be with me rather than in the gun safe. A .45 would certainly be more effective but I figure anyone receiving a round or two of .380 Silvertips had better seek medical attention rather than continue the altercation.




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Originally Posted by grizz47
Seecamp in .380 ... is rather unpleasant to shoot, hurts the trigger finger.
Exactly my opinion of the Ruger LCP. I can get two mags full out of one before it starts to become unpleasant to shoot. After five or six mags full, and my shooting hand is near useless (along with uncontrollable shaking) for several hours. It's a good pocket gun, though, because you don't care about that when you're going for your gun for life saving purposes, and you can't get much smaller in an effective caliber for carrying in your pants pocket.

That said, I generally don't carry a pocket gun. My regular carry gun is a Glock 17 carried IWB.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by Hi_Vel


they are a little hard to find, but one of the better made .380 rigs was the Beretta model 70s. all steel, so fairly heavy, and significantly bigger than a Ruger LCP by contrast, so not a real good reason to ever carry one in this day and age.


Yes, the Beretta 70s is a great pistol for a 380...........I still have one that I bought new.

But you're right; might as well carry a comparably sized 9mm today.

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MM,

I've read your posts over the past few years, and have gathered from them that you very much advocate the 1911's--and the better ones at that. Astute choices. With that in mind, I wasn't surprised to see that you own a Beretta m 70s, one of the best .380's ever made. All steel, single action, the 1911 style safety, and similar trigger make for good medicine...and like the 1911 system, it is perhaps best utilized by more experienced handgunners who choose to tote the .380 Auto round.

Taking nothing away from the Beretta 70s, H&K P7 K3, or the DA Walther PPKs-- these days--with so many beginners obtaining permits--i think many of them are better off with DAO rigs--and a reasonable share of these folks are even better off with a revolver--due to its simplicity. The trend to develop/miniaturize rigs lately seems to be about one of the hottest things going.

In .380, great rigs that are on the tiny side are the Seecamp, Kahr, Ruger LCP, etc. As much as I like the Seecamp, I prefer it in the .32 instead--and while the Kahr is one of the best rigs, for personal reasons I'll not invest in one...

Not long after the Ruger LCP first came out, I believe it was in the late summer of 2008 that I tried one out. Was surprised to be able to put 5 out of 5 rounds into the inner circle of a paper plate at 20 yards/60 feet offhand, slowfire. Surprised, in that the crude sights actually were milled such that it was "zeroed". The LCP is a fairly good pistol...

Shane's reference to Josey and Taxi got me good, as I could see in my mind's eye that green army coat, and the ridiculous "tire skid" haircut (of course along with a .22 rimfire Escort mistakenly billed in that film as a .25 Auto....)

With advances in the industry, there are many good choices for a suitable .380 Auto--and as the industry continues to advance, the tiny 9 mm's will become even more and more appealing for everyday CC...


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Originally Posted by Hi_Vel
With advances in the industry, there are many good choices for a suitable .380 Auto--and as the industry continues to advance, the tiny 9 mm's will become even more and more appealing for everyday CC...


Very true, and they have already got the .380's so small and the ammo so hot, it's now difficult to shoot and control some of them. About all you can say about them is they are better than having nothing in your pocket when a bad guy comes around. They are about to get the 9mm's to that same stage. At some point you have to begin to question how far some of this kind of thing can go and if you really want to go there. You might be better off with a slightly larger, heavier, easier to shoot and control pistol, but then, would you then also carry it like you would do a smaller, lighter pistol? That is the question all of us have to decide for ourselves. But you have to ask yourself how much of a compromise can you make on size and weight and still be able to shoot the darn thing well, and if you can't shoot it well, why bother?

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