|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 10,842
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 10,842 |
Magnums kill big deer "more" dead
Especially if you have a non resident license or you are using a guide
Heaven forbid leaving the country to hunt way way off without a magnum either
Just don't risk it.......
Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 29,383
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 29,383 |
Cant have too much gun....The deer in North Central Kansas are large! When the next deer could be a B&C, I want all the gun I can shoot. Sound advice, especially when you're traveling from out of state and only have a few days to hunt. Large bodied deer that are full of testosterone can soak up a lot of lead before giving up the ghost. Cartridge choice is a personal matter but I've always figured that as long as I can handle the recoil, at the very least there's no disadvantage to using a bigger one. Jim Shockey says that a 338 win mag is not out of place in Saskatchewan
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 930
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 930 |
I think if someone showed up at our place with a 338 mag that the ridicule would be somewhat similar to showing up with a 270 Win.... But then again we have just a few very small deer.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
Most of those stories about "lead packing big deer" are the result of the nature of the animal and the circumstances under which it is frequently shot. All the worse of course the bigger they are.. A truly big whitetail is a once or twice lifetime animal. They are reclusive, smart, hard to see, and appear suddenly and usually not under the best of circumstances. Shot opportunities are fleeting, frequently hurried and can occur at ANY distance from a few yards to as far as you can hit. If they aren't on the move they soon will be (count on it). You won't have much time to make the shot but if you hesitate he will be gone. Under such circumstances, if you can react quickly enough at all, it's no wonder that, despite good intentions, shots are frequently not precisely placed, and human nature says that we think that more powerful cartridges provide some margin for bad placement. It's a noble thought But I am not sure it works. I admit to being seduced by it myself in early years, but soon discovered that the real key is good field marksmanship because even the biggest bucks are very quickly killed by good bullets and correct placement from standard cartridges. The Kansas bucks shown above were killed by the 6.5 Creedmoor at 250 yards (DRT); the 270 Winchester at 180 yards (DRT), and the 270 Winchester t 50 yards (chest hit scrambled 20 yards and kaput). The best rifle you can bring on a trophy whitetail hunt is the one that you can hit a soccer ball sized target at reasonable distance,from field positions under a variety of circumstances. So long as it's reasonable,cartridges are a secondary consideration IMHO.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,209
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,209 |
I've said before that the three largest bucks I've seen killed here locally were all shot with a .243. Ranges from bow range to well over 250. Mine was the smallest and it gross scored over 170 as a mainframe 8. Hit them right with a decent bullet and get out your knife.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1 |
it gross scored over 170 as a mainframe 8 Holy smokes, that's a BFB! ___ I'm sure others have noticed a trend amongst the 5 or 6 guys in this thread that hail from the sunflower state; all know their deer and none of them are burning magnum primers to slay them.
WWP53D
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 11,393
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 11,393 |
20 years ago. Back when I didn't know any better, would just shoot any ole meat buck that walked by. .270 with 130 grain Hornady. Baseball coach was likely using a 30/06 and factory ammo on the small one. Here's ole_270s 8 point. If it wasn't a 9 point he'd have netted 170.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,268 Likes: 7
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,268 Likes: 7 |
Wow! is right......Geesh what a brute.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1 |
Here's ole_270s 8 point. If it wasn't a 9 point he'd have netted 170.
WWP53D
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 13,662
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 13,662 |
Here's ole_270s 8 point. If it wasn't a 9 point he'd have netted 170. Ha! And true! I don't have any pics, but my cousin shot an 8pt years ago that netted above 170". Truly a remarkable deer. He shot it with a single shot 12ga he bought the day before while sitting on a log with his wife smoking a cigarette...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,733
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,733 |
Awesome pics! Those are some big bodied deer. My post wasn't as much will it work, cause I know it will, but more of a sounding board for people's opinions. I have narrowed my collection to only 3 magnum class rifles. My go to rifles are a Sako 243 finnlight and a semi custom M7 in 7-08, when my creedmoor is complete, it will likely be my go to. I love the creedmoor. I've had 2 and love the way it performs on game. I missed your reply earlier, so I thought I'd share a picture of another Kansas buck that fell to a Model 7 in 7mm-08 a couple of years ago. Reduced recoil load using SR4759 & a 120 gr. Hornady bullet, but it worked just fine.
Last edited by Proud_Dad; 04/30/16.
"Kids don't remember their best day of television."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 24,653 Likes: 1 |
Dan, When I think of Kansas trophy whitetails, this could very well be the textbook photo. Mature, good mass, some narly and odd stuff happening and a frame that reaches to the sky. There's more than one thing to be proud of in that pict.
WWP53D
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,601
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,601 |
Damned nice bucks in this thread!
I think I'm going to stay out of Kansas for a while, though. Last buck I killed was with a 243. Seems as though some kind of crazy mutant deer have taken over the gene pool if I need to bring a magnum next trip. LOL.
Nut
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 6,842
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 6,842 |
Are there not any young deer in Kansas??
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,401
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,401 |
“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.” ALDO LEOPOLD
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,733
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,733 |
Dan, When I think of Kansas trophy whitetails, this could very well be the textbook photo. Mature, good mass, some narly and odd stuff happening and a frame that reaches to the sky. There's more than one thing to be proud of in that pict. Thanks, Scott. Lots of things I am proud of in this picture and definitely a memory that will last a lifetime. This buck wasn't as old as the one my wife shot a week earlier and it would have been interesting to see what another year or two might have done for it, but when it was in the crosshairs inside 75 yards with a 9 year old looking at her biggest deer ever it was time to pull the trigger. I will always remember watching Grace walk up to it with a look of disbelief as she had done a good job of focusing on her shot and didn't realize how nice of a buck it was.
"Kids don't remember their best day of television."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,468
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,468 |
Here's ole_270s 8 point. If it wasn't a 9 point he'd have netted 170. [/quote] I love monster eights and that is a beaut! and with a win model 70 fwt, doesn't get much better. I'm partial to model 70 fwt's in 270 on my Kansas deer, especially the pre 64 variety. This big Kansas eluded me last year.
Last edited by southwind; 05/03/16.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,166
Campfire Tracker
|
OP
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,166 |
Awesome pics! Those are some big bodied deer. My post wasn't as much will it work, cause I know it will, but more of a sounding board for people's opinions. I have narrowed my collection to only 3 magnum class rifles. My go to rifles are a Sako 243 finnlight and a semi custom M7 in 7-08, when my creedmoor is complete, it will likely be my go to. I love the creedmoor. I've had 2 and love the way it performs on game. I missed your reply earlier, so I thought I'd share a picture of another Kansas buck that fell to a Model 7 in 7mm-08 a couple of years ago. Reduced recoil load using SR4759 & a 120 gr. Hornady bullet, but it worked just fine. Wow. What a deer! I bet you are proud. The 7-08 has piled up many deer across this great nation! I would be stoked with a deer like this if I'm lucky enough to hugest drawn!
Regards, Nick- Georgia
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,044
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,044 |
Most of those stories about "lead packing big deer" are the result of the nature of the animal and the circumstances under which it is frequently shot. All the worse of course the bigger they are.. A truly big whitetail is a once or twice lifetime animal. They are reclusive, smart, hard to see, and appear suddenly and usually not under the best of circumstances. Shot opportunities are fleeting, frequently hurried and can occur at ANY distance from a few yards to as far as you can hit. If they aren't on the move they soon will be (count on it). You won't have much time to make the shot but if you hesitate he will be gone. Under such circumstances, if you can react quickly enough at all, it's no wonder that, despite good intentions, shots are frequently not precisely placed, and human nature says that we think that more powerful cartridges provide some margin for bad placement. It's a noble thought But I am not sure it works. I admit to being seduced by it myself in early years, but soon discovered that the real key is good field marksmanship because even the biggest bucks are very quickly killed by good bullets and correct placement from standard cartridges. The Kansas bucks shown above were killed by the 6.5 Creedmoor at 250 yards (DRT); the 270 Winchester at 180 yards (DRT), and the 270 Winchester t 50 yards (chest hit scrambled 20 yards and kaput). The best rifle you can bring on a trophy whitetail hunt is the one that you can hit a soccer ball sized target at reasonable distance,from field positions under a variety of circumstances. So long as it's reasonable,cartridges are a secondary consideration IMHO. All true!
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that lightening ain't distributed right." - Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
608 members (1OntarioJim, 160user, 10gaugeman, 16gage, 10ring1, 61 invisible),
2,446
guests, and
1,271
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,059
Posts18,501,193
Members73,987
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|