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ALL of them should pass drug/alcohol random tests after/if passing the first hiring test....ALL of them.

Nuts

This is true. Our drivers are paid by a % of the load, and when we found one who qualified (during the boom) he stood to easily make over $100,000 net. Not so much lately though.

Its one reason I no longer drink at all while at home because I"m fire/ems 24/7 on call....even though chief doesn't care if we've had a beer or three and get paged. He is a fool.

It's one of those things that's just become entirely ubiquitous in our society.

Personally I haven't smoked pot since college, but I've come to believe that it's legit medicinal potential is largely untapped.

We get enough throughput here from "legal" states that a decent sample of my clients have cleared up some pretty intractable medical problems in their own pets by self-medicating them with edibles.

ditto reports on online vet-only forums.

It's only going to become more commonly used and the drug tests need to go from +/- to mg/dl just like BAC while on duty , otherwise the whole system is going to collapse...

all plants on the face of the Earth should be banned until we humans learn how to deal with the impacts of plant-derived and ingested chemicals.

we humans aren't perfect. so, what should we do to fix the "problem?"

eradicate all the plant producing chemicals could and should be step one.

we're all playing games, and we know it.

but it could be fixed, if fixing it was a desirable outcome.

most humans seem to want to live inside their belief system, no matter where the objective truth system is. but, what to do?

Maybe I'm missing out not smoking anything. I'll never know though unless its medical.

And for that, a REAL medical issue, I've no problem at all.

I"d be willign to bet most medical reasons are far from real. If not most, then at least a significant amount simply want to get high.

you have to piss to get a job at home depot but you can sit on your ass in free public housing, eating free food, talking on a free phone and head down to the grocery to get your free steaks with ebt card and do it all stoned out of your mind. ya, makes sense.

Same here. Plus, if you were involved in any workplace mishap, you were tested for everything, including any prescription drugs.

Ed

Thank LBJ.

There you have it. I've been preaching the same for years. If you can't quantify it, you can't proscribe it.

Much like the old "obscenity laws", when the Federal Judge (memory fails me on his name) who said; "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it." His judgement didn't last for long. Too vague.

Ed

the potential problem with that though, it that a cancer patient might need 1,000 mg just to get out of bed in the morning , an amount that would have an occasional recreational user flopping around on the floor like a fish for 6 hours.

WA & CO are having a devil of a time deciding on an enforceable blood concentration limit for driving.

It'll end up being some arbitrary limit, but there does need to be one!

But they don't.

Further more HR uses drug tests as a tool that has nothing to do with drug use.

I've seen people hired even after failing a drug test because the company "needed the help".

I have also seen drug tests increase prior to a lay off , if an employee is fired for a positive drug test then the company wouldn't have to pay whatever benefits they might get from being laid off.

Then too , sometimes it's used just to knock a man back down the ladder. Take a 10-15 year man that's making a decent wage & has earned 2-3 weeks vacation a year & pop has ass on a drug test. Hire the guy back in 60-90 days at less pay & vacation.

Mike

I would agree. The mis-use of prescription drugs is waaaay out of control, so why wouldn't mj be the same? That's why they call it a Dr."practicing" medicine, in some cases anyway.

My wife used to work in retail and she turned away more than half the people who she interviewed because they could not pass the drug test. These were not just Virginia residents. The potential employees were from Virginia, Maryland, and West Virginia.

Pot seems to be more of a generational thing. In high school and college very few people I knew, and I would have known them, smoked pot but we all drank like crazy. Now it seems like pot is a lot more commonly used than booze.

Even as an east coast, west coast thing, pot seems a lot more common place in the West, booze a lot more in the East. I visited some friends in LA a few years back and pot was like cocktail hour out there. People thought there was something wrong with you in you weren't into it.

I know a manager of a custom boat trailer business that couldn't find any drug-free welders...they ended up scrapping the plan for a drug free workplace.

Part of the problem, aside from using drugs in the first place, is that pot stays in your system for quite a long time. You could fail a drug test even it you smoked a month ago. Booze doesn't stay very long. Kind of tough to get fired when you might not have touched it for a month or more. That's a far cry from showing up drunk or high to work.

The whole drug testing thing is ridiculous if you ask me, and I've never even touched the stuff.

If you are qualified for the job, and don't show up to work drunk or stoned, what difference dose it make if you choose to partake in your own personal time?

If a clean drug test had been a prerequisite for attending high school, my graduating class would have shrunk by three quarters.

Because there's no reliable way to tell if you are currently stoned or were only stoned on your personal time. In the case of work accidents, the assumption can only be that the person causing the accident is under the influence if they test positive.

It amazes me that the argument for weed is "alcohol is as bad or worse". I've got a news flash for all you bong brothers out there - you can't keep a job if you're drunk either!

If you want to work - don't smoke weed. Of what benefit is it to you other than recreation? If you want to work, don't show up drunk.

Since when did it become too much to ask employees, or perspective employees to be clean and sober? That is not a high bar to aspire to.

Employer check list

- read
- write
- do basic math
-legal resident
- clean and sober


That is not a prohibitive list is you are not a worthless dumbass.

Fundamentals of Lebesgue measure and integration, Lp spaces, intro functional analysis and the like. Keep it basic.