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When I was hiring guys for my oilfield service company, a majority of applicants never made it to the part of the process where a drug test would be required. A check of their driving record often revealed at least one, usual several DUI's. I'd say at least 80 percent of applicants were this way. And a majority of those were between the ages of 18 and 21.
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I am looking for a drug free employee right now. Been looking for weeks. No takers.
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Alcohol is a "drug" they don't test for which causes more problems than weed.
If it's legal they shouldn't be testing for it anyway There are still those pesky Federal laws making MJ illegal. In addition to that, there are all manner of workplace safety laws (and liabilities) in play. If you had a clue, you'd already know that. Yep, let's not worry about that employee running the forklift or boom truck or running on the road, booze is legal so it's okay.
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Damn shame , An American worker has to pass a drug test to get hired. A fuggin illegal messican don't have to pass a drug test or even a legal to work in the USA test.
Mike That's because good old Americans will hire him.
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If MJ is testing positive in the body for weeks after smoking it, doesn't it also continue to have at least some effect from still being there?
IOW, isn't one still "under the influence" if the substance is still testing positive in the bloodstream?
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If MJ is testing positive in the body for weeks after smoking it, doesn't it also continue to have at least some effect from still being there?
IOW, isn't one still "under the influence" if the substance is still testing positive in the bloodstream? Hair samples can show MJ in your body with traces even months afterwards. These drug tests the companies do on employees or potential ones, are not really for catching the guy that took a few hits off a joint at a party a couple weeks ago. They are designed to locate and identify those individuals that make drug use a habit on a regular basis. Those are the ones that cause problems for the company, and are greater liability risks.
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It's about liability and insurance rates.
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It's about liability and insurance rates. Bingo. That, plus the undeniable urge people in a position of power have to control others. There's a raft of bad info on this thread but there's no point in correcting it. Times will change, but a generation is literally going to have to age it's way out of those positions of power first.
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It's about liability and insurance rates. That, plus the undeniable urge people in a position of power have to control others. Whatever, burning man...
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If MJ is testing positive in the body for weeks after smoking it, doesn't it also continue to have at least some effect from still being there?
IOW, isn't one still "under the influence" if the substance is still testing positive in the bloodstream? Hair samples can show MJ in your body with traces even months afterwards. These drug tests the companies do on employees or potential ones, are not really for catching the guy that took a few hits off a joint at a party a couple weeks ago. They are designed to locate and identify those individuals that make drug use a habit on a regular basis. Those are the ones that cause problems for the company, and are greater liability risks. I've known several who would test positve every day of their life going back decades since they first tried marijuana. Some wound up stuck in low paying, dead end jobs because they couldn't ever give up marijuana long enough to pass a entry drug test for good job. The only kind of employment they could get is at places that didn't do entry or random drug testing until an employee injures themselves or someone else or damage or destroys employer's property. From being around those I've known and/or worked with that were regular marijuana users, it sure does appear that marijuana is at least as addictive as nicotine, and probably alcohol, too. I've known some that quit tobacco cold turkey but not pot. Said they quit smoking cigarettes mainly so they could better afford marijuana. Some believed too that they could get a better "buzz" from less pot if they quit smoking tobacco.
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It's only going to become more commonly used and the drug tests need to go from +/- to mg/dl just like BAC while on duty , otherwise the whole system is going to collapse... There you have it. I've been preaching the same for years. If you can't quantify it, you can't proscribe it. Much like the old "obscenity laws", when the Federal Judge (memory fails me on his name) who said; "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it." His judgement didn't last for long. Too vague. Ed Potter Stewart IIRC
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I work for Wal-Mart and we have a hard time getting folks through the drug screenings too.
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It's about liability and insurance rates. Bingo. That, plus the undeniable urge people in a position of power have to control others. There's a raft of bad info on this thread but there's no point in correcting it. Times will change, but a generation is literally going to have to age it's way out of those positions of power first. Yeah, some of us over-penetrated, I guess. grins.
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Most major companies now are going for the hair sample and most will let you slide on that if the pizz sample is clear and below any thresh holds but if in the hair sample, that's a hard marker against you and you'll be randomly tested at their will.
As another pointed out, the hair samples go waaaay back in time.
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And some wonder why some shave their heads...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Trying to find a commercial truck driver who is fit enough to do some work as needed, has a decent driving record, can pass a drug test, and can get into Canada (i.e. no criminal record, not DUI's) is almost impossible.
The guys that meet those qualifications aren't stupid enough to drive a truck.... or you have to pay them well. I'm paying a 25 year old guy about 55K a year to drive a truck about 3/4 time.
I think he may be the last one of his race....
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I work for Wal-Mart and we have a hard time getting folks through the drug screenings too. I work for a gun company and we have no drug testing but Wal-Mart does ? That's hilarious !
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And some wonder why some shave their heads... Better go get a Brazilian wax, too, buddy. Any hair will do. The hair tests absolutely terrify a lot of applicants because it can go so far back. Reliability: not so much, but it is VERY good at scaring users away during the application process.
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And some wonder why some shave their heads... Better go get a Brazilian wax, too, buddy. Any hair will do. The hair tests absolutely terrify a lot of applicants because it can go so far back. Reliability: not so much, but it is VERY good at scaring users away during the application process. Hair samples can get you executed in Louisiana, Dutch.
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