|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423
Campfire Outfitter
|
OP
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423 |
Anyone here have any experience with these ranges. Some have claimed they do it on a daily basis. I know the rimfire guys might have more information and insight.
My best efforts get me to 225 with some repeatability but 700 seems unthinkable once I see the 225 yard groups.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2 |
Ive shot them enough at 300 yards to know the discrepancies that affect accuracy are in the ammo...frequent fliers with conventional stuff...never tried any Eley or the like at those ranges.
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
I've only shot groups to 300+.
I've found milk jug size targets are easy money to 300 and beer can size targets are in big trouble around 200 and in.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 28,430 Likes: 7
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 28,430 Likes: 7 |
I'll shoot at 200 yards every now and then, occasionally try to pop rocks at 250. Like any long range shooting, wind is your enemy, and more so with .22 rimfire.
Used to shoot 200 yard rimfire silhouette a bit and win quite often. I'd watch the wind flags for general behavior before and while I got to the line; is it steady, does it calm down and then pick up and hold steady for a while or is it all over the place?. Generally I'd wait for a lull or a steady breeze and then "machine gun" the targets, i.e. work the bolt, aim and fire as fast as I could to get as many shots out while the wind was consistent.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,873 Likes: 18
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,873 Likes: 18 |
What information do you want? Why don't you ask the 'some' who claim to do it?
Certainly a 22LR will fly 700 yards and will eventually hit something. You'd need a lot of elevation in whatever setup you use to send it, but that can be arranged.
People who obsess over group size will probably be disappointed no matter how much effort they put into it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,992 Likes: 28
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,992 Likes: 28 |
People who obsess over group size will probably be disappointed no matter how much effort they put into it.
Yup. Raw accuracy is important, but other qualities are important in the field as well, sometimes more important. My accuracy requirement for a hunting rifle is that it's able to put the first shot in the sticking spot, not that it makes pretty benchrest targets to hang on the wall.
What fresh Hell is this?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
if its able to make the first shot every last time, then it will make pretty targets also...the two go hand in hand....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423
Campfire Outfitter
|
OP
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423 |
Ive shot them enough at 300 yards to know the discrepancies that affect accuracy are in the ammo...frequent fliers with conventional stuff...never tried any Eley or the like at those ranges. I have been running a cz. It's nails to 100 and like flav said is about where my accuracy is but past that it gets ifffe fast.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877 |
I fell into the CZ-trap, about 2009-ish. 453 Varmint, 20-moa RT rail, and 20x MD. Fun stuff out to 300-ish but it doesn't come close to a 54
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877 |
I have been running a cz. It's nails to 100 and like flav said is about where my accuracy is but past that it gets ifffe fast. If things fall apart past 100, then there's a problem. Unless it's wind related, which messes with everyone. At 311 with a 54 and good ammo...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423
Campfire Outfitter
|
OP
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423 |
No problems just can't see 300 at much less than 2 moa in my gun. 700 seems like an impossible task after fighting wind at 200 and 300. flave said pop can at 200 milk jug at 300 that was my reference.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423
Campfire Outfitter
|
OP
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,423 |
Is the wolf ammo as constant as federal match.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 29,974 Likes: 11
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 29,974 Likes: 11 |
Low end off the shelf ammo is a horrid affair. A trip to the range with as many brands as one can find is hugely educational. Luck into a brand that drives nails and buy as many cases of that lot as possible.
Yes, wind screws with everyone and more so with the lower velocities. One learns a lot though from taking on challenges. Get out there and shoot.
1Minute
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877 |
Wolf MT is made in Germany. Same plant that makes Lapua rimfire. It's not the highest grade, and has an occasional flier, but much better than most 22lr. Only five shots, but gives you an idea...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,147
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,147 |
440 yards - 26' drop Just an interesting video - Watch the shot with a Cricket starting at 7:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l5AlyS8sGs
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,147
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,147 |
Here's some more interesting .22LR info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMun6pVDBzsPublished on Nov 21, 2012 Shooting 600 Yards with a .22 Long rifle at getting lots of hits on a 3ft square target! There is a delay of about 2.5-3 seconds from the shot being fired to the sound of the hit traveling back to us, just listen for it and you will distinctly hear the ping off the target downrange a few seconds after the shot goes off. Yes we were shooting next to a power line but the target was next to the base of one of the towers and there wasn't any danger of hitting anything. After we got sighted in which took an adjustment of a few feet to get on target we took 50 shots and tried to get as many hits as we could. We were fighting the wind the entire time. There are a lot of cuts because we didn't want to shoot when the wind kicked up since it would throw us off target. The hits on the sign look insignificant but we shot the sign later with a .22 pistol and the rounds didn't go through even at close range so that give you an idea of how tough the sign was. The bullet has approximately 29 ft/lbs of energy on impact at 600 yards by our calculations so that's still a decent bit. We had to compensate for 888 inches of Bullet Drop at 600 yards. To do this we had to cant the scope so we could put the cross hairs on the target when we were shooting. Check out my video link at the end of the video for how we setup the rifle more in depth. Here is the link to a video on how to setup a scope to make the shot like we did. How to get the scope angle right for the distance and the rifle ammo etc that you are shooting with long range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNuUW...
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,513
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,513 |
the ammo you select should be tested for accuracy after it goes subsonic. As always each 22 has its favorite and suprizes can occur. Once you have chrono the load go to the JBM web site and determine the drops for your load It will be shortly obvious that most scopes can't be elevated enough to go much fast 400 Depending on why you are doing all this gives different paths to rifle and scope selection but this may help. 20 moa mounts will help a lot Subsonic ammo will not work, CCI standard velocity gives good results across a broad range of guns You do not need an expensive 22 Stock must fit is as important as a long range precision rifle It is easier to read wind with lower power scopes, On the other hand I can see the trace when using a NF 8x32 on 32 For what I do the Savage Tac 22 in barrel works best Tried SVT Kimber and other high dollar, but bolt throw not quite what I am looking for Usually shoot at clay targets to 500 yds. Sometimes if the deflection angle is high the bullet will not break target or if 0 angle punches a small hole Because the windage is the name of the game, the shooters technique must be good, but more importantly do not chase your shots with corrections. If missed its because the wind changed slightly, shoot again. Shooting groups at these ranges will only give you the statistics of the wind changes at the time you shoot
Most people don't have what it takes to get old
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
the ammo you select should be tested for accuracy after it goes subsonic. As always each 22 has its favorite and suprizes can occur. Once you have chrono the load go to the JBM web site and determine the drops for your load It will be shortly obvious that most scopes can't be elevated enough to go much fast 400 Depending on why you are doing all this gives different paths to rifle and scope selection but this may help. 20 moa mounts will help a lot Subsonic ammo will not work, CCI standard velocity gives good results across a broad range of guns You do not need an expensive 22 Stock must fit is as important as a long range precision rifle It is easier to read wind with lower power scopes, On the other hand I can see the trace when using a NF 8x32 on 32 For what I do the Savage Tac 22 in barrel works best Tried SVT Kimber and other high dollar, but bolt throw not quite what I am looking for Usually shoot at clay targets to 500 yds. Sometimes if the deflection angle is high the bullet will not break target or if 0 angle punches a small hole Because the windage is the name of the game, the shooters technique must be good, but more importantly do not chase your shots with corrections. If missed its because the wind changed slightly, shoot again. Shooting groups at these ranges will only give you the statistics of the wind changes at the time you shoot There you go Fred... Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,701 Likes: 7
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,701 Likes: 7 |
Have shot eggs to 300+ and it's a challenge. I've had 25 shots missing by a hair and whatever minute correction you make seems to be immediately negated by shifting breezes..the 26th will get it but it leaves you scratching your head that's for sure... Kimber 82G with DIP 25 MOA rail and swfa 16X
She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...? She's gone shootin..
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,877 |
20 moa mounts will help a lot Subsonic ammo will not work, CCI standard velocity gives good results across a broad range of guns
CCI Standard is subsonic. I've got 40.2 mils remaining using a 10x MQ and 75-moa rail, after 50y zero with Wolf. That gets me to nearly 600, but I generally shoot out to a max of 400-500. The 54 trigger is tough to beat.
|
|
|
|
593 members (10Glocks, 12344mag, 10gaugeman, 1234, 160user, 10ring1, 55 invisible),
2,152
guests, and
1,067
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,194,563
Posts18,531,649
Members74,039
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|