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The .280 AI is the best. it goes to 11. Yah....more pressure than a 7 Rem Mag and less velocity. That's what I call "progress" LOL!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'm betting the 280AI ain't slower than the 280, otherwise it wouldn't be improved.
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I'm surprised somebody didn't bring up the .280 Ackley Improved. If the .280's great, the Improved version has to be better! :-) That would also lead me to believe that with all the supposedly great .277 bullets out there that a 270 improved version would be eminent.
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Not only can the .280 AI match the velocity of 150-grain .270 bullets with 160's, providing all the benefits of another 10 grains of bullet weight, but many handloaders report the .280 AI exceeds the velocity of the 7mm Remington Magnum. Yes, all Ai'd cartridges exceed their closest magnum counterparts... just ask their owners.
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The .280 Rem is a fine chambering and these comparisons don't mean much to myself.The eliminator for me is barrel length when using a rifle in the mountains.The .270.280,7×57 and the 7mm08 work well with a 22 " barrel . I choose my hunting rifle based on other factors, weight is a huge one for me (backpacking or horseback) - and your choice of the amazing bullets these days. We all handload here so factory ammunition availability is not an issue.
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The .280 AI is the best. it goes to 11. Yah....more pressure than a 7 Rem Mag and less velocity. I'm betting the 280AI ain't slower than the 280, otherwise it wouldn't be improved. S Head - I'm betting Bob was talking about less velocity than a 7 RM. Not slower than 280 !!! SMH Jerry
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The .280 AI is the best. it goes to 11. Yah....more pressure than a 7 Rem Mag and less velocity. I'm betting the 280AI ain't slower than the 280, otherwise it wouldn't be improved. S Head - I'm betting Bob was talking about less velocity than a 7 RM. Not slower than 280 !!! SMH Jerry Geez, thanks Captain Obvious, that weren't where it was directed.
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Of course, very few of the people commenting here have used by far the the finest cartridge in this class, the B-29. If they had, all this blathering about the .270, .280 and "improving" would disappear, due to the obvious superiority of .29 caliber.
Unfortunately, the B-29 is so good it was apparently suppressed, probably by the Obama administration, perhaps through BATFE agents on another "secret" mission to disarm the American people.
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Not only can the .280 AI match the velocity of 150-grain .270 bullets with 160's, providing all the benefits of another 10 grains of bullet weight, but many handloaders report the .280 AI exceeds the velocity of the 7mm Remington Magnum. Yes, all Ai'd cartridges exceed their closest magnum counterparts... just ask their owners.
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I've never seen anyone say a 250AI trumps a 257 Weatherby...
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So, to sum it up, Finn Aagarrd liked the 280 and 7X64. Gun writters are responsible for us having bought all those 280,s but in reality the 280 is not as good as the 270 because you can not buy ammo in the hardware store. But wait, another gun writer was the reason some continue to buy those 270s when the 30-06 is really the better round. I will have to agree.
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Of course, very few of the people commenting here have used by far the the finest cartridge in this class, the B-29. If they had, all this blathering about the .270, .280 and "improving" would disappear, due to the obvious superiority of .29 caliber.
Unfortunately, the B-29 is so good it was apparently suppressed, probably by the Obama administration, perhaps through BATFE agents on another "secret" mission to disarm the American people. I knew it!
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I think an awful lot of the .270's popularity had to do with JOC and a zippy 130gr loading.
But to say that just because a similar cartridge existed previously, the .280 was doomed to failure is placing too much weight on the logic of buyers and timelessness of a cartridge.
A round has to be in the right place at the right time to succeed. It has to make a splash when the puddle is deep, so to speak. Yeah, there are a bunch of 6.5mm rounds out there. But I wouldn't say he Creedmoor has no chance at becoming Americas most popular 6.5 round. Mostly because of timing. It also helps if the manufacturer gives the cartridge a name, the rifle an effective rate of twist, and refrains from screwing with either. I love the .280, myself, but love is an emotion and a headstamp doesn't do a damn thing.
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So, to sum it up, Finn Aagarrd liked the 280 and 7X64. Gun writters are responsible for us having bought all those 280,s but in reality the 280 is not as good as the 270 because you can not buy ammo in the hardware store. But wait, another gun writer was the reason some continue to buy those 270s when the 30-06 is really the better round. I will have to agree. You summed it up nicely!
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Of course, very few of the people commenting here have used by far the the finest cartridge in this class, the B-29. If they had, all this blathering about the .270, .280 and "improving" would disappear, due to the obvious superiority of .29 caliber.
Unfortunately, the B-29 is so good it was apparently suppressed, probably by the Obama administration, perhaps through BATFE agents on another "secret" mission to disarm the American people. Killed a albino bull elk in the middle of a blizzard with mine. Not a very good pic,but it's all I have. Took me two days to pack it out.
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The elk was so far away when I shot it,I put salt and pepper on the bullet to keep it from spoiling.
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I think an awful lot of the .270's popularity had to do with JOC and a zippy 130gr loading.
Maybe, but those 130 grain bullets were mostly Noslers & that fact had as much to do with the success of the 270 as did the caliber or JOC's writing...............I kinda doubt he would have gotten as much performance out of cheaper C&C bullets of the day. MM
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I think an awful lot of the .270's popularity had to do with JOC and a zippy 130gr loading.
Maybe, but those 130 grain bullets were mostly Noslers & that fact had as much to do with the success of the 270 as did the caliber or JOC's writing...............I kinda doubt he would have gotten as much performance out of cheaper C&C bullets of the day. MM I don't think very many of the general population were using Noslers. And JOC wrote a lot about C&C bullets.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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