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These "Ingrams" that you speak of: how do they compare to such as Doziers, and modern loveless models?

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I think Gene's prices have gone up, the S-30V double set I ordered was $420, well $440 because I added the mosaic pins.

Some would say they compare will to Doziers, some would say Gene's contours are superior, others would disagree.

I plan my set to be a lifetime investment.

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I have a set of custom knives purchased in 1982 as wedding gifts from my wife to me, they are in the "Loveless" style and the workmanship is outstanding. They are beautiful, very functional and I treasure them, but, they cost a H*LL of a lot more than my Ingram's did, even back then.

Cost, IMO, is relative to quality and quality is relative to function, so, I feel that Gene gives a person an excellent deal, I have no experience with Dozier knives and won't as I now have all the knives I will ever need or want.

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I now have all the knives I will ever need or want.
Your wife was looking over your shoulder, right? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Ha! Too funny.......

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My Ingram has a better fit and finish than my two Doziers. I personally like Ingram's drop points compared to Dozier's which are more of a spear point. just my 2c.


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Nope, I could take one of our Visa cards, go to a gunshop and spend a whack of cash without saying anything to her and never hear a complaint. I just pretty much have all the gear I need or can use and just need a Hardy flyrod, waders and PFD plus one of those Kni-Co stoves and maybe a Tigoat for my smaller tipi and I am done, no point in buying gear that you cannot really use.....guns, however, are a different story, but, even there, I am about finished as I am pretty happy with what I have.

BUT, if a nice, pre-war, minty, high-grade German combo gun comes along at a really good price, preferably a W. Foerster or R. Hubner or J.J. Reeb "Cape Gun" in 9.3x74R-12 Ga., well, ..........."the spirit is willing.....but, the flesh is weak!".

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Kute,
Did you ever get your Kimber Montana??

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Nope, changed my mind and cancelled my special order about three months before delivery was due, I have too many rifles now.

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Understood...

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.....guns, however, are a different story, but, even there, I am about finished as I am pretty happy with what I have.
Same here. For me, the knife quest has always been more of a challenge, and I'm seriously considering making my own, from scratch. Gonna try one of those Grohmann #2 T&B's, though, if Santa brings me one, and I think she will.

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My incident with him happened over a year ago and I never complained about it once- I just get sick of people blindly following a product and they never really use it enough to know diddly squat about it. I didn't split the pelvis on that cow elk as I was able to take it in whole. I can split the sternum on an elk with a stout pocketknife- just hit the soft spots where the ribs tie it- This is no challenge for any decent knife at all. If you think it is, you need to try it yourself. I can butcher an entire elk down to quarters or smaller and never touch a saw. Sure, I saw is nice, but not always available. make the cuts in the right spot and the bones come apart.

I used his knife the same way I so all my knives. My Buck's, Schrades, Cases and self-made don't chip this way. A good blade won't chip when you cut things that aren't harder than the steel. If this is the way D2 is ( and I doubt it) then I don't ever want anything else to do with it. I much prefer carbon and tool steels ( without as much chrome as D2) such as 1084, 52100, O-1 and A-2. If I had a computer controlled heat treating kiln I might experiement with some of the better stainless steels as well. My favorite SS is BG-42. For BIG knives I use only 5160 or equivalent.

I hate to see people led astray by those who are unwitting. I USE my knives and use them hard. Knives aren't meant to be pampered.

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I find it interesting and somewhat disconcerting that folks are complaining about the Cold Steel MH. I bought one when they first came out, I find it takes and holds an edge very well. Sharpens up easily when required. Things must have changed over the years. Note to self: do not lose knife.
To stir the pot a little bit, I have also started to carry and use the Knives of Alaska series. While I have several, the two which get used the most are my Hunter Series Wolverine and my Jaeger Boning knife. I don't see much mention of this companies blades anywhere. I do like these knives. Opinions?
I also have and use a Russell knife, the Canadian Forces model. Great for canoeing etc.

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If, that comment about ...unwitting...is directed at me, I will just say that I boned out my last Elk, a five point bull, completely with a Gerber two-bladed pocket knife and then backpacked it to where we could get horses.

I have cut several dozen sternums with a variety of knives, but, it is easier to do this on Elk bulls and large Moose with a hatchet or saw, it seems to me. But, I guess that everyone has their own preferences and different experiences.

I also hate to see people led astray and tend to think that all of the positive comments I have read here for over three years concerning Gene's knives must have SOME real basis, but, who knows, maybe mine will chip, too. I certainly had Buck's chip as have Gerber's, one of which broke right at the handle-blade junction and Pumas do not hold an edge well, at all.

I spent enough years working in the BC bush to realize that ANYTHING can break and that tools should not be pampered, but, neither should they be abused. So, hopefully, those posters here that laud Gene's products are right and I won't be troubled by using my new knives and finding them defective.

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troutfly, far be it for me to give you grief that you like a knife that I don't.

Maybe you're just a better blade handler than some of the rest of us......who knows.

I've long been contented that if it works for me or you, be happy with it.

Sides you start agreeing with me and Brad on knives, next thing you know you'll be loving high country and it only gets worse from there. It's a slippery slope you don't want to traverse. (grin)

Mine has some rust spots, but no nicks or anything on the blade. If you'd like another PM me with what you think is a fair price and perhaps you can have another and have some peace of mind about "not losing" yours.


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Kute- you aren't the only one- Ingram knives are like leupold scopes and Pacnor barrels on this site; hallowed and not to be dissed...

No doubt you have had plenty of experiences in the bush- probably far more than me. I will agree that it is probably EASIER to cut through the sternum with a saw than a knife. That said, how many people carry a saw in their pocket?? In this particular incident, we had to make a mad dash of a stalk and all I carried was the bare necessities. I left the pack on the mountain and took what I could carry in my pockets.

I had previous purchased a Gerber contraption from Cabelas which was made of plastic and had replaceable razor blades. I thought it might be handy to split the belly and down the legs and it was real light. It snapped in half on my first pull!!! What a piece of junk. Out came the real knife.

Gene makes good knives it would appear, but hide the way he did speaks volumes!


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Probably no better or worse with the knife work than anyone else. Just figure I got lucky with my CS. Have heard from other guys that they have had issues with the brand. I did cold blue the blade when I got it. Don't know if that helped any other than keep the rusting potential under control. Most recent Canadian price I have seen is +- $200.00 CDN. I paid about $75.00 CDN . No way I would pay $200.00 for one!!
I might live on the bald azz prairie, but I do most of my hunting/fishing in the foothills and high country of Alberta so I guess it's too late,<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Thanks for the offer on another CS but I'm saving towards a custom knife. Not sure by who yet. Those Ingrams do look nice though.

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Dennis,

I remember seeing the pic of your chipped knife, and IMHO it was simply incorrectly hardened, or more accurately, incorrectly annealed. Properly hardened and annealed a knife won't chip. If the blade isn't sufficiently annealed it will be too hard, and will chip, no matter what the alloy.

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That is true- but Gene swears it was properly heat-treated (which high chromium content steels, this pretty much required an oven to do a specific soak as opposed to simply heating to critical temp and quenching like you can do with simple steels. They are them tempered back at 400 or so to keep them from being too hard- Not sure the process on D-2 but I suspect it is a little more critical than say, 1084...


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I guess I've read too much Wayne Goddard, but to me a properly hardened knife won't chip or break in use. Typically the extra couple of points in Rockwell hardness will add 10-20% edge holding ability. I'd take a blade that will hold an edge 80% as long for a blade that won't break.

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