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this is just the first call. Look for the full force of social media and mass media to DEMAND that the Second Amendment be repealed.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...econd-amendment-right-bear-arms-20160613
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"[It] needs to be repealed because it is outdated, a threat to liberty and a suicide pact," says constitutional law professor

BY DAVID S. COHEN June 13, 2016
I teach the Constitution for a living. I revere the document when it is used to further social justice and make our country a more inclusive one. I admire the Founders for establishing a representative democracy that has survived for over two centuries.

But sometimes we just have to acknowledge that the Founders and the Constitution are wrong. This is one of those times. We need to say loud and clear: The Second Amendment must be repealed.

As much as we have a culture of reverence for the founding generation, it's important to understand that they got it wrong — and got it wrong often. Unfortunately, in many instances, they enshrined those faults in the Constitution. For instance, most people don't know it now, but under the original document, Mitt Romney would be serving as President Obama's vice president right now because he was the runner-up in the last presidential election. That part of the Constitution was fixed by the Twelfth Amendment, which set up the system we currently have of the president and vice president running for office together.

Much more profoundly, the Framers and the Constitution were wildly wrong on race. They enshrined slavery into the Constitution in multiple ways, including taking the extreme step of prohibiting the Constitution from being amended to stop the slave trade in the country's first 20 years. They also blatantly wrote racism into the Constitution by counting slaves as only 3/5 of a person for purposes of Congressional representation. It took a bloody civil war to fix these constitutional flaws (and then another 150 years, and counting, to try to fix the societal consequences of them).

There are others flaws that have been fixed (such as about voting and Presidential succession), and still other flaws that have not yet been fixed (such as about equal rights for women and land-based representation in the Senate), but the point is the same — there is absolutely nothing permanently sacrosanct about the Founders and the Constitution. They were deeply flawed people, it was and is a flawed document, and when we think about how to make our country a more perfect union, we must operate with those principles in mind.

In the face of yet another mass shooting, now is the time to acknowledge a profound but obvious truth – the Second Amendment is wrong for this country and needs to be jettisoned. We can do that through a Constitutional amendment. It's been done before (when the Twenty-First Amendment repealed prohibition in the Eighteenth), and it must be done now.

The Second Amendment needs to be repealed because it is outdated, a threat to liberty and a suicide pact. When the Second Amendment was adopted in 1791, there were no weapons remotely like the AR-15 assault rifle and many of the advances of modern weaponry were long from being invented or popularized.


Sure, the Founders knew that the world evolved and that technology changed, but the weapons of today that are easily accessible are vastly different than anything that existed in 1791. When the Second Amendment was written, the Founders didn't have to weigh the risks of one man killing 49 and injuring 53 all by himself. Now we do, and the risk-benefit analysis of 1791 is flatly irrelevant to the risk-benefit analysis of today.

Gun-rights advocates like to make this all about liberty, insisting that their freedom to bear arms is of utmost importance and that restricting their freedom would be a violation of basic rights.

But liberty is not a one way street. It also includes the liberty to enjoy a night out with friends, loving who you want to love, dancing how you want to dance, in a club that has historically provided a refuge from the hate and fear that surrounds you. It also includes the liberty to go to and send your kids to kindergarten and first grade so that they can begin to be infused with a love of learning. It includes the liberty to go to a movie, to your religious house of worship, to college, to work, to an abortion clinic, go to a hair salon, to a community center, to the supermarket, to go anywhere and feel that you are free to do to so without having to weigh the risk of being gunned down by someone wielding a weapon that can easily kill you and countless others.

The liberty of some to own guns cannot take precedence over the liberty of everyone to live their lives free from the risk of being easily murdered. It has for too long, and we must now say no more.

Finally, if we take the gun-rights lobby at their word, the Second Amendment is a suicide pact. As they say over and over, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. In other words, please the gun manufacturers by arming even the vast majority of Americans who do not own a gun.

Just think of what would have happened in the Orlando night-club Saturday night if there had been many others armed. In a crowded, dark, loud dance club, after the shooter began firing, imagine if others took out their guns and started firing back. Yes, maybe they would have killed the shooter, but how would anyone else have known what exactly was going on? How would it not have devolved into mass confusion and fear followed by a large-scale shootout without anyone knowing who was the good guy with a gun, who was the bad guy with a gun, and who was just caught in the middle? The death toll could have been much higher if more people were armed.

The gun-rights lobby's mantra that more people need guns will lead to an obvious result — more people will be killed. We'd be walking down a road in which blood baths are a common occurrence, all because the Second Amendment allows them to be.

At this point, bickering about the niceties of textual interpretation, whether the history of the amendment supports this view or that, and how legislators can solve this problem within the confines of the constitution is useless drivel that will lead to more of the same. We need a mass movement of those who are fed up with the long-dead Founders' view of the world ruling current day politics. A mass movement of those who will stand up and say that our founding document was wrong and needs to be changed. A mass movement of those who will thumb their nose at the NRA, an organization that is nothing more than the political wing of the country's gun manufacturers, and say enough is enough.

The Second Amendment must be repealed, and it is the essence of American democracy to say so.


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I'll never understand how a "Constitutional Law" scholar could think this.

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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
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Beat me to it, herr Gruppenfuhrer... smile


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I used to read Rolling Stone back in my young days. By the time I was 21 I had come to the realization that it was a radical leftist organ rather than what it started out as, i.e., a music newspaper. I continued to read it off and on through the end of the Watergate mess, mostly to read Hunter S. Thompson's stuff.

A few years ago I bought a newsstand copy of RS for an interview with a musician I liked. Can't remember who, now. Doesn't matter; the point was that I was so pissed off by the communist/politics of envy editorial policy that I had to throw the thing in the garbage before I even boarded my plane.

Nothing in Rolling Stone is relevant to mainstream America. Its journalistic integrity has been suspect at best, even by the standards of such right-wing nuts as MSNBC, and was shattered by the false "date rape culture" article they printed last year.

You can safely disregard anything printed in Rolling Stone. It don't matter sch!tt.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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BY DAVID S. COHEN June 13, 2016

Beat me to it, herr Gruppenfuhrer... smile


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Amen Brother...

This nation is under threat and our current Administration is more to blame than the Radical Islam... they refuse to close our borders, essentially leaving not only the front door unlocked, but wide open....

These people bring a threat to our nation, with the claim they want to kill our entire population... what is it that the liberal left doesn't understand about that?

And their response to this? they want to disarm the public, and take away anyone's right to defend themselves, their families, their possessions, they communities and neighborhoods.. telling us that this will make us all safer? The Feds are part of the problem and far from having anything to do with the solution...

This is really no difference than disarming our police departments and our military.....Japan didn't attack the continental USA during WW@ for a reason.... nor did the Russians attack it, based on one fact.. how well the US population was armed....

yet the liberal left wants to disarm us all, taking that deterrent away... essentially handing our foes the keys to the kingdom.. telling us nothing will happen...

Whose side are these people on???? certainly not ours...

50 people die and 50+ injured by a radical Muslim.. and the liberal left IMMEDIATELY starts with the same old song and dance..."never let a tragedy go to waste"......

The Senatorial, Congressional and Executive Branch liberal left members ought to be hauled out of office immediately for wanting to put the American public deeper into harms way, just to push their political agenda to undermine this country for their profit and benefit....its called Treason...

yet being a politician, I guess that makes you immune...

and dope smoking hippies, isn't it time they get it thru their head the 60s are over? instead of trying to perpetuate it for eternity?

Our enemies greatest strengths come from our nation's leader's weaknesses and greed....

There are 537 of them and 310 million of us... how much bigger example of a tail wagging the dog than that?

Those that LOVE radical Islam, and Hispanics, let them move there and see how it works out for them in the long run... oh, and let them leave, but don't allow them back.....they do nothing positive for the security of this nation....starting out with screaming to repeal the second amendment... it was put there for a reason, and the threat today is as great if not greater than it was when the Constitution was ratified....

The liberal left and radical Islam pose a greater threat to this nation's security than it ever experienced during the Cold War....

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Typical.

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Those who talk about the "flawed" founders fail to understand that they themselves are even more flawed.

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For the life of me I can't understand how someone who wants to ban guns (because they kill people) is OK with killing small children via abortion.....

Screw that commie bastard......

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The scuz can leave ANYTIME to live in the "civilized" EU. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on yer way out scum


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by BarryC
Stoned? That's how they roll.


Amen Brother...

This nation is under threat and our current Administration is more to blame than the Radical Islam... they refuse to close our borders, essentially leaving not only the front door unlocked, but wide open....

These people bring a threat to our nation, with the claim they want to kill our entire population... what is it that the liberal left doesn't understand about that?

And their response to this? they want to disarm the public, and take away anyone's right to defend themselves, their families, their possessions, they communities and neighborhoods.. telling us that this will make us all safer? The Feds are part of the problem and far from having anything to do with the solution...

This is really no difference than disarming our police departments and our military.....Japan didn't attack the continental USA during WW@ for a reason.... nor did the Russians attack it, based on one fact.. how well the US population was armed....

yet the liberal left wants to disarm us all, taking that deterrent away... essentially handing our foes the keys to the kingdom.. telling us nothing will happen...

Whose side are these people on???? certainly not ours...

50 people die and 50+ injured by a radical Muslim.. and the liberal left IMMEDIATELY starts with the same old song and dance..."never let a tragedy go to waste"......

The Senatorial, Congressional and Executive Branch liberal left members ought to be hauled out of office immediately for wanting to put the American public deeper into harms way, just to push their political agenda to undermine this country for their profit and benefit....its called Treason...

yet being a politician, I guess that makes you immune...

and dope smoking hippies, isn't it time they get it thru their head the 60s are over? instead of trying to perpetuate it for eternity?

Our enemies greatest strengths come from our nation's leader's weaknesses and greed....

There are 537 of them and 310 million of us... how much bigger example of a tail wagging the dog than that?

Those that LOVE radical Islam, and Hispanics, let them move there and see how it works out for them in the long run... oh, and let them leave, but don't allow them back.....they do nothing positive for the security of this nation....starting out with screaming to repeal the second amendment... it was put there for a reason, and the threat today is as great if not greater than it was when the Constitution was ratified....

The liberal left and radical Islam pose a greater threat to this nation's security than it ever experienced during the Cold War....


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He's a threat to liberty and has a suicide pact.

He forgot to mention the liberty of protecting yourself.

And because he's a "Constitutional Scholar", that makes him smarter than the rest of us and we need to shut up and sit down and do as he says. Typical Lib.


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Originally Posted by RWE
I'll never understand how a "Constitutional Law" scholar could think this.
Just ask the AIC...


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Just another liberal jew that forgot how his relations were marched off to the ovens like sheep to slaughter because they were unarmed.. Screw him and rolling stoned!


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scroll down to the comments at the bottom of the article. The comments are running about 10:1 saying the author is an idiot. So maybe people are catching on.


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needs to be repealed because it is outdated


It carries the same timestamp as the rest of our freedoms.

If the 2nd falls, the rest will follow suit.


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I have seen what RS is about and have never read a single copy. It might be good for TP in an emergency.

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Just as muskets were the weapons of the day when the 2nd was written, hand operated printing presses where the way to get news out when the 1st was written.

I'm calling for a ban on computers, cell phones, TV, radio, phones, typewriters, printers etc etc.


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