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Mule Deer, I was shooting my CZ yesterday at gophers. I was using Stingers.. Have shot hundreds of these through this CZ, but yesterday, I probably shot a hundred rounds, when the cases started sticking in the chamber.. This has never happened before. When I chamber either Mini Mags or Stingers, I cannot extract the loaded round.. Rem. and WW ok. When the CCI ammo is fired, I never had trouble until yesterday.. If I let the rifle sit and cool, I could fire about 9 rounds without a stuck case, but the 10th would stick..
When I came home, I ran a brush though the barrel.. It seemed like there was a lot of fouling in the chamber area going by the feel of the brush moving down the barrel.. The next couple passes it was noticeably smoother..This morning I went out and did some shooting, I must have shot close 100 rounds, when I stuck another Stinger case. When I got it out, I put a Rem. in and shot a shot.. After that the rifle operated normally.
Every so often I would shoot a Rem. though the rifle and everything seems fine.
I have no clue why this cropped up now.. All the Stinger ammo is from the same case.. Any ideas?


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We had the same problem with Winchester Subsonics when I shot rabbits for a quid...it turned out to be build-up of the wax lubricant Winchester used, they changed it and the issue disappeared.


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Both the CZs I had, a 455 and a 453, had tight chambers, one reason they shoot so well. All CCIs were a bit tight in my chambers, partly I think, because of the wide driving band on some of them. All this means is that you need to keep the chamber clean. A bore snake works well, and is pretty much all I ever use to clean my .22s these days. A little cleaner helps, but isn't really necessary for a quick cleaning in the field.

The ammo you've got on hand may just have a little more lube than usual.

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I'd run a patch through it soaked in Mineral spirits or Acetone or kerosene. Something that will break down the lube from the ammo. Stingers have a copper plated bullet right? Maybe a swabbing with Sweet's or some other copper remover? After that many rounds, you could have a build up from it shaving off? Not like regular copper fouling of course. Pay special attention to the chamber and throat when cleaning.


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The need to control the fouling in the area just ahead of the chamber is well known in smallbore accuracy circles.

I follow the routine described in the Lilja Barrel website, under Support, then Rimfire Maintenance. The relevant part is every couple of hundred rounds take a worn .22 pistol brush with solvent and scrub the chamber and a bit in front of it.

http://riflebarrels.com/support/22-rimfire-maintenance/

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39, and everyone, thanks.. I did clean the bore with a wire brush and some JB.. That area in front of the chamber did seem like it held some fouling.. The second pass was much easier and I scrubbed that area before quitting..
I guess the thing that gets me is I have fired that many rounds though the rifle before, without a hitch. The ammo was from the same lot.. Who knows. Things seem back to noramal.


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Try cleaning the chamber with a 22-24 cal bore brush.

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Try cleaning the chamber with a 22-24 cal bore brush.

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The Stinger case is longer than a regular .22 LR case. If you shoot regular LR's there will be carbon fouling that begins in the chamber at the end of a standard LR case.

If you then switch to Stingers without cleaning the rifle, that fouling can interfere with chambering and extracting the longer Stinger case in the same way that a chamber fouled by shooting .22 Shorts can cause problems with LR's, or a chamber fouled by the use of .38 Spl. ammo can cause difficulties with .357 Magnums.

I would think that cleaning the chamber when switching ammo would cure your ills.

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Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
The Stinger case is longer than a regular .22 LR case. If you shoot regular LR's there will be carbon fouling that begins in the chamber at the end of a standard LR case.

If you then switch to Stingers without cleaning the rifle, that fouling can interfere with chambering and extracting the longer Stinger case in the same way that a chamber fouled by shooting .22 Shorts can cause problems with LR's, or a chamber fouled by the use of .38 Spl. ammo can cause difficulties with .357 Magnums.

I would think that cleaning the chamber when switching ammo would cure your ills.


This is correct. I believe that you are not supposed to shoot stingers in a CZ due to the longer case.

My 452 has a very tight chamber, and when unfired rounds start giving me trouble with extraction I clean the chamber and extractor.

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wild and Terry, I cleaned up the CZ and it has functioned perfectly.. Thanks for the help..


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Don't have a CZ handy, but over time the extractors on my Rugers and Anschutz bolts can eventually foul up. That's with thousands of rounds going through in a spring ground squirrel season. Anschutz has a tight chamber and has never extracted a loaded round. One has to fire that one to get it clear.

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