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Thanks again.



Dave

OK, I think I understand your position better now. So you don't disagree with my post above, right? It can be made right and it can be made not right. Not the fault of the design.

1911 problems are similar to IBM PC problems. No one manufacturer actually makes all their parts (with the exception of Taurus). Most 1911's are made with parts from a very wide variety of subcontractors. Depending on the manufacturer those parts are often oversized, so it all comes down to the quality of assembly.

S&W seems to have a good handle on it, as well as Colt and Springfield. S&W makes extensive use of MIM parts which are dimensionally perfect, and may go a long way to explaining why they tend to work. Colt and Springfield use oversized parts from billet, forged, or investment cast, but they have people who really know what they're doing for assembly, so they tend to work well out of the box.

Thanks for the thread. Went out and bought one like this today:

rear sight is too big, you are going to scratch yourself.

I have the stainless version. It runs fine, and shoots accurately with anything I have fed it. I bought it as a target pistol, but may swap out the sights for some of Nighthawk's night sights. Maybe get the frame checkered as well.

No, you don't get his point or position........he thinks 1911's are dogshitt because, across all the manufacturers, the odds of getting one that runs well & reliably with any ammo out of the box are probably not more than 60/40.

Him & others want every one to be (Glock) perfect & use Glock as the measuring stick; they want 100% plug & play & have no feel for the aesthetics or the personality & feel of a 1911.........they don't want to have to tweak them, tune them or deal with anything short of perfection to perform, through umpteen thousands of rounds between cleanings out of the box.

It's symptomatic of the way of the world today.

So, maybe now you get his & others subtle & unspoken position.......haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love.

Just let it go & move on; there is really no rational way to deal with them.

And besides that, there's the trolling..........

After all, those opinions & preferences have no impact on those willing to deal with 1911's as they are & who are willing to & can, make them as reliable as a Glock (or M&P, or Sig, etc, etc.)

MM

There was an owner survey years ago at 1911forum.com, that sampled several hundred pistol owners. It simply asked, "did your gun malfunction in the first 200 rounds?"

Glock ran about 11%
Wilson Combat 1911's were about 12%
Les Baer 13%
Colt 1911 about 17% (which included many different models)

Who won? H&K, with about 4% failures

All I know is, I went years and years with no malfunctions in several various Colts over the years, during IPSC shooting, practice for IPSC shooting, or other endeavors. I've never forgotten that some do NOT work, mine always did, though. I also spent a LOT of time ROing matches, and saw a lot of gun problems from other shooters.

I've also seen issues with Glocks, Tanfoglios, even the odd Beretta that showed up from time to time. Crap happens with them ALL. Just about anything that is manufactured by man can crap out. None of MINE ever did, but I'm pretty good at loading ammo that works, too.
So far, though it's only had 100 rounds thru it, my new police trade-in S&W M&P is working pretty good. No malfunctions, but what would you expect out of it with ball 9mm ammo, anyway? I gave it every chance to work flawlessly, and it did.
Some folks won't do that, (give it a chance to work right), or they want it to fail, and do everything they can to make it do so. It seems like that's what the troll is after, finding flaws. I'd rather find the good points and expand on 'em.

Was that survey for 45 acp calibers.

There was a 1911 only survey by manufacturer over on the 1911 forum as well.......maybe 2-3 years ago.

MM

Nice pistol Jorge. I gave the Gold Cup a serious look before picking the Sig 1911 MAX.

Thanks, I've just always been a fan of Colts.

Very nice 'new' and older pistolas Jorge, congrats.

Jorge-

The Trophy is a custom shop gun. There will be no hiccups with that gun.

I remember that. I used to be very active there.

Nice fleet, jorge.

I'll keep it. That way when I get the urge to own one again I can just get out of the safe and shoot it till it stops. Then I remember why I don't carry one.

I do the same with SxS shotguns.

Dink

SxS's suck.



Dave

The three of those collectively won't see 1K rounds in the next five years.




Dave