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Uh oh. I have an old M70 I converted from 30-06 to 270 that works. I will compare those lips to the 308 lips. Yup. 30/06 to 270 will work. I was not happy with 308 to the 30/06 length. Left to right: 1953 M70 30-06 1953 M70 308 1956 M70 30-06 The 30-06 and 308 feed lips are the same in 1953. There is a small change in 1956. Some other things do change from 308 to 30-06; the ejector, magazine, magazine follower, magazine spring, and the thing attached to the extractor collar.
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A little late to the game but still my nicest Pre 64....257 Roberts by Glen Morovitz of Newell, SD. It does get hunted too.... It's first kill... My son's first deer.... It's first elk, last January....
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A little late to the game but still my nicest Pre 64....257 Roberts by Glen Morovitz of Newell, SD. It does get hunted too.... It's first kill... My son's first deer.... It's first elk, last January.... Now that is very cool. I realize that is your "nicest" pre 64 build, but many a person has drooled over your 9.3x62mm in the echols legend as well...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Now that is very cool. I realize that is your "nicest" pre 64 build, but many a person has drooled over your 9.3x62mm in the echols legend as well... You mean this one? ;-)
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Yep, that's the one. Very well put together rifle right there.. I like it..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I've got another, very similar, standard weight stock, maybe for sale.
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Wow! 257 bob elk kill. Beautiful Rifle by the way. A little late to the game but still my nicest Pre 64....257 Roberts by Glen Morovitz of Newell, SD. It does get hunted too.... It's first kill... My son's first deer.... It's first elk, last January....
Figures don't lie, But Liars figure Assumption is the mother of mistakes
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Uh oh. I have an old M70 I converted from 30-06 to 270 that works. I will compare those lips to the 308 lips. Yup. 30/06 to 270 will work. I was not happy with 308 to the 30/06 length. Left to right: 1953 M70 30-06 1953 M70 308 1956 M70 30-06 The 30-06 and 308 feed lips are the same in 1953. There is a small change in 1956. Some other things do change from 308 to 30-06; the ejector, magazine, magazine follower, magazine spring, and the thing attached to the extractor collar. Interesting....I spoke with an experienced smith yesterday about why my 308 to 270 conversion did not work very well. He basically said it's the taper,and "bumps"in the receiver feed rails not being synch'd to the longer 270 cartridge.....something like that. He had a lot of interesting things to say about feed/function in a Mauser system. Bottom line is I think I will put these conversions in the hands of people who aren't guessing. You can't always tell what will work by looking at things.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I am curious as to how the tops of the .308 vs. 30-06 followers compare.
Too close for irons, switching to scope...
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I am curious as to how the tops of the .308 vs. 30-06 followers compare. I dunno....take a look at Rule's book. Notice the boxes though....the 308 is tapered toward the front more than the 30/06 box. Reason for that? ...... One thing that smith told me yesterday is that when you change one thing in a CRF system you need to change something else......the "system" is made to interact correctly. And....there ARE differences between pre 64 boxes and post 64. The pre 64 boxes were tailored more specifically to the individual cartridges. There were also challenges with the Classics with certain ammo and cartridges as far as function was concerned. It was an interesting conversation and would make a great article.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob, you should fly out there and write that article. Seriously. There should be a book written.
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pathfinder I am not the person to do an article like that...it is not my profession and I do not know enough. But I know someone , a writer, who could! Maybe he can file the idea away for a future article.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob, I realize that of course, but would love your prospective on that type of article.
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Not very good pics,but here is the nicest one I own. Put a Leupold 3x on it recently.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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Bob, I realize that of course, but would love your prospective on that type of article. Bob doesn't give himself enough credit. I like his writing style as well. We could all learn a bit from Bob. He knows his pre 64's..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Not very good pics,but here is the nicest one I own. Put a Leupold 3x on it recently. Ken, that is a beautiful sob. I have one just like it. It's one of the most accurate 30-06 rifles I've owned. Carries like a dream and fits like a glove. The reason many a good 30-06 has been sent packing..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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It is accurate with 180 gr NP's and H-4350. What animals that cannot be taken with that load is limited in number. Thought about re-stocking it in a fine piece of walnut,but,figured leave it alone. A Pre '64 Featherweight .30/06 while many were made there are fewer and fewer everyday.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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It is accurate with 180 gr NP's and H-4350. What animals that cannot be taken with that load is limited in number. Thought about re-stocking it in a fine piece of walnut,but,figured leave it alone. A Pre '64 Featherweight .30/06 while many were made there are fewer and fewer everyday. I've had dreams of at least putting mine in a Biesen stock, but it remains in its original aluminum butt plate stock. One of these days, I'll probably end up putting it in a hunters compact like the one on my 270 fwt, but I'm not even sure about that. I kind of like it the way it is... ... You probably know what I mean.. Yours is a fine rifle. If it likes 180gr. Nosler partitions, it will probably like the Winchester powerpoints as well. The beauty in using this semi inexpensive bullet is you can practice more and don't have to touch the setting on the seater die. Try it, you'll be surprised... This is my jackrabbit load. Works great on deer too...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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May have to try the 180 gr PP someday. Been thinking of putting a fine piece of walnut or a Banser stock on this one. Right now have enough projects going on,so this rifle will have to wait.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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I'd leave that one alone. However, I think it needs more of a sagebrush type camo job... You know those jackrabbits will see that realtree pattern.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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