What the AG did NOT do (and had a GJ been empaneled and no billed) was preclude a civil case.... The AG can't prosecute or prove a crime. But, they didn't shut the door on anything else. Had they gone to a GJ and/or trial, those doors would have shut completely.
Shat for brains, you didn't mention "several states" in the original stupidity, did you?
But you'd like to use it as a crutch now.
You gotta lotta liberal in you, whether you know it or not.
Don't argue bout what actually happened, just throw a buncha other BS on top of it and hope nobody notices.
You're hilariously obsessed. This level of stalker is very hard to come by these days.
I almost feel guilty for tossing you a bone....almost.
In regard to ID and collateral estoppel, a bit of very quick research shows that it is, in fact, an estoppel state to some degree. To what level, and whether a GJ no bill would estop a civil action, or whether it requires a full trial acquittal, would require additional research and inquiry that frankly I have no interest in doing.
That for some reason you have asserted that a criminal acquittal would NOT estop a civil action (think wrongful death suits against homeowners who kill an intruder in self-defense) is amazingly wrong, though.
At this point, you're back to "ignore" status. Try not to stress much over that this time; it's clearly a toll on you to have to follow me around and find new ways to embarrass yourself.
Back to this incident - all doors are still open and left that way by the AG; including later prosecution of the officers of new evidence arises.
Last edited by 4ager; 07/29/16.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
If Yantis gun was the only 204 at the scene, and there was a 204 bullet found in the pavement. That evidence would at least seem to impeach the deputies testimony.
If that is so, Won't a lie cast doubt to their entire statements be enough to be brought before a jury?
Nothing to say it was not fired days before and ended up on the road. Nothing to say it was fired from Yantis rifle. I am not taking sides, just saying there is no proof to being to court. .
You're hilariously obsessed. This level of stalker is very hard to come by these days.
I almost feel guilty for tossing you a bone....almost.
In regard to ID and collateral estoppel, a bit of very quick research shows that it is, in fact, an estoppel state to some degree. To what level, and whether a GJ no bill would estop a civil action, or whether it requires a full trial acquittal, would require additional research and inquiry that frankly I have no interest in doing.
That for some reason you have asserted that a criminal acquittal would NOT estop a civil action (think wrongful death suits against homeowners who kill an intruder in self-defense) is amazingly wrong, though.
Back to this incident - all doors are still open and left that way by the AG; including later prosecution of the officers of new evidence arises.
Well, I don't have the GAS to keep up with your mania, so let's agree that *one* of us is a complete moron, that posts bullshat when he has no business doing same.
If Yantis gun was the only 204 at the scene, and there was a 204 bullet found in the pavement. That evidence would at least seem to impeach the deputies testimony.
If that is so, Won't a lie cast doubt to their entire statements be enough to be brought before a jury?
Nothing to say it was not fired days before and ended up on the road. Nothing to say it was fired from Yantis rifle. I am not taking sides, just saying there is no proof to being to court. .
Days before? surely you jest. Appears there was only one 204 there, any half wit could had been able to tell if was fired that evening, or days ago.
If Yantis gun was the only 204 at the scene, and there was a 204 bullet found in the pavement. That evidence would at least seem to impeach the deputies testimony.
If that is so, Won't a lie cast doubt to their entire statements be enough to be brought before a jury?
Nothing to say it was not fired days before and ended up on the road. Nothing to say it was fired from Yantis rifle. I am not taking sides, just saying there is no proof to being to court. .
Spent shell casing in the rifle and it appears that all the witnesses agree that he fired the rifle might have something to do with it. If a .204 round hits the road, there probably isn't going to be much left to definitively match the ballistics to a specific rifle.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
One thing I am sure of, we citizens now know all we will ever know about this incident. I sincerely doubt any opinions will be changed on this matter in the future.
We should take note though as to what was not said in the AG's report.
As Mule Deer has mentioned on more than one occasion referencing firearms writeups. Often what is not written is more telling than what is written.
Nowhere have I seen it printed that the deputies are exhonerated, nor have I seen it written that they acted within departmental policy.
I have only seen that the AG said he felt the state lacked evidence to assure a conviction against the deputies.
That is not a glowing endorsement!
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
One thing I am sure of, we citizens now know all we will ever know about this incident. I sincerely doubt any opinions will be changed on this matter in the future.
We should take note though as to what was not said in the AG's report.
As Mule Deer has mentioned on more than one occasion referencing firearms writeups. Often what is not written is more telling than what is written.
Nowhere have I seen it printed that the deputies are exhonerated, nor have I seen it written that they acted within departmental policy.
I have only seen that the AG said he felt the state lacked evidence to assure a conviction against the deputies.
That is not a glowing endorsement!
Exactly.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
One thing I am sure of, we citizens now know all we will ever know about this incident. I sincerely doubt any opinions will be changed on this matter in the future.
We should take note though as to what was not said in the AG's report.
As Mule Deer has mentioned on more than one occasion referencing firearms writeups. Often what is not written is more telling than what is written.
Nowhere have I seen it printed that the deputies are exhonerated, nor have I seen it written that they acted within departmental policy.
I have only seen that the AG said he felt the state lacked evidence to assure a conviction against the deputies.
That is not a glowing endorsement!
Apparently you missed the part where the ag stated he would release the full report to the public...Ithe would seem if you want to know.more you are free to read it.
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I'm sure that all the states' evidence, what little they have, stands up to scrutiny and cross examination. There's obviously no other interpretations irregardless of the witness statements taken that night, unlike the stone cold facts from the cops days or months after the fact. Signed, sealed and delivered.
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If Yantis gun was the only 204 at the scene, and there was a 204 bullet found in the pavement. That evidence would at least seem to impeach the deputies testimony.
If that is so, Won't a lie cast doubt to their entire statements be enough to be brought before a jury?
Nothing to say it was not fired days before and ended up on the road. Nothing to say it was fired from Yantis rifle. I am not taking sides, just saying there is no proof to being to court. .
Spent shell casing in the rifle and it appears that all the witnesses agree that he fired the rifle might have something to do with it. If a .204 round hits the road, there probably isn't going to be much left to definitively match the ballistics to a specific rifle.
That is my point. You know more about this but wouldn't it be hard to prove that bullet was fired by Mr. Yantis? He could have shot it at a coyote days before. Proving in court is little harder than saying here at the Fire even though we all believe it was that bullet.
All this comes down to what the DA could bring to court with a reasonable chance of winning. He said - she said won't cut it and there appears to be no cut and dried evidence either way.
I believe there was no cause for anyone but the bull to get shot but proving that would be near imposable.
Guessin, but the guess is Mr. Yantis fired it pretty much straight down.
Into the asphalt.
The caliber can be determined from the core, but rifling marks would be destroyed.
It would have a shape that would show it was not fired at any great angle to the asphalt, so it could not have been fired at an earlier time.
The impact would have made an indentation, which would have collected the blood found "on" the bullet, i.e., on the end of the core closest to the "chamber" end of the bullet.
Yantis prepares to put the animal out of its misery.
For a reason that will probably never be known, one of the officers objects, and grabs Yantis.
Yantis rifle discharges into the asphalt, proving that it was:
(a) never pointed at an officer; or
(b) pointed at an officer who struck the barrel down towards the asphalt.
Other officer shoots Yantis.
First officer shoots Yantis.
Both officers STFU until they can get their stories to match the physical evidence and not hang their asses.
The case could be prosecuted, and would hinge on whether the jury believed (a) over(b), but apparently won't be.
He's not part and parcel of the PD. The PD is local; the AG is state. Huge difference. A local DA that has to work with the SO on cases daily might factor in stuff he/she shouldn't on an investigation like this. An AG who is far removed and couldn't care less about a small SO will have NO qualms about throwing two deputies into the ringer. None.
You keep blathering about corruption at all levels and not even thinking about the levels involved or how they interact. The State Police ran the investigation. Never seen an SP that would cover for an SO at all; almost always the opposite. Never seen a State AG that wouldn't fry a local cop at the drop of a hat to be able to say they were "fair, impartial, and no one is above the law".
If this had been an SO investigation and local DA call, then I could see your point. SP and State AG? No. Not at all. You're not going to get a more impartial, or in fact likely skewed toward finding reasons to prosecute the deputies, situation that this. And yet, still no indictment.
You do know, that the Idaho State Police has a documented record of covering up local departments cock-ups? Right?
So you SOUND really profound, but in reality, you're full of scheisse.
One thing that stands out in this is the claim that cameras were present but not rolling. If nothing else comes of this, I hope some law or policy is made to eliminate that excuse in the future. In my world, the camera is always on, and any attempt to disable or interfere with it is a firing offense. Not just "you don't work here anymore", but you're done in this industry. With today's technology and the stakes involved, those cameras should not be allowed to fail - or else...
