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Nope, wouldnt effect me, but could this apply to a person running a dillon producing 1000 rounds or more per month or year?

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The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or
reloading of ammunition;

Or could it be used to register who buys X amount of components?

It's not about the $2,200.00, and it's VERY enforceable if ATF is including it in their inspections; and they will be. Some ATF agents have already been enforcing ITAR (none of this is actually new BTW), and some haven't. We've been fighting this for at least 2 years now.

To the top.
Kids, this matters enough that everyone has to take it seriously.
Department of state gets a big check every year now. I know Kerry's junkets are expensive and unproductive, but this is asinine.

So, how big of a contribution are gunsmiths making to the crime rate? How many of the shoot-em-ups we've seen in recent months got their weapons from the local gunsmith or had them upgraded by the local gunsmith? How much will the local gunsmith have to add to the price of his work because of this? What happens to schools that teach gunsmithing?

This is not a solution in search of a problem, like most regulations. The problem, in the minds of those on the Left, is that Americans have guns. I didn't say they have too many guns. I said they have guns, and our traitorous leaders do not like that. We have a myriad of "common sense" gun laws now, but the politicians talk as though guns are completely unregulated. The jig is up. The Democrats want to eliminate firearms, all of them, from America. We all know it. Good luck with that.

A major fight is coming our way before the November election. Gun owners will be pushed to the wall. Martial law is on the horizon, and all bets will be off.

Steve.

You're assuming, (wrongly IMHO) that every hour a 'smith is in the shop is a billable hour.. Not so - not even close.. For small one-man shops like mine this would necessitate a rather significant increase in the hourly rate. Or, if enough business isn't there, closing for good.


But I was thinking - it mentions only if "increasing the accuracy" etc. ... Seems to me my customers' rifles are 'way too accurate' and they'll want me to open the groups a bit..

And just HOW is the ATF going to "know" what the initial accuracy of any specific rifle is anyway?? As you said Calhoun - this is unenforceable.

We need to send this little item in the OP to every Congressman we have and raise holy hell.. With any luck, once the AIC gets his azz out of the White House and we keep TFP out, maybe Trump will overturn a ton of these little regulations and let business perform again..

It is just the never ending "Creep" to punish the gun world... you don't see ITAR type stuff happening to computers, servers, small engine repair shops.

Honestly Scott if I didn't know better I would be thinking that is aimed at serious war preparation rather than just being annoying for civilian shooters and hunters.

Is there any doubt that we are are living under a dictatorship at this point?

In addition to appointing constructionalist judges, Trump needs to work to restore the balance between the branches of government. Instead of passing laws, Congress now empowers mini-dictators that create regulations with the stroke of a pen.

This election may well be the most important ever. If the fat bitch wins, we are well-and-truly f*cked.

If you stay home in November, you clearly just don't really care. If you squander your vote on a lost-cause candidate out of spite or to make a "statement", you're a fool.

Geez, are you you actually worried about 50 bmgs and "sniper rifles?"

WTF is wrong with them?

you don't see ITAR type stuff happening to computers, servers

Actually I think it can be used on them in some form.

§120.10 Technical data.

(a) Technical data means, for purposes of this subchapter:

(1) Information, other than software as defined in §120.10(a)(4), which is required for the design, development, production, manufacture, assembly, operation, repair, testing, maintenance or modification of defense articles. This includes information in the form of blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation.

(2) Classified information relating to defense articles and defense services on the U.S. Munitions List and 600-series items controlled by the Commerce Control List;

(3) Information covered by an invention secrecy order; or

(4) Software (see §120.45(f)) directly related to defense articles.

(b) The definition in paragraph (a) of this section does not include information concerning general scientific, mathematical, or engineering principles commonly taught in schools, colleges, and universities, or information in the public domain as defined in §120.11 of this subchapter or telemetry data as defined in note 3 to Category XV(f) of part 121 of this subchapter. It also does not include basic marketing information on function or purpose or general system descriptions of defense articles.

[58 FR 39283, July 22, 1993, as amended at 61 FR 48831, Sept. 17, 1996; 71 FR 20537, Apr. 21, 2006; 78 FR 22754, Apr. 16, 2013; 78 FR 61754, Oct. 3, 2013; 79 FR 61227, Oct. 10, 2014; 79 FR 27185, May 13, 2014]

§120.45 End-items, components, accessories, attachments, parts, firmware, software, systems, and equipment.


(e) Firmware and any related unique support tools (such as computers, linkers, editors, test case generators, diagnostic checkers, library of functions, and system test diagnostics) directly related to equipment or systems covered under any category of the U.S. Munitions List are considered as part of the end-item or component. Firmware includes but is not limited to circuits into which software has been programmed.


Link http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=86008bdffd1fb2e79cc5df41a180750a&node=22:1.0.1.13.57&rgn=div5#se22.1.120_110

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donsm70

Land of the free. GD

Not so much anymore.

It's what happens when we quit fighting for it.

Wish I had the sense to be a lawyer instead of a dumass plumber.

Scott, you've got it buddy.

1984 is here and doublespeak is the language of the day.

It means what WE say it means, when we want it to mean that.

Remember "Willy", depends on what the meaning of is is, right?


Geno

Denton,

from the NRA ILA article:

"The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of “manufacturing” a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year. These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article. Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements."

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...on-releases-latest-executive-gun-control


Geno

Grouchy letter sent off to Senators and Congresscritter.

so, who does the collecting of the revenue from the license fee, and where does it go? who is the beneficiary of the license revenue? do they have inspectors or what?

Gus, the intent of this is to concentrate the FFL population. All it will take is the annual inspection visit, and oh,you have a LATHE or you're improving the product, so where's your expensive State Department license for "defense articles?" Including Nightforce scopes or other whatnot?
Oh, you don't have one? Here comes the State Department roving SWAT team....or the IRS inspectors.
Shrink the number of FFLs, then ATF gets to concentrate on those remaining.

It is just one piece of the ever-expanding gun control agenda of the Democraps. Do you remember last year when the regime (through the State and Commerce Departments) came up with these asinine convoluted rules that required hunters who wished to take their rifles out of the country on a foreign hunt to register the rifles and obtain what basically amounted to an "export license" in order to legally take their rifles out of the country? Probably not, unless you hunt in Africa. The point is: The bastards keep probing and pushing and probing ... just see to see how far they can go, how much they can get away with, and whether there will be any public out-cry, and if so, how much. Luckily, with the hunting rifle exportation rules, the out-cry was swift and massive and those rules were schidt-canned. My hunch is that there will not be the same swift and massive out-cry over this ...BUT THERE SHOULD BE. This is just another component of the Democraps' "gun-grab."