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and if all else fails, press harder on the press...
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That's what those solid shank barnes' are for to ;]
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With slightly more case capacity, it may be easier to get the right charge delivered without getting a hernia... I didn't mind reaming these guns. No way would I want to see that done to your vintage Super Grade... Pick up a cheap Hornet rifle and ream it to K Hornet. It's a better case with a shoulder to headspace on, less case stretch, enough more capacity to more easily do what you're doing. And, you may find a 14 twist, which would also favor the 45 TSX load. DF
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Depending on the brass, you'll probably have plenty of room for tHe 45 TSX in the CZ, which probably has a slightly longer magazine than my Brno.
In Winchester brass, 14.5 grains of 300 MP barely came above the shoulder into the neck. I didn't use a drop-tube, just tapped the case a little while filling it with powder. Had no difficulty seating 40-grain Tipped Varmageddons, which are only about .01 longer than the TSX's.
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With slightly more case capacity, it may be easier to get the right charge delivered without getting a hernia... I didn't mind reaming these guns. No way would I want to see that done to your vintage Super Grade... Pick up a cheap Hornet rifle and ream it to K Hornet. It's a better case with a shoulder to headspace on, less case stretch, enough more capacity to more easily do what you're doing. And, you may find a 14 twist, which would also favor the 45 TSX load. DF 10-4 DF, I just fired 3 outta my hornet for s&g's a few minutes ago while testing loads for the 50-90 Sharps. Three of those 45 gr tsx's went well under an inch with two cutting, all through an old M8-4x long tubed Leupold. That Hornet is just like lunchmeat, it's always ready ;]
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Did you get a measure on the twist rate yet? Just curious.... Not yet mmgravy, about to go out to the reload shop and do just that, I'll report my findings in awhile. JB, interesting info on the powders having differing burn rates from on case to the next, I mean, slower burning in a 44 mag, but faster burning in a 22 hornet, I love this place, I would have never put that possibility together. Oh, and I'm in the CCI-450 primer camp too, for all things 22 Hornet. Hello JB and mmgravy, Measured the twist in my rifle, the very best I can glean down to is 1 turn in 15.72" twist, that, a bit off old method of twisting these barrels may be just enough to keep it spinning true JB.
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Thanks, gunner.
Interesting.
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Hey DF, check your cell phone, just sent ya a pic. BWAAHAHAHA
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When using same charges of 300 MP and Li'l Gun with 40-grain bullets, case expansion was slightly less with 300 MP loads--and so was velocity. Around 13.5 grains of 300 MP was required to match the velocities of Li'l Gun in the Ruger Hornet, and accuracy was very similar.
JB, out of curiosity, have you measured the twist in your Ruger Hornet?
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Yeah, near as I can measure it's right at the listed 1-14". Twists don't vary much when barrels are hammer-forged!
My Brno K-Hornet's barrel is right at 1-16". My bet is it's hammer-forged too.
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Hey DF, check your cell phone, just sent ya a pic. BWAAHAHAHA Got it. DF
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Hey DF, check your cell phone, just sent ya a pic. BWAAHAHAHA Got it. DF Did you see that little Hornet group hiding in there amongst those 50 cal holes? ;]
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I did see that tiny little group right there by those BIG holes... Was trying to download, photobucket and post. Can't get it to work. Maybe when I get home on my other computer, I can do something with it. Sure is a difference in bullet hole size, .22 and .50 cal... DF
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LOL, 10-4, It would be nice for JB to see that group, only adds to the mystery for me on why that near 16 twist will spin those 45 gr tsx's up so tight. And yes, 223" at 45 grs beside .512" and 704 grs feels A LOT different too.
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Yeah, near as I can measure it's right at the listed 1-14". Twists don't vary much when barrels are hammer-forged!
My Brno K-Hornet's barrel is right at 1-16". My bet is it's hammer-forged too. Makes me wonder if my Bee is 1 in 14", too - using the same barrel forging dies. If so I could look at 50's in it
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Hey DF, check your cell phone, just sent ya a pic. BWAAHAHAHA Got it. DF Did you see that little Hornet group hiding in there amongst those 50 cal holes? ;] Here ya go, gunner. Little Super Grade, big Sharps... I even like the Ford tractor... DF
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Many thanks for posting the pics DF, maybe JB will stop by to see if he likes the looks on those round 22 cal holes, it will hold it to I know 200 yards, that's probably as far as I'd fire the little hornet at game anyway, especially if the wind was really whipping.
You know, speaking of wind, the first shot was dead center 2.5" high, while I was loading the second round I heard the wind chimes on the back porch, those chimes only jingle when the wind is out of the S.E., direction of fire is dew North, that may help explain the last two shots being a bit left, it was a calm wind, maybe 5/6 mph, but, I don't think it takes much to move the little hornet.
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I'm looking forward to JB's report on his 14-14.5 gr. 300-MP K Hornet loads with 40 gr. bullets.
I'm thinking that load can be backed down a bit for a good 45 TSX load in the K Hornet.
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10-4, me too, I believe that 45 gr tsx at 2900+ should drill the hell out of deer or pigs, we may even get an invite to the Poohbah palace yet ;] ;]
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