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Jorge, told us this sounded like a cluster. He was right again. Hasbeen

Before I retired, I had a Reserve Lt. Cmdr. giving me orders as his civilian job.
His Navy job was those small boats.
If he was one of the leaders involved, poor leadership is a given.

My son told me when this happened that it was a group of hollywood sailors.
And that many would get the axe or other type of sanction.

He trains groups of folks and some have never fired a weapon of any kind and for them to be where they are it should not have happened.

They are trying to weed out those that don't grasp the job and take it to heart.

Heads got chopped off all the way to a Captain. Sounds like the small boat officers really screwed up. Hasbeen

Yep.

It's a crisis of leadership engineered by politicians.

Jorge told us what the crew should have done back when this happened. Hasbeen

This pretty much seals it in my mind. That Petty Officer should be Court Martialed with EXTREME perjudice. Personally I would have a put a gun to his head:

Under existing rules of engagement, unit commanders retain both a right and obligation to defend themselves when facing a potential enemy. Deployed U.S. troops also must adhere to a code of conduct that says they will never surrender of their own free will, and will resist by all means necessary if taken captive.

An enlisted coxswain in one of the craft, riverine command boat (RCB) 802, refused directions to maneuver away from the Iranian boats for fear someone would be shot, forcing the lieutenant on board to try to talk his way out of the altercation. The other craft, RCB 805, went back to the Navy boat that stopped afterward.

Once in captivity, one crew member failed to uphold the code of conduct by making “statements adverse to U.S. interests” during an interrogation, the report said. Among the details disclosed were specifics about the boat’s top speed.

Another detained American failed to uphold the code of conduct by encouraging others to eat food provided by the Iranians, despite knowing that they were being recorded on video. Those clips were later distributed by Iranian state media.

The investigation does highlight quick thinking on the part of one sailor, however. The sole female crew member, a gunner on RCB 805, deserves

Given all the navigational tools available today, it's hard to believe they got themselves into such a bind on positioning.

If one of the boats really did have a problem, you'd think they would tow it & boogie straight west away from Iran & call for help ASAP..........at that point they had to know they weren't going to be able to make the re-fueling rendezvous.

MM

SERE

What do you expect when we're actively trying to recruit queers and women?

Just want to point out that the woman is the one who behaved like a real man.

There you go.

Whatever you do, don't read the article.

Sounds like the only set of balls on the whole boat belonged to a bleeder.




Dave

PS-I still don't think women should be allowed to serve. Or work. Or vote. Or speak.

Except cook right??

Are orders now subject to veto by subordinates?

It will be interesting to see what the final outcome of this is. Hasbeen

What an embarrassment, having spent 24+ years on active duty I cringe every time I hear about this incident

barack hussein has been hard at work for almost 8 years now, to take the American armed forces down to size. He is America's most implacable enemy, and has done more harm to the US Navy than the japs did in WWII. And he got paid to do it.

This.
The Obama administration has done everything it can to make the U.S. military be as ineffective and impotent as possible and he has succeeded.

The "leadership" is so scared of being the next scapegoat no matter what decision they make it's going to be wrong because it takes balls to make the hard decisions. And if they do, their career is done.

It's a "no win" no matter what they do. Since no rounds were fired at least no one is going to Leavenworth. They were all embarrassed and men lost their jobs but they did not end up in prison. And, we all know that's where Obama wants them to be.

kwg