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I've burned many pounds of H335 but am considering a switch to CFE223. Much cleaner powder and I get higher velocities.
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Does anybody use Winchester 748? 748 was the first rifle powder I ever bought when I started reloading for a .223 and .30-06 and I still always keep some on hand. I always had good results with Win 748,But it is not as clean burning as TAC.
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Does anybody use Winchester 748? Yes, with 50gr V-max and max charges in a Browning Micro Medallion A-bolt.
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I going to try some with 50gr v-max in a Rem. 700 26in. bull barrel
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Brazos Jack,
I might also point out that while Benchmark is also a great .223 powder, and does meter very easily, it's more expensive than TAC (or most other spherical powders, for that matter). Prices for BM on three websites where I often order components averaged 12% higher than TAC.
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John since you went down that route, the reason I have never tried N133 is because it averages 8 to 10 bucks per pound more than benchmark or about 25 - 30% more.
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Yep, all the VV powders are pricey!
I do use some powders that cost a little more than others, but only in cartridges I don't shoot a lot, mostly big game rounds where the gain in performance is worth the small additional price per round. But when shooting thousands of rounds cost is obviously a factor, at least for most of us.
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When I got my stash of N133 I got a deal. My old component supplier sold me several pounds on clearance. He wasn't going to carry VV any longer because of spotty availability at the time.
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I've had good luck with CFE 223
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That would be a good way to get some!
My supply of VV powders is mostly free, sent to me a few years ago by the then-distrubutor. In general, however, I haven't found them to be significantly better than other brands, though they're always worth a try. In my 6mm PPC benchrest rifle I'm using LT-32 instead of 133.
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I have a two pounder of N140 squirreled away, and my handloading student has a single and a half. It's nearly magical for accuracy for our 700 Classics in 300 Savage.
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Mathman, I'm curious what that N140 load might be. I have one of the 300 Savage 700 Classics as well, but have yet to find a great load for it. 150 SST's with the RL-15 load you suggested has so far been the best.
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TAC is pretty much H335 without the warts, what H335 should have been or should be now.
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I've tried just about all the ball powders that will work in the 223. I use the 223 strictly for varmints and rarely use bullets over 55 grains, with the 50 grain VMax being what I use most. My most accurate load in a bolt rifle has been with surplus WC846. Extremely consistent on the chronograph, and very accurate as well. With my AR's, I like H335, BL-C2, W748....all old school, I know.....also TAC, X-Terminator, H322, WC844, plus a few of the AA powders.
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I've burned about a ton of H-335 and haven't had any problems with it. Accurate and fast; what's not to like. Or maybe I'm too damned old to change kd
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win 748 works best in my guns
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Mathman, I'm curious what that N140 load might be. I have one of the 300 Savage 700 Classics as well, but have yet to find a great load for it. 150 SST's with the RL-15 load you suggested has so far been the best. Hopefully I'll be able to find the data for you. It's not ingrained in my brain like my 308 stuff and I recently lost tons of reference/research material during major flooding of my house.
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I was thinking more of the particular 300Sav+P, OK in a Rem 700 load we worked up a couple of years ago.
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