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What tripod are you using that allows you to turn the scope on its side, or down? Scope turns, Leica Televid APO. Monfrato tripod, but that does not matter. You can have less silhouetting with a lower position with the tilt, if that is your point.
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Chevy, Ford...
I'm on an angled kick these days, with either a fluid head or a geared head depending on activity.
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If one needs to "explain" why he wants to be looking,the way he is actually looking,all will be lost upon the recipient of that "news".
A Spotter is used to analyze and track,play by play...and the ONLY way to arrange same,is to be gawking where it is pointed simultaneously. Hint.
I mainly drive Gitzo,Giotto's and Manfrotto legs/heads. A ballhead simply has no equal and to connect the most dots by default,same is paired with a Straight Spotter.
I tend to shorten center columns to arrange same,which bolsters rigidity of the optic and am happiest in relative MPAJ Prone Rucktitude,with legs shortened as much as possible and splayed to yield more footprint,especially due the fact that I'm not Fence Hopping or playing Haybale & Crockett. The approach fends wind better than any other,due the reduction of surface area. Hint.
Pretty funny stuff!
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John, I am usually sitting behind a tripod with 15x binos. When the need to replace the binos with a spotter arose, I found it much easier with a straight scope in terms of finding and aligning the target. I have always used a straight model. Also, when switching binos to the angled scope like I used from a friend, I needed to lower the height of the tripod legs to be able to look down into the eyepiece and still remain seated. Someone mentioned that it is easier to look upward with an angled scope, which is true. It would be the opposite looking downhill though.
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What tripod are you using that allows you to turn the scope on its side, or down? Manfrotto 190CXPRO4. A little on the heavy side, but worth it for stability and reliability....
Luck....is the residue of design...
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Thanks Pat. I'll just have to suffer my pan head for a while, but those are nice.
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At 6'5" I have come to appreciate that when standing behind an angled scope I can bend at the waist and don't have to squat like Im taking a dump behind a straight scope because 99.9% of the tripods in the world are too short.
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At 6'5" I have come to appreciate that when standing behind an angled scope I can bend at the waist and don't have to squat like Im taking a dump behind a straight scope because 99.9% of the tripods in the world are too short. At 6'4" I am not that much behind you... but those sessions of squatting like that are not required, usually and the angled scope will always be harder to find the critter in...
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Just like Sitka and a bunch of others said, The angled is very comfortable with my thick neck, but for speed of finding your target the straight is much faster and easier.
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I gotta throw in with those who prefer straight. I hate struggling to find something I found with my binos because sometimes "those things" don't hang around long.
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One advantage to the angled eyepiece, at least for target shooting, is that you can set it up so that you can spot your shots with no more than a turn of the head, without breaking position. The straight eyepiece doesn't lend itself nearly so well to this.
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It is easier to find the exact spot with a straight scope...
For really long glassing sessions it is easier to find a comfortable position with the angled...
I prefer to put up with struggling to get comfortable and use straight scopes. Most disagree with that position. I have seen many times where I was able to get the scope on critters far faster than any one else and that is the trade-off I prefer. +1 +1 Had a Swarovski 65mm STM (straight) and traded here for a 65mm ATS and could not be happier with my Angled Swarovski. The Swarovski does rotate so it super easy to get comfortable and stay low with it.
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It's a close call but for the reasons given in the other posts I prefer a straight scope.........
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.
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Per usual, I found the solution to have some of each. In general I prefer straight for hunting and angled for the range.
Bushnell used to offer a spotting scope with a hinged eyepiece section that could either be used straight or angled. The optics weren't top-notch, however, probably because of the compromises involved.
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Angled outsells straight by a wide margin...
I find people who hunt more tend toward straight and virtually all others prefer angled. Only one exception comes to mind and he does a lot of both...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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I won't own another angled spotter. I bought one as my first upper tier spotter, a Razor HD, and couldn't believe how hard it was to actually get on something.
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angled are easy to get on with a bit of effort. Then you get used to them.
After that the multitude of options of how to use them, including laying on your back looking up into the eyepiece is flat beyond amazing.
I have a straight eyepiece Zeiss though, because it was a good deal, but if I had my choices, they'd all be angled forever more.
Caveat we started angled in competition, and hence we have tons of hours behind them so they may be easier for us to use than for others to get used to, though we'd never used an angled one before we bought our two Kowa, and in the first match we used them at Carolyn and I never had an issue finding our targets or viewing them.
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Using an angle eyepiece is no different than using mirrors to back up. You have to use them to know how. It sounds like there are a lot of people here that back up, looking over their shoulder.
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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Using an angle eyepiece is no different than using mirrors to back up. You have to use them to know how. It sounds like there are a lot of people here that back up, looking over their shoulder. Or maybe we have lots of experienced hunters here who know what they like and why.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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Lots of people back up without mirrors too, I suppose you could call them experienced. The majority of responses about not using an angled eyepiece is their inability to find their object as easy as a straight eyepiece. Once you use the angled eyepiece like you do mirrors, you will find the angled eyepiece more versatile.
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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