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Thanks. I have a HD on a 1.5-5 but was thinking that a German 4 on a 1.75-6 might be a good for quick shots in thick stuff, especially in near dark conditions.
That's pretty precise regardless of reticle!
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My experience: the smaller 20 mm objectives (I used a 1.5-5x Vari-X lll for awhile) are noticeably darker in the shadows and at either end of the day-too much so for my tastes.
I used a 1.75-6x Leupold in Namibia and found the power range ideal for me but even better in the grey-brown bush was the heavy duplex in it. I've also used the German 4a and liked it in those situations as well.
A lot of scopes will work but IMO stay away from a fine reticle for use on a big black animal that will probably be in the bush.
Any preference between HD and German 4 in that scope? Thanks RM Mike; I used the HD because I believe the #4 was not available in the 1.75X6. The #4 is available in the 1.5X5X20 but I think only with the ill reticle which is what I have on my 416R. j
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Mike, I used the HD because I believe the #4 was not available in the 1.75X6. The #4 is available in the 1.5X5X20 but I think only with the ill reticle which is what I have on my 416R. j The new VX3i only comes in regular duplex at this point. Any other reticle is a switch. If the HD and German 4 are more or less a toss up, I think I'll have the reticle switched to the German 4 since I already have the HD on the 1.5-5. What I'm looking for as well is a bit more light (32mm v 20mm) for those late evening porkers that show up when there's about 2 minutes of ambient light left. RM
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The HD (or #$) really help in that regard, Mike. I'd take the 32mm all day long over the 20
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I will be heading to Zimbabwe for buffalo and sable next year. My 416 Rem M70 will wear the 1.5-5X Leupold I took on M70 375 H&H chasing brown bear hunt this past spring. It will also be on the same 375 in 2018 chasing brown bear again.
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The HD (or #$) really help in that regard, Mike. I'd take the 32mm all day long over the 20 This past spring, very late in the evening, I crept up on a feeder that had a young pig near it. I was a little over twenty yards away, but because I was kneeling on the ground in the shadows, and the black pig was rooting in front of some palmetto, all I could see were the tan edges of his ears moving. Had I been in the stand, fifteen feet in the air, there probably would have been enough ambient light flowing into the 20mm objective to have taken a shot, but in the shadows I simply couldn't make out exactly what part of the pig I was looking at. So I passed. I was carrying Ingwe's old "big rifle" with the VX3 1.5-5 HD duplex that I put on it. A little more objective, as well as (hopefully) Leupold's new low light lens coating, and I might have had enough definition to take the shot. My only indecision right now is whether or not to have an HD or G4 reticle installed on the 1.75-6x32 when it arrives. I'll need to make up my mind soon, though, as I expect the scope will be here sometime next week.
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I have VX-3 1.75-6x32 and 1.5-5x20, like them both. The Victory 1.5-6x42 is a big scope, 20 oz in Warne QD's. But it's super bright and the glass is first rate, great is fading light. I've not been on Safari, not sure which scope I'd use. Would probably have both Victory and 1.75-6 in QD's. M-70 NH .375 H&H, 21", flutted by Karl, NECG irons, 7#, 14 oz w/o scope. DF
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I have tried to use the 20mm objective Leupolds, but I need more light.
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Dirt: that Victory is a SERIOUS scope for low light hunting and would be my choice for a cat blind.
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Jorge,
Not sure how it compares to the Swaro, the reticle is SFP, visible in low light.
I had a VX-6 1-6x24 #4 Fire dot. It was a great scope, but at 300 yds. that reticle was sorta thick for precise shooting; I sold it.
With the VX-6, I would recommend std. duplex and Fire dot. That duplex is very visible and would be better for all around shooting including long shots.
The .375 H&H can be a LR gun, in fact does pretty well in that regard. So, for genl. use, scope choice needs to account for that possibility.
DF
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I'm sure it's the equal of any Swaro. Swaros are great, BUT they suffer from very thin reticles that I think negate their great glass. I have a Z6 that even with their thicker reticle, it still tougher to see than a standard Leupold HD.
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I'm sure it's the equal of any Swaro. Swaros are great, BUT they suffer from very thin reticles that I think negate their great glass. I have a Z6 that even with their thicker reticle, it still tougher to see than a standard Leupold HD. I have a Z5 and a Z3. The 5 was so bad, I sent it back for a #4, which is better, still not that heavy. The 3 is pretty fine but not that bad. Don't have a 6. A VX-6 2-12x42 is another thought, great duplex and very good glass. I have two, just not on DG type rifles. Good ER. DF
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My next scope will be a VX6 for sure. Frankly after all these years, I'm perfectly content with a 2.5X8X36 Leupold w the B&C reticle. Worked like a CHAMP on that elk!
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jorgeI, never thought I'd say it, but the B&C that sits on my MCWhorter 7-08 works like a champ too out too 500 yards. Hashes match up perfectly at 3,4,450, and 500.
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I have VX-3 1.75-6x32 and 1.5-5x20, like them both. The Victory 1.5-6x42 is a big scope, 20 oz in Warne QD's. But it's super bright and the glass is first rate, great is fading light. I've not been on Safari, not sure which scope I'd use. Would probably have both Victory and 1.75-6 in QD's. M-70 NH .375 H&H, 21", flutted by Karl, NECG irons, 7#, 14 oz w/o scope. DF Correction. 7#, 12 oz without scope. DF
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