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Huh Super solid 9mm shaped like a ground down philips head that penetrates 40" of gel. http://www.lehighdefense.com/pages/xtreme-penetrator
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If I were carrying that for self defense I'd carry the Xtreme Defender Load. In my Glock 10mm that's a 115 grain bullet scooting along at about 1800 fps (6" barrel). It shows a penetration of 18". The Xtreme Penetrator with 40" of penetration isn't even going to slow down as is whistles through your target and kills one or two more people standing behind him.
If you're carrying for the woods, use the heaviest cast, or machined flat nose bullets they offer in 9mm.
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80% of shot fired by police on average miss the intended target aren't the misses more dangerous to an unintended than the hits?
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Is there such a thing as to good? That's a special application load in my opinion, big bears, boars, elephants...
Their 357 Sig 90 grain load is listed at 1600 FPS.
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I would like to try those a Extreme penetrates, if the leave good wound channels they definitely have a place.
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I might be old school, but a heavy bullet is what I want for penetration. Never have been a fan of tiny fly weight bullets for anything.
Sam......
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I sure wouldn't put them in anything you use for home defense.
They are interesting - but as you said over penetration is a big concern.
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They look interesting and they sure are proud of them. My wife would have to get another job before I could afford them for day-to-day use.
Mathew 22: 37-39
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30% more expensive than Gold Dots...Not interested.
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30% more expensive than Gold Dots...Not interested. Prolly 150% deeper penetration, I'm very interested
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30% more expensive than Gold Dots...Not interested. Prolly 150% deeper penetration, I'm very interested Why? Do you line your bad guys up and shoot three at a time?
Let's Go Brandon! FJB
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30% more expensive than Gold Dots...Not interested. Prolly 150% deeper penetration, I'm very interested Why? Do you line your bad guys up and shoot three at a time? Phil Shoemaker, used 147 grain deep penetrating hard cast to kill a 900 pound Alaskan grizzly that charged. Many like to use a familiar gun that they already own and shoot well.. mono metal bullet have tha ability to out penetrate heavier lead base bullets.
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30% more expensive than Gold Dots...Not interested. Prolly 150% deeper penetration, I'm very interested Why? Do you line your bad guys up and shoot three at a time? Phil Shoemaker, used 147 grain deep penetrating hard cast to kill a 900 pound Alaskan grizzly that charged. Many like to use a familiar gun that they already own and shoot well.. mono metal bullet have tha ability to out penetrate heavier lead base bullets. So, that's why Phil used a heavy lead bullet?
Let's Go Brandon! FJB
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30% more expensive than Gold Dots...Not interested. Prolly 150% deeper penetration, I'm very interested Why? Do you line your bad guys up and shoot three at a time? Phil Shoemaker, used 147 grain deep penetrating hard cast to kill a 900 pound Alaskan grizzly that charged. Many like to use a familiar gun that they already own and shoot well.. mono metal bullet have tha ability to out penetrate heavier lead base bullets. So, that's why Phil used a heavy lead bullet? Phil had tested them and concluded that they would provid enough penetration.
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I'd love to give these a try in a .40.
Travis
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I'm using the 90gr Defender bullet as well in a 9mm +P+ load @ 1525 fps from a G19. The Defender bullet works better than the Penetrator IMO; it still penetrates deep, but does more damage and is more accurate in my guns.
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Travis - they have them for 40's.
I've been using hornady anodized 4 lead with thick double jackets rolled at the ends for years for bear... but never had to shoot one.
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If I'm i bear country, I'd load extreme penetrators in a glock 19 with a +3 mag extension and have 19 rounds of deep penetrating ammo
For people though, the federal HST tests so damn good in every single test I've seen in 9mm, I just can tjustify these bullets for the 9mm or anything above it
In 380 they do intrigue me for my glock 42. THE extreme defenDer IL would be my choice there
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They're in all my semi-autos (4 Glocks [17,19,20 & 40]). I use the Defenders because the penetration isn't too great. In my 10mm's it's 18" of ballistic gel. If the bullet has to penetrate heavy clothing and bones it may exit, then again it may stay in the bad guy's torso. I'm going to compare the penetration of Punch Bullets and Corbon FLN for my S&W 500.
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