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PF's are iffy....

You're telling me. I had a 270 fwt that wouldn't shoot 10 shot groups for chit:

I saw it through the end of the NH runs...

The BACOs seem to have a small pad of some harder substance - but still totally inadequate compared to a proper bedding. First thing I do with all of 'em is remove the factory stuff and start over..

I agree. The old "hot glue" sucked, and the new BACO is better, but still not what I'd consider great bedding. Here's some hot glue bedding that was not quite up to par:

Uh oh...I'm using a hot-glue pushfeed as my main rifle again this season.

There's many reasons I call it Ol'Reliable. I suppose the bedding isn't one of those though.

DD. If it's factory bedding, it's the "hot glue" type... It's brittle and looks like the stuff on the stainless rifle pictured above. Hopefully yours is still in the stock though. It might be "old reliable". But for how long, is the question??...

The pushfeed XTRs from the '80s are usually an excellent buy.

Very good quality at reasonable prices. In my opinion, one of the best buys out there in a used rifle.

It's definitely hot-glue, and it looks even worse than the stuff in the picture. It just keeps on shooting good groups, and I keep on using it. It's been that way since 1994, so I'm just thinking I'll leave it alone.

It was the last rifle I bought before getting married, and it's been pretty lucky/good/reliable.

One of the most accurate model 70's I ever owned was a Model 70 Target in 30/06 that was a push-feed.

Nothing wrong with a push feed.

How are the present 'assembled in Portugal' BACO's?

Thanks,

Jerry

I own two, and they are excellent. Can't tell much difference when compared to the SC versions, but then again, those are excellent as well. IMO, the post 2006 models are Winchester's best M70's to date, and that includes the pre-64's.

Mmmm....

Tell me how. I hear this all the time without explanation.

I discovered the "secret" of hot glue bedding when I pulled my son's Classic apart years ago to correct the barrel position in its channel. The blob of glue looked like it was squirted in at random. I picked it out with my fingers and tossed it, then bolted the action back into the stock. The barrel was nicely centered. Incredible cheapness at work.

dronofrio has one for sale in the classifieds right now. You should buy it. It's no where near the rifle my 1956 fwt is though. I'd also be interested to know why the BACO is the better rifle. Is it because of the box trigger? Because it's CNC'd and slapped together? I've had issues with the new BACO's and their extractors and poor accuracy, poor bedding and ill fitting stocks. Please explain why the newer rifle is better. I'd like to know as well...How many pre 64's have you owned??

If Im gonna drop a grand I will still grab this instead of a BACO...

I've owned 4 pre 64s, 1 classic usrac and 3 baco guns. I like the current guns better as well. Don't get me wrong I love the pre 64s too but the new guns have nicer metal work, better stocks and frankly mine shoot better.

While I have no complaints with the moa, the old trigger is considered by most to be superior and the new guns have mim extractors which I don't like but is easily replaceable if desired.

Anyway you slice it...you can't go wrong wit ph a crf model 70 IMHO


Edited to add...my new guns have all been super grades so I can't speak to the fw or standards

When did they go to MIM in the BACO? I thought they were spring steel extractors.

They've been MIM'd ever since Winchester brought back the "classic" M 70's.

Wrong. There is so much misinformation in this thread, I hardly know where to start. First, Classic extractors were never MIM, the early models were cast. Around about 2003, Winchester began purchasing spring steel extractors from Williams, and these were used on Classics up until near the end of production, when they began purchasing spring steel extractors from another source, I believe. Cast extractors can be identified by one or two hash marks on the nose of the extractor, which spring steel extractors do not have. This topic was discussed ad naueseum on these boards, with input from Williams himself, back in the day. Do a search and check it out.

As far as BACO rifles, I have no information to suggest the extractors are anything but spring steel. The extractors on my BACO's appear to be spring steel. I doubt they are anything but. If anyone has any actual hard evidence to suggest otherwise, I would be delighted to hear it.