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You do realize maps like that really don't mean anything?
The land mass doesn't translate into population.
Precisely why our founding fathers created the electorate college. They didn't want the idiot city dwellers speaking for the rest of the country.
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You do realize maps like that really don't mean anything?
The land mass doesn't translate into population.
Precisely why our founding fathers created the electorate college. They didn't want the idiot city dwellers speaking for the rest of the country. I wouldn't say that 'they don't mean anything'.... It keeps a half adozen or so States from taking over the Natural Resources of the State of Alaska, it's called a balance of power. Is it even, NOPE. But it's a hell-ov-a lot better than MOB-Rule Democracy....................
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Sad that virginia was blue! Yes, but Virginia Beach was red, for Trump.
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Ever since the Supreme Court took away the right of each county to elect a Senator to the State Senate power had been totally concentrated in the population centers. This was not how life stated out for these here United States and I think we should return to a Senator from each county.
What say you. Cheers NC
I agree, but we have to figure out a system of senator selection that doesn't recreate the original problems we had--primarily political establishment cronyism. Casey
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Having said that, MAGA.
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Ever since the Supreme Court took away the right of each county to elect a Senator to the State Senate power had been totally concentrated in the population centers. This was not how life stated out for these here United States and I think we should return to a Senator from each county.
What say you. Cheers NC
I agree, but we have to figure out a system of senator selection that doesn't recreate the original problems we had--primarily political establishment cronyism. Casey There is a system and Trump is going to address it: Term limits ! It works for the president so it will work for congress.
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If blue is democrat then the Maine map is wrong. 9 of 16 counties voted Trump including Aroostook County which is blue on that map. Only the coastal counties voted D.
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Its a map from the AP .. I'm off to look 4a crime map
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Look at nebraska every single county is red....
Nebraska also has zero debt.....related you think....?
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There is a system and Trump is going to address it: Term limits! It works for the president so it will work for congress.
If people really wanted term limits they wouldn't keep reelecting incumbents.
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Sad that virginia was blue! Concentration of vermin up North
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There is a system and Trump is going to address it: Term limits! It works for the president so it will work for congress.
If people really wanted term limits they wouldn't keep reelecting incumbents. Exactly. If all the people calling for term limits voted that value, we would in fact have term limits. I cannot remember the last time I voted for an incumbent. Until congressional approval ratings get up to 50% mark, I won't.
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Sad that virginia was blue! The colors on this map appear to be distorted for Virginia. Going to the State breakdown by counties it appears Hillary won 13 or 14 counties and trump won the rest of the 95 total counties in Virginia. But, Northern VA, Norfolk, Richmond and Newport News rules with population numbers.
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All the clamor to get rid of the Electorial College because for the second time Dems lost the election but had more popular votes.
Here is a simple illustration why the Electorial College is indeed necessary............
Hillary Clinton at the moment leads Donald Trump nationally by a total of....................................................... 395,595 votes
California totals:
Hillary Clinton......................................................................5,589,936 votes
Donald Trump......................................................................3,021,095 votes
Difference........................................................................................................................................................2,568,841 votes
So we are going to disenfranchise the majority voters in Pa., Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, and all the other states where Doanld Trump won not only the electorial votes but the popular votes as well. New Jersey as well as New York had enough extra votes for Hillary to exceed the difference in popular votes at the moment. Yeah, just let California, New York or New Jersey tell eveyone to step in line or else. Screw that.......... If you took out all of the Illegals that vote 4 and 5 times in Cali. the #s would be closer that they are. I do not think that much voter fraud go's on in Cali. The Dems do not need it.
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You do realize maps like that really don't mean anything?
The land mass doesn't translate into population.
Precisely why our founding fathers created the electorate college. They didn't want the idiot city dwellers speaking for the rest of the country. You are right the founding fathers figured that the common masses either didn't have the information or capability to make an informed decision. So we get the EC to act as an intermediary. The protection of the less populated states is a function of the Senate. I think today with the ease of access of information, and the fact that most of the population is suppose to be educated, we could and should do away with it and have a straight popular vote. I think it should be one vote per citizen, even if some are idiots. I think we will see a push to abolish the EC very soon. Having two elections in the past few years that the EC vote total didn't match the popular vote shows it may not be working as well as it did in the past.
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You do realize maps like that really don't mean anything?
The land mass doesn't translate into population.
Precisely why our founding fathers created the electorate college. They didn't want the idiot city dwellers speaking for the rest of the country. You are right the founding fathers figured that the common masses either didn't have the information or capability to make an informed decision. So we get the EC to act as an intermediary. The protection of the less populated states is a function of the Senate. I think today with the ease of access of information, and the fact that most of the population is suppose to be educated, we could and should do away with it and have a straight popular vote. I think it should be one vote per citizen, even if some are idiots. I think we will see a push to abolish the EC very soon. Having two elections in the past few years that the EC vote total didn't match the popular vote shows it may not be working as well as it did in the past. In my humble opinion , a system that kept Al Gore and Hillary Clinton out of the White House, is a perfect system.
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You do realize maps like that really don't mean anything?
The land mass doesn't translate into population.
Precisely why our founding fathers created the electorate college. They didn't want the idiot city dwellers speaking for the rest of the country. You are right the founding fathers figured that the common masses either didn't have the information or capability to make an informed decision. So we get the EC to act as an intermediary. The protection of the less populated states is a function of the Senate. I think today with the ease of access of information, and the fact that most of the population is suppose to be educated, we could and should do away with it and have a straight popular vote. I think it should be one vote per citizen, even if some are idiots. I think we will see a push to abolish the EC very soon. Having two elections in the past few years that the EC vote total didn't match the popular vote shows it may not be working as well as it did in the past. Exactly the type of uninformed thinking that is based on lack of understanding of the concept of a Federal Republic guided by a constitution. One man one vote overvalues concentrated populations and results in mob rule. A Federal republic balances the equality of each political unit (the States) to check the monopoly of power that a central (i.e., in our case, Federal) government inevitably accrues. Our form of government may not be perfect - nothing man creates can be - but it's a far sight better than anything else out there.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty of give me death! P. Henry
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There is a system and Trump is going to address it: Term limits! It works for the president so it will work for congress.
If people really wanted term limits they wouldn't keep reelecting incumbents. Exactly. If all the people calling for term limits voted that value, we would in fact have term limits. I cannot remember the last time I voted for an incumbent. Until congressional approval ratings get up to 50% mark, I won't. I once saw a pole where almost everyone poled thought congress should kick out the folks in the House and the Senate.....except their guy. Term limits will eliminate this problem. We need someone who can lead them to vote themselves out of office.
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You do realize maps like that really don't mean anything?
The land mass doesn't translate into population.
Precisely why our founding fathers created the electorate college. They didn't want the idiot city dwellers speaking for the rest of the country. You are right the founding fathers figured that the common masses either didn't have the information or capability to make an informed decision. So we get the EC to act as an intermediary. The protection of the less populated states is a function of the Senate. I think today with the ease of access of information, and the fact that most of the population is suppose to be educated, we could and should do away with it and have a straight popular vote. I think it should be one vote per citizen, even if some are idiots. I think we will see a push to abolish the EC very soon. Having two elections in the past few years that the EC vote total didn't match the popular vote shows it may not be working as well as it did in the past. A couple hours ago I heard on the radio Trump won with the Electoral College AND ! the popular vote. A successful push to eliminate the EC is going to be harder to do than getting term limits in congress.
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I'll be dammed if that little bit of blue is going to tell the rest of us what to do .... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k632/atvalaska/Mobile%20Uploads/electoral-small.png) . Its telling where a fellow mite be able to live .. I would like to see that map with whatever portion is blue is solid... and what is red is solid... I think it would give a better perspective as to what we're dealing with land and people.. Mass wise...
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