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I'm not a fan of WSM cartridges, but between the two, that is the one I would choose. The 7mm Mag has a reputation for being a little unpredictable in load development, as does the 243 and the 338 Lapua. Other than that, the critter on the receiving end would never know the difference. My 7 mags have been predictably accurate with whatever load I punched through them. If they are unpredictable, then most likely anything that you load will be.
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Jim, sounds like the same guy I used to work with in Idaho. His name wouldn't be morris by any chance? He said the same crap....and seriously meant it.
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No, his name wasn't Morris but apparently there at least two guys in Idaho who believe that. Can't be too harsh on folks though. A very long time ago I used to believe a .243 bullet would blow up into little pieces if it so much as grazed a blade of grass or a leaf, while a .30-30 bullet would plow through 10 feet of brush and two pine trees and continue straight to the target. Later on I learned it takes a .45-70 to do that....
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.300 Wby,read it here on the 'fire that it's the best ever cartridge for elk.
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My 7 mags have been predictably accurate... Not the point of my comment. Some cartridges have a reputation for unexpected changes in pressure or MV with changes in the load recipe. The 7mm Mag is one such cartridge. It's nothing to do with accuracy.
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I have had several 7mm Mags over the years that have come and gone. I bought a Kimber Montana in .300 WSM several years ago and after several successful elk hunts, it is still in my safe. I have never looked back.
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The way I heard it, bullets from a 7mm RM are going so fast they don't have time to expand so they zip right through the animal.
And that's a true statement - not the part about zipping through, but the "I heard it" part. Someone once told me that with a perfectly straight face.
Can't be. I was informed over 30 years ago that those bullets expand as they fly through the air; there simply isn't enough time for them to expand after they hit something and they (Core-lokts) obviously must have expanded before impact otherwise they couldn't create the big craters they sometimes make on the entrance side. That fellow had much more hunting experience than I, and also a lot more education so I'm inclined to think he must have been right, but the internet hadn't yet gotten going, so who knows?
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You guys are forgettin' about them plastic tips melting off...that can't be good.
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Both will work, granted. But, I'll take my 30-06 with a 200gr Partition or Accubond. I know not the answer you were looking for, but there it is. That's a pretty good answer right there...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Using the same bullet Accubonds same velocity 2950fps 300 wsm 180 Accubond 7mm rem mag 160 Accubond to 500 yards.
I've killed at least 1 cow and 3 bull elk with the 300 WSM/180 2,950 combo. Maybe more, but can't remember. I prefer more compact rifles, so I'd take the SA 300 WSM with a 23" bbl. over the 7mm. But the hard truth is I'd sooner pack a 308 Win
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Using the same bullet Accubonds same velocity 2950fps 300 wsm 180 Accubond 7mm rem mag 160 Accubond to 500 yards.
The correct answer is - YES. They are same-same. Never personally shot an elk with the 7RM but have been in the presence of at least 2 (175 Corelokt, 160 NPT) and have killed 3 or so with the 300 WSM (180 NPT). All were dispatched appropriately. I think it comes down to platform and whether you handload. 7RM factory can be a bit wimpy but can be found about anywhere.
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At 500 the 7mm drops .7" less, the 300 has 142 ft lbs more energy. At 500 yards you need a 338 Win Mag. Read that in a gun magazine.
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It's a toss up. I have both. I really prefer a 338 win mag. Better all around for elk.
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At 500 the 7mm drops .7" less, the 300 has 142 ft lbs more energy. At 500 yards you need a 338 Win Mag. Read that in a gun magazine. At 500 yards, you need to sneak a little closer........nice to get within a 1/4 mile or so.
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The way I heard it, bullets from a 7mm RM are going so fast they don't have time to expand so they zip right through the animal.
And that's a true statement - not the part about zipping through, but the "I heard it" part. Someone once told me that with a perfectly straight face.
Well sheeit, that stash of first generation 150 grain Ballistic Tips my 308 is blowing up ought to be just right for a 30-378 then!
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In terms of external and terminal ballistics, I wouldn't expect a difference. I would just take whichever gun shouldered better and had less perceived recoil.
Personally I like the Swift A-frame in magnums that have the speed to make it work right. It's got a little less explosive expansion, and tends to guarantee an exit wound which I like. My 7mm mag elk load is the 175 A-Frame at 2950 ft/s. I used to use 175 partitions.
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I'm not a fan of WSM cartridges, but between the two, that is the one I would choose. The 7mm Mag has a reputation for being a little unpredictable in load development I am a big fan of the 300 WSM. I rid myself of the 7mm Rem Mag's I tried through the years for the reason mentioned.
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I best get rid if my 7 Rem mags too. I only have 5 of them. Poor old things
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.300 Wby,read it here on the 'fire that it's the best ever cartridge for elk. Yeah, we already answered that one. This is for second place
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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