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TC's are one of the worst brands to buy when you want to shoot conicals. TC even used to tell you their rifles were designed for sabots, not conicals. Their QLA system was a poor set up and causes huge accuracy problems with conicals.
That's funny there.My Hawkin's original barrel did not have the QLA, the subsequent two they put on after I wore the barrels out did. All three shot darn good. My two in lines ,have them and they shoot darn good. The Black Diamond will not shoot maxi-balls ,but talking to TC they reccomended the Power Belts, which IMHO is a conical also. I remember they said the inlines different twist and need for a more accurately made bullet than the maxi-ball was the reason. They never told me they would not shoot conicals well and were designed for sabots. Yes,I actually talked to TC a number of times.
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TC's are one of the worst brands to buy when you want to shoot conicals. TC even used to tell you their rifles were designed for sabots, not conicals. Their QLA system was a poor set up and causes huge accuracy problems with conicals.
That's funny there.My Hawkin's original barrel did not have the QLA, the subsequent two they put on after I wore the barrels out did. All three shot darn good. My two in lines ,have them and they shoot darn good. The Black Diamond will not shoot maxi-balls ,but talking to TC they reccomended the Power Belts, which IMHO is a conical also. I remember they said the inlines different twist and need for a more accurately made bullet than the maxi-ball was the reason. They never told me they would not shoot conicals well and were designed for sabots. Yes,I actually talked to TC a number of times. I have several T/Cs. They all shoot. I've had several others. They shot, too.
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My wife's ML is a T/C. Only tested it to 50 yards but accuracy with the PB's was adequate averaging 1.25 inches for 3 shots. The Hornady 250's shot better with most shots touching at 50 yards.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
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Just got back from the range, re-sighted in with 405 gr powerbelts (plain lead).
90 grains of Goex 2F and was 2.5 inches at 75 yards using a ghost ring aperture sight with a Lyman fiber optic front bead.
I think I can hit an elk in the lungs with that load out to 100 yards.
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I've been shooting Power Belts for about 15 years. I shoot 295gr hollow points with three 777 50/50 pellets. I run the same setup only I use 2 - Triple Seven pellets. (More accurate in my gun for some reason) I hope I don't jinx myself but I have had no problems dropping deer with them. *knocks on wood*
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I've been shooting the Hornady 300gr XTP (.452) for EVER.. If you dont mind the Sabot (and I dont) they are awesome. They shoot 1.5 MOA in my T/C Encore 50cal.
I shoot them over 90 grains of loose 777 FFg. I have never had one stay inside a deer.
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TC barrels can run tight. I love the Barnes TMZ-EZ Spitfires.
Load easy, very accurate but it open and cut a hell of a hole while holding together.
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some sorry mofo shot a good 10 pt buck in area 44a with a fugging pb on nov5 ran into him and dipshit buddy on the 6th said they jumped it 3 times from its bed trying to find it and they said its leg was flopping. i just listened fuming inside cause it was about 600yds as the crow flies thru heavy mature pines and undergrowth from where i hunt
bout an hour before i ran into these dipchits on the 6th i was hunting the fringe of a bedding area with plenty of fresh scrapes and rubs and around 10 am i heard what sounded like heavy labored breathing about 200 yds away for around 4-5 minutes thought it strange then i ran into dip and chit on the way back to my truck and this is when i gleaned the info from them i showed dip and chit what a barnes ml expander is and told them pb,s aint worth a pisshole in a snow bank then i show dip and chit a shed i found not 75 yds outta a spot i hunt and dip says he looked like that only somewhaat bigger
im fuming in my mind.........
the shed i found scored 72 inches.........
went back on the 10th no fresh sign on the fringes of the bedding area scrapes all covered in leaves place is shut the fugg down......
im pissed the spot is shut down cause that 10 pt is wounded im thinking
go back on the 11th hunt a spot probably with 100 yds of where i heard the heavy breathing sounds
see buzzards in the area
still dont dawn on me
go home then realize it probably was that buck and it took him a couple of days to die maybe
i need to get back in their this weekend and poke around see if i can find this dead deer
fugg powerbelts and fugg people who cant shoot worth a dam................. fugg powerbelts and fugg people who cant shoot worth a dam................. nuff said.................
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Flip flop much? http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8146046/3Yes you did get plenty of free and greatly reduced priced stuff from CVA and Traditions. Then you turned around and sold a lot of that stuff. You even admitted it on Huntingnet. You sold a freebie rifle to Muley. Thats called a profit in case you failed basic economics class. Traditions sent you no less than one free newer inline for review work.I know for a fact you got lots of free PBs and sold many of them on forums. So oh yes you got paid alright. Just like Randy and Toby get paid....with free stuff. How fast you forget what you post. Maybe if you were not hyping products from sponsors on countless forums you would remember all the crap you spewed out over the years. waff... politicians, prostitutes and prostaff say and do and promote anything in their own vested interest bigblock have tito get you a tissue so you can wipe that cva/pb moneyshot off your chin..................
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Never took a dime my friends. I've shot powerbelts long before i ever knew anyone at cva. Started out with an old cva blazer and tc maxi balls which turned out to be crap ( although the 50 cal version seems much better)
If'n i ever got paid, i'd tell ya so, along with, You got something against Americans earning a pay check? LOL
I've shot more powerbelts that the folks at powerbelt most likely. You've got to get an education and learn them, learn the fault lines, how to improve them. Once that's done you can decide if you want to shoot them or not. Im back with a fur hat, percussion & flintlock with round balls. Its a whole lot more enjoyable to me now days. Inlines no longer interest me and why would they if you think of it.
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I use 260gr Precision Rifle sabots for my first shot from my Knight. Use 348gr Powerbelts for a quick loading second shot as they hit exactly to the same spot as the PR sabots out to 75 yards. Will never use Powerbelts as my first shot as I have been disappointed in their performance.
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I use 260gr Precision Rifle sabots for my first shot from my Knight. Use 348gr Powerbelts for a quick loading second shot as they hit exactly to the same spot as the PR sabots out to 75 yards. Will never use Powerbelts as my first shot as I have been disappointed in their performance. ?
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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SIgh
Never forget the first mule deer I smacked with a White 460 grain super slug at 125 yards more or less. All four feet sticking up in the air and a blood bath on the offside that Helen Keller could see. I don't like gimmick bullets and a PB is a gimmick bullet, I do not like the base design.
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SIgh
Never forget the first mule deer I smacked with a White 460 grain super slug at 125 yards more or less. All four feet sticking up in the air and a blood bath on the offside that Helen Keller could see. I don't like gimmick bullets and a PB is a gimmick bullet, I do not like the base design. Whites were/are awesome.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I use 260gr Precision Rifle sabots for my first shot from my Knight. Use 348gr Powerbelts for a quick loading second shot as they hit exactly to the same spot as the PR sabots out to 75 yards. Will never use Powerbelts as my first shot as I have been disappointed in their performance. Soooo you wound the animal first with the 260 PR and then finish it off with the powerbelt?
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Sooo if the first shot doesn't DRT the deer...and I need a quick finishing shot, I use the Powerbelts. They do load easy.
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Sooo if the first shot doesn't DRT the deer...and I need a quick finishing shot, I use the Powerbelts. They do load easy. Honest question - how fast can you reload and fire said second shot with the PB? Follow-up question - what is the time difference between the PB reload and a reload with the primary bullet/sabot?
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Sooo if the first shot doesn't DRT the deer...and I need a quick finishing shot, I use the Powerbelts. They do load easy. Honest question - how fast can you reload and fire said second shot with the PB? Follow-up question - what is the time difference between the PB reload and a reload with the primary bullet/sabot? I'm kind of a slow old fart,but still reasonably fast in reloads. However,unless the elk is laying there flopping around on the ground,I have yet to be able to reload any bullet by the time the elk thinks "What the hell" and leaves the country.The ones flopping around on the ground are usually dead by the time I get reloaded
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Never took a dime my friends. I've shot powerbelts long before i ever knew anyone at cva. Started out with an old cva blazer and tc maxi balls which turned out to be crap ( although the 50 cal version seems much better)
If'n i ever got paid, i'd tell ya so, along with, You got something against Americans earning a pay check? LOL
I've shot more powerbelts that the folks at powerbelt most likely. You've got to get an education and learn them, learn the fault lines, how to improve them. Once that's done you can decide if you want to shoot them or not. Im back with a fur hat, percussion & flintlock with round balls. Its a whole lot more enjoyable to me now days. Inlines no longer interest me and why would they if you think of it. ya you never get "compensation" for the 10,000 sites you are on spewing your "prostaff opinon".... wow you also have a fur cap wgaf.... "primitive" been their,seen it,done it,got the t-shirt.....
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cap locks are fun, those damn flintlocks though are getting to me. 10k sites? Used to be like that about 6 years ago, after that, the forums, including this one, have dried up.
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