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Great warranty!

You're free to buy all the Kimbers you want.

A great warranty means that either the product is so good they don't care or that it's so cheap to replace they don't care.

Eef da tweest wuzzent zo tight, Zey would shoot holez, not zee kluster you fool!!!!

I think Kimber's issue is they really do a fine job with design - both pistols and rifles, but then it comes time to actually execute them, they cut corners to save money. Hence Montanas with lousy barrels, and pistols that jam and break parts. They took a lot of heat over barrels though, so I suspect they now have better barrels than they did 10 years ago.

Knowing something about manufacturing, it's worth pointing out that tooling costs can be significant. Tooling can be anything from casting patterns, to machining fixtures, to forging dies, plus all the time to redesign them.

I can see the issue though, if Joe Average buys some 40gr factory .22-250 loads, or even his own reloads, and shoots them in a 1 in 8" twist barrel. If they blow up in flight he's likely to blame the rifle.

The .280AI seems to be modestly popular - maybe the .22-250AI could be "domesticated" next, with a 1 in 8" barrel as standard.

I don't accept that because there have been stipulations put on bullets for a long, long time.

The SPSX isn't made for the 22-250. And the 80gr. A-Max isn't made for a 14" twist.

2017 is fast approaching and firearms manufacturers simply aren't keeping up.

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Dave

That right there tells me that guy doesn't shoot much.

Thanks for you thoughts, SAS and JB.

I am thinking the slow down in the gun market may give manufacturers time to get their fingers on the pulse of loonies. For too long damn near anything they made, no matter how cheaply or nonsensically, was all but guaranteed to sell.

Back before I ordered my Creedmoor, I did a lot of research. The common theme with the Creedmoor is that the longer magazine box is what gives it its advantage. Thousands of people acknowledge this. So like Darrik said, wouldn't it stand to reason that a longer magazine box is a good thing with other chamberings as well. Why hasn't the success of the Creedmoor taught manufacturers a lesson?

How often do you hear "I wish this rifle had a slower twist?" How often do you hear the opposite? You'd think someone would take note. Is it really that big of a financial risk to speed up the twist of a few rifles to see how they do?

Again, guns sold so well for so long that maybe manufacturers didn't have to care. With our national binge buying slowing, they are going to have to do something to spark more interest.

JG - I 'tested' some of the special techniques 'required' for light rifles and they didn't pan out for me. I shoot my Kimbers like I shoot everything else.

I do find that the Kimber Montana causes some inconsistency issues - at least for me. While shooting my 30-06, I start with my standard technique and end up grabbing it tighter anticipating recoil. Groups go from 1" to 2" as a result. I wouldn't say its Kimber specific but with the lighter mass, its not hard to tweak it.

I'm must be really lucky. I have 4 Kimbers and they will all do less than an inch with various bullets. I've not shot a factory shell through any of them so can't comment. I've never shot a Tikka either so can't comment. I like the Kimber platform and don't find the extra tweaks bothersome - but I do something to every rifle I've ever owned.

Talking about twists. A puzzle to me in the .224 barrels, this 9 inch twist thing. Why do they almost get there but just not quite. Granted a 9 helps but and 8 inch twist would cover any .224 bullet.
And like SAS I'm not buying they won't shoot light bullets thing. I've shot too many good targets with a 40 grain bullet in a 6 1/2 twist barrel to believe they will not shoot.

PaulBarnard,

The 6.5 Creedmoor does NOT involve a "longer magazine box." Instead it's designed to fit with a little room to spare in the STANDARD short-action magazine, which is a little more the 2.8" long.

This is exactly why it's successful. Rifle manufacturers don't have to do anything to their present rifles except screw on a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel. They don't have to use a longer magazine box, or modify their stocks or actions to accommodate one--which is what rifle loonies often do with other "short action" cartridges that with high-BC bullets are too long for 2.8" magazines.

Ruger is making me angry.




Travis

Except for pure target shooing exercises, I'm having a hard time trying to figure our why a 6.5 CM would replace anyone's 7-08 on game.

MM

Except for lighter recoil, I'd have to agree. They're really quite similar.

Thanks for cleaning up after me John!

This is exactly why I do not have a 6.5CM.

Because it's better, ya big silly.....

Guess I'm just not looney enough.........or perhaps it's because I can read ballistics data for what they are.

MM

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