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Originally Posted by Dutch
Who was it who said "never ascribe to malice, what can be adequately explained by incompetence"?


Or:

"No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby." HL Mencken, 'Notes On Journalism' in the Chicago Tribune, 19 September 1926

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Originally Posted by websterparish47
You guys are all a bit late. This crap started in the late 50's with corps. buying up all the regional news papers, radio stations, and televison stations. All the news became whatever the views of the elitest northeasterners .


The other facet to this mess is the switch in the 60's from "disinterested third party" reporting to "advocacy journalism" as taught at Harvard.

There, the budding SJW culture, fostered by the Communists and Socialists in the faculty, emphasized that "journalists" are required to take a side in any story and "report" from that point of view.

Once that took hold, propaganda became the stuff we read and heard until the Internet freed people to think and see for themselves.

"O" turning control of the Internet over to the faceless globalists means that they will do their best to control the message and limit our ability to discern the truth.

There are some journalists still out there, Sharyl Attkisson, former CBS reporter being one. These folks need every bit of our support.

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Originally Posted by Gus
yep. then us lowly commoners will have to choose between der trumpman and his truths, and the msm versions of the truth.

those are the only two choices of the truth we have, right?

meanwhile there's 7 billion individuals, breeders, etc. loose down here on the earth, and no one makes a sound. surely, we'll all deserve what we get.



Presumably by your presence here, you have a portal into the collective knowledge of humankind - e.g. the internet?

Research, verify, validate. All of the data is out there, some good, some bad. You just need to figure out which is which.



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yep. then us lowly commoners will have to choose between der trumpman and his truths, and the msm versions of the truth.

those are the only two choices of the truth we have, right?

meanwhile there's 7 billion individuals, breeders, etc. loose down here on the earth, and no one makes a sound. surely, we'll all deserve what we get.



Presumably by your presence here, you have a portal into the collective knowledge of humankind - e.g. the internet?

Research, verify, validate. All of the data is out there, some good, some bad. You just need to figure out which is which.




honestly, i'm probably too ignorant to argue. if we have the internet, we ought to make the max use of it, agreed?

7,000,000,000 humans and the internet. what a concept.


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And keep in mind, boys, when you read that prediction... that I am one of the few regulars here at the 24HCF who predicted that Hillary would go down in flames.

Who's your daddy...


You rang? smile

Yes Doc, you do get the Nostradamus award for prognostication.

I've watched the media go from Leftists attempting to be neutral to dropping all pretense of neutrality to the current outright advocacy.

In the Press, I saw it start in the 1980's with my hometown ATL newspapers. Morning was liberal
Op Ed, afternoon was conservative. They merged and appoint Cynthia "I'm a racial SWJ" Tucker to head the Op Ed page. Soon, SJW race chit was in every section. The 1990's were a Clinton love fest and while the population of ATL went from 2 to 4 million in that period, circulation tanked because too many couldn't stomach the pervasive liberal slant everywhere, even the Sports Op Eds. After the point of no return, they dumped Tucker and TRY to present the Right as well as the Left, but they poisoned the well by 2000 and have never recovered, and WON'T!

CNN started with an attempt to be neutral, but after Newt and the GOP took over in 1994, Bernard Shaw and Wolf Blitzer shed all pretense. Once FOX got going, CNN went as far Left as possible to get viewers after conservatives turned them off for good.

The Obamagasm of 2008 was a joyful celebration of the Bush interlude, who the Left still has hanging chad hysteria about. W should have never been POTUS in their eyes. They expected Gore and basically more of Bill Clinton policy. 2008 they had a choice of HRC or BRO-bama. They had cosmic orgasms knowing no GOP candidate stood a chance. Since 2008, they have been wetting their moist little panties at the prospect of HRC running this country. They did everything in their power to elect her (still doing) and it blew up in the face. Phouc Them!

They will not change. They think they are intellectually and morally superior to you. They will have the undying devotion of roughly 1/2 of the country, and they will see the adoration they get in NY, Boston and Cali and think that's the whole country.

Good news here? There is a new media and Trump can bypass them all and he is! Facebook, Twiitter and Youtube. Trumps wants to get something out without the Press distorting it? Youtube, baby! The MSM is obligated to cover since MILLIONS will see it almost instantly. They can't edit it or distort it. They are screwed.

I love it!


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the truth shall set us free, according to the Rev King.


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And Paul Harvey.


I have yet to find anyone as interesting as Mr Harvey.
All my friends thought I was nuts because I used to listen to him during lunch break.




Yes , check out his "And god made a farmer " this was a tribute we did to my a couple weeks ago at his funeral. Along with a video we made of all his favorite toys (tractors) . Was damn hard for me to help make. Even harder to watch.

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Originally Posted by Gus
the truth shall set us free, according to the Rev King.


Truth is, he's dead. He's free at last, but still dead. I'm still here.


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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Sam Donaldson and Dan Rather were two TV personalities who emoted their biases openly and from their time onward the MSM went on the back burner for me; there were others of course but they immediately come to mind. But I agree with Websterparish that the media began giving up their "watchdog of the republic" status in the 50's and onward with the infiltration of socialists, secular-progressives, and communists into education, government, and The Media. The Media, generally, have completely abdicated their role as journalists and have become snide, cynical, lying editorialists while poorly attempting to appear as neutral intelligentsia.

Doc Roc, I disagree that this will turn around due to owners, boards of directors, stock holders, etc., because enough of them are of the same infiltrated generation and more specifically, infiltrated power-brokers as those we see, hear, and read (if we still do). They are as idealogical as is Obama and post-modernism, hence multiculturalism, and everything under those umbrellas is a religion as much as is Christianity.

Trump is going to be fighting or circumventing The Media the whole way as they will be dedicated to delegitimizing him minimally or destroying him.


Don't disagree, George. But, what I believe Trump should do is what I've been spouting since his win and the MSM continued their lies. Create his own news force. MSM members don't speak truthfully? Easy call. "You're out".
Only Trump's hand-picked news staff would have exclusive access to him. Kill the snake. Kill the poison.


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Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Walter Cronkite was also an outspoken, left wing anti-Second Amendment radical.I've heard him on his national radio show call for the banning and confiscation of all our firearms.

Also, when I lived in Los Angeles, around 1995 or 1996, in the Sunday Magazine edition of the Los Angeles Times, there was a very long interview of Cronkite. He admitted that he was and always had been a "Democratic Socialist." He also said that many, many very influincial people had begged him to run for President of the U.S., but he had declined to become President because he'd make so many people mad.

When the interviewer asked him why, he answered, "Because the first thing I'd do would be to have all guns confiscated?"

No, Cronkite and his fellow travelers were as skewed to the far left as they could be. Same as Donaldson, Rather, Brokaw, Mike Wallace, etc., etc. A plague on all of them, I say.

L.W.


Cronkite was a spinner of yarns, a purveyor of half truths in a time when that was the attainable outer edge of socialist journalism.
"That's the way it was" was never the way it really was.


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the truth shall set us free, according to the Rev King.


Truth is, he's dead. He's free at last, but still dead. I'm still here.


true enough. his body, etc is out of here.

the ideology he possessed and attempted to advance forward is successful or not.

once again, with feeling, we have 7,000,000,000 humans walking the Urth. surely somebody has a plan for how to deal with the process as we move forward?


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In God I trust. He'll snuff us out when he's ready.


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Originally Posted by Dutch
Who was it who said "never ascribe to malice, what can be adequately explained by incompetence"?

The MSM came into the internet age at the same time as their owners started being hit by competition. The owners put the news staff on short leashes for cost reasons, and it took only a few short years for those reporters to basically never leave the building. You could do interviews via the phone and email, research on the internet, and bingo, you have a perfect bubble the journalists never got out of.

I don't know how many reporters and talking heads I heard say this cycle that they basically knew NOBODY that voted for Trump.

That's because they know NOBODY outside their hyper-provincial urban world.


TRUTH - life inside the elite bubble.


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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Sam Donaldson and Dan Rather were two TV personalities who emoted their biases openly and from their time onward the MSM went on the back burner for me; there were others of course but they immediately come to mind. But I agree with Websterparish that the media began giving up their "watchdog of the republic" status in the 50's and onward with the infiltration of socialists, secular-progressives, and communists into education, government, and The Media. The Media, generally, have completely abdicated their role as journalists and have become snide, cynical, lying editorialists while poorly attempting to appear as neutral intelligentsia.

Doc Roc, I disagree that this will turn around due to owners, boards of directors, stock holders, etc., because enough of them are of the same infiltrated generation and more specifically, infiltrated power-brokers as those we see, hear, and read (if we still do). They are as idealogical as is Obama and post-modernism, hence multiculturalism, and everything under those umbrellas is a religion as much as is Christianity.

Trump is going to be fighting or circumventing The Media the whole way as they will be dedicated to delegitimizing him minimally or destroying him.


Don't disagree, George. But, what I believe Trump should do is what I've been spouting since his win and the MSM continued their lies. Create his own news force. MSM members don't speak truthfully? Easy call. "You're out".
Only Trump's hand-picked news staff would have exclusive access to him. Kill the snake. Kill the poison.


Could be. It's why I used the word "circumventing". I hope he does that in some imaginative way.

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Originally Posted by Dutch
Who was it who said "never ascribe to malice, what can be adequately explained by incompetence"?

The MSM came into the internet age at the same time as their owners started being hit by competition. The owners put the news staff on short leashes for cost reasons, and it took only a few short years for those reporters to basically never leave the building. You could do interviews via the phone and email, research on the internet, and bingo, you have a perfect bubble the journalists never got out of.

I don't know how many reporters and talking heads I heard say this cycle that they basically knew NOBODY that voted for Trump.

That's because they know NOBODY outside their hyper-provincial urban world.


Good post, Dutch.

The key element to understanding the problem is the deeper meaning of the "competition" you refer to. Competition, in the news business, means who gets advertisers' dollars. Higher circulation = higher ratings = higher prices for ads, which means more revenue.

In the days of William Randolph Hearst, owning a newspaper was as good as owning the mint. You printed money, not news.

Up until the 1920's, news was delivered thru newspapers. Newspapers didn't really get any real competition until cable news came along; then the internet came along, and BOTH the newspapers and cable news got shafted.

We're watching the emergence of a new news paradigm. Who knows what it will look like?



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Remember, it was Walter who told us the Vietnam war was lost and we had no business being there. I really am glad that he was so smart, and finally showed his stripes!

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