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That's the ammo specially designed to ensure function in the Savage autolaoder. Runs about 100fps faster than standard. CCI makes it.
What fresh Hell is this?
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Had Winchester went .20 cal I'd be onboard. An even faster .17 does nothing for me.
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What is the advantage of the 17WSM with 25gr bullets at 3000 over the 223 with 50gr bullets at 3000, almost the same BC and absolutely better availability of everything across the board. I think the WSM will suffer the same fate as the .17 mach2. Not enough rifles chambered for it, ammo supply dried up for lack of sales. When you CAN find some Mach 2 it costs more than .17HMR or .22 Magnum. If Ruger doesn't chamber it's American for the .17 WSM, it's fate is sealed. A slow lingering death. JMO
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I don't get it. Winchester makes the fastest 17 rim fire,but doesn't make an affordable rifle chambered for it. There is however one for $1200 (Winchester low wall on gunbroker).
I agree a Ruger American in 17 wsm would be awesome. Maybe it's in the works since they discontinued the 77 rimfires.
Last edited by alwaysoutdoors; 12/19/16.
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Had Winchester went .20 cal I'd be onboard. An even faster .17 does nothing for me. Speed kills! Doesn't "do anything " for me either, I just wanted the fastest rimfire
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What is the advantage of the 17WSM with 25gr bullets at 3000 over the 223 with 50gr bullets at 3000, almost the same BC and absolutely better availability of everything across the board. I think the WSM will suffer the same fate as the .17 mach2. Not enough rifles chambered for it, ammo supply dried up for lack of sales. When you CAN find some Mach 2 it costs more than .17HMR or .22 Magnum. If Ruger doesn't chamber it's American for the .17 WSM, it's fate is sealed. A slow lingering death. JMO The poor ammo Winchester shipped in their initial shipments sure didn't help things, either, but the lack of good, affordable rifles have pretty much killed it, in my mind. I have two HMRs and a .17 Hornet, so it's appeal was lost on me from the git-go, but I followed things pretty closely, and it's not looking good, from my point of view.
You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.
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Looks like the savages basically suck. Multiple posters at rimfire central are talking about their replacements from Savage. Mine hasn't broken. Some over there also said the ruger Americans cannot withstand the round due to pressure. I doubt Ruger is going to make a "ground up" design for just the 17 wsm round.
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The .17 WSM got off to a bad start. Rifles and ammo both had issues.
I don't see much 25Gr. ammo, but I have been buying 20 Gr. less than .22Mag. Just 1 more rifle in the pile.
I will not own a Ruger, however.
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The problem all 17 rimfires is the low cost of 22LR and 223, and trying find a niche between them.
They dumped 17M2 at less than the cost of the 17Vmax bullet in it, and I bought many bricks. Those prices did not stay at 7 cents a shot.
In the long run, it is hard to squeeze between the 22LR and 223.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
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Is it "coming" or is it "going"? Ammo availability? Opinions on Rifles.
The Fail Boat has left port. It's not coming back. Clark
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Had Winchester went .20 cal I'd be onboard. An even faster .17 does nothing for me. If they had an ounce of sense they'd go 22 cal and load the 35gr. Hornady. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Is it "coming" or is it "going"? Ammo availability? Opinions on Rifles.
The Fail Boat has left port. It's not coming back. Yep - already sailed over the horizon, IMHO...
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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FWIW, I was in dicks sporting goods looking for a ruger American . I struck out,but noticed 3 Savage 17 wsm on the rack and they had a Safariman load of Winchester and federal ammo for them.
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I sold the scope on my Savage b-mag. Today I mounted and sighted in a vari x iii 3.5 -10x40 that didn't have a home. Shot it at 25,50 and 100 yards with the original Winchester 25 grain ammo. At 100 yards it was not real tight groups (2 shots at 2" apart). I'm going to try the 20 grain in federal or hornady. I will update with some kill photos.
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no thank you.......call me the frugal shooter....... 32 cents a shot.........ouch I'll shoot my 20VT...20PT even my 223AI cheaper than that http://www.targetsportsusa.com/17-wsm-ammo-c-988.aspx
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Perfect example of 'more' is not better. I find the .17HMR to be about perfect for rock chucks and jack rabbits. Have been doing my part to keep Hornady in the .17HMR business as I have launched over 6 boxes of .17HMR's at Jack rabbits so far this winter.
The problem with centerfires is the noise. I can shoot with rimfires and nobody notices/cares - as soon as a centerfire goes boom, different story. Finding places remote enough to safely shoot a centerfire is getting difficult even here in sparsely populated Southern Idaho.
FWIW: The last couple bricks of .17HMR have been running me about $11/ box or $0.22 per round. Not cheap but such an improvement over .22lr it's worth it to me.
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my rimfire 17 is the 17M2......
my quiet one...just because thats the rifle I have....
along with a stash of ammo......
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Albeit a brilliant round, I'm afraid that one is even closer to extinction than the WSM.......
A true sportsman counts his achievements in proportion to the effort involved and fairness of the sport. - S. Pope
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I figure if I shoot my M2 500 rds a year......
my ammo stash will last 10 yrs.....
thats alot of dead p/dogs........and feral cats
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What is the advantage of the 17WSM with 25gr bullets at 3000 over the 223 with 50gr bullets at 3000, almost the same BC and absolutely better availability of everything across the board. Some states limit public lands to rimfire only. We can only use centerfire on private land her.
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