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Best and Texas rarely mix.
Dave Dave, you probably know that I'm an Okie, but I think your comment is tongue in cheek. I will say in this case they mix.
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Yes. Just joking around.
I know they're good.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Yes. Just joking around.
I know they're good.
Dave You have a PM.
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Nez.... you gotta know Dave.... he is A OK.
Jeff
PS Keith is one of the best shooters I've seen in a long time. I"m impressed.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Butch and Jeff,
Thank you.
Dave,
My apology.
Nez
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Can't help. When I was shooting CMP matches,then DCM the Garand was predominately being used. We looked at those funny M16's just coming on scene and thought you could never shoot 85 gr bullets out of a sheet metal rifle 600 yards with any accuracy.Boy were we embarased.
If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles
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Saddle, don't worry, we shot M1A to start with. Carolyn had an AR for a few months... 69s even suck at 600 at one of the worst wind ranges we ever shot on. As far as I know a 200 was never shot there at 600.... Though Nez had a 199 IIRC on an easier morning once...
But the advent of getting around to 80 jlks and such, and better triggers, float tubes and so on made the difference for sure....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Butch and Jeff,
Thank you.
Dave,
My apology.
Nez No need. Happy New Year. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Thanks Kingston.
I wonder which optic is most popular for these events now? I'm thinking the SWFA SS would be about perfect.
Most of us that don't have Nightforce-depth pockets use the Vortex Viper PST 1-4X.
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Which barrels do you prefer ? Shilen Select 4 Grooves 8 Twist 1:8 twist ain't gonna work for Service Rifle comps.. You'll need a 1:7 to spin up the 77 and 80 grainers that we use. I use a WOA Wilson barrel and switch it out about every 2,500 rounds, whether it needs it or not.
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Which barrels do you prefer ? Shilen Select 4 Grooves 8 Twist 1:8 twist ain't gonna work for Service Rifle comps.. You'll need a 1:7 to spin up the 77 and 80 grainers that we use. I use a WOA Wilson barrel and switch it out about every 2,500 rounds, whether it needs it or not. You're wrong. Bamban gunsmithed the winner's upper for Camp Perry and used the Shilen 4 groove ratchet 8 twist. They also used the superior March scope, not a Nightforce or Vortex. Check out Keith Stephens and also how the Texas State rifle team ended up.
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Which barrels do you prefer ? Shilen Select 4 Grooves 8 Twist 1:8 twist ain't gonna work for Service Rifle comps.. You'll need a 1:7 to spin up the 77 and 80 grainers that we use. I use a WOA Wilson barrel and switch it out about every 2,500 rounds, whether it needs it or not. You're wrong. Bamban gunsmithed the winner's upper for Camp Perry and used the Shilen 4 groove ratchet 8 twist. They also used the superior March scope, not a Nightforce or Vortex. Check out Keith Stephens and also how the Texas State rifle team ended up. Okay. First I've heard of an 8-twist being used in a while, ever since most folks switched from 69 SMK's to 77's. But, oh well. March scopes...uhhuh...better dig even deeper in your pockets for that.
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Maybe Bamban will post the bullet size and brand. He uses Bat barrel extension and his spec ed reamer. His attention to machining and detail is just wonderful. I believe the Texas team set a record that was quite a bit better than to old record. Unfortunately Keith joined the Army and will be shooting with them this year.
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We shot 75 VLDs, 80 SMKs, 80 VLDS, 80.5 Bergers, and 82 Bergers through the 4G 8T Shilens.
At the last LEG MATCH at Bayou Rifles in Houston, Keith shot the 82s, had 200-11X at 6, Buddy shot the 75 VLDs and ripped it 200-11X, with the 10s forming a nice group around the X ring. Lee dropped a point on his first shot, posted 199-15X.
Back in the day when Jeff and I shot together, I used the 7.8 T Obermeyer(might as well be 8T) My old friend Bill Wylde, the creator of the Wylde reamer, did the barrels for me back then. Using 80 VLDs, the little 20 inch rifle won the High Service Rifle at the 1998 Long Range Championship, shooting against M14s and M1s.
You don't need a 7T to shoot clear to 1000.
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Are there any standard, go-to type loadings or factory ammo that seem to consistently shoot well?
I'm actually running low on my stash of 75gr. BTHP's and was wondering if there is anything I should test during the rest of this winter?
Travis
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Travis, go to White Oak Precision's website and look under "technical articles" I believe for good load info.. Basically, 24.0 gr. of Varget, TAC, or Reloder 15 under a 75 gr or 77 gr bullet is all that's necessary. Don't waste time ammo testing for Service Rifle - the lab rats have already done the development
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That's what I was thinking and I'm glad to read that.
Travis
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What scope did you settle on?
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I'm gonna get the SWFA HD but for right now I'm just shooting with irons.
I haven't put a sling on in a long time.
Travis
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The Creedmoor loadings with the 75gr. HPBT seem like a pretty decent deal.
Anybody ever run any of that stuff?
Dave
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