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TFB is reporting a S&W M&P M2.0 which looks an awful lot like the 1.0. Still has the goofy two piece trigger, so they failed to improve the one thing that really was a flaw in my book.
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"Smith & Wesson Corp. today announced the debut of the M&P M2.0 pistol, the latest innovation from the iconic firearms company. Designed for personal, sporting, and professional use, the M&P M2.0 delivers an entirely new platform, introducing innovative features in nearly every aspect of the pistol, including trigger, grip, frame, and finish. Highlights of the M&P M2.0 pistol include an extended stainless-steel chassis and high grip to barrel bore axis ratio for reduced muzzle rise and faster aim recovery. The M&P M2.0 pistol further improves performance with a fine-tuned, crisper trigger, lighter pull and a tactile and audible reset. The pistol, available in three calibers, includes an aggressively-textured grip and four interchangeable palmswell inserts for optimal hand-fit and trigger reach. The striker-fire, semi-automatic polymer pistol is available in matte black or FDE – Flat Dark Earth – finishes, and includes two magazines, a limited lifetime warranty and a lifetime service policy. | More Info..."
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That goofy two piece trigger works great...
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They dropped the ball on the slide serrations, but did a good thing with the beavertail IMO.
The current production PRO triggers are great out of the box. These are different, I just don't know how different, but it looks like S&W is finally figuring out what a trigger is supposed to feel like.
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I hope the "improvements" didn't lead to even more fiddly little parts.
I realize they have to tap dance around Glock's ignition design, so I try to be understanding. But the 2.0 version's fancy new sculpturing and textures don't mean squat to the functioning of the pistol. And the current version draws enough blood.
Given a choice I'll still take a plain, unsculpted, ugly Gen2/Gen3 Glock that goes bang every time, has a decent trigger pull, and contains an amazingly low list of parts to fail.
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They dropped the ball on the slide serrations I have a friend who is a die-hard S&W fan. His loyalty to the brand knows no limits, and the M&P, to him, should have made all other designs obsolete. Any S&W is a 10, anything else is a 1..... I mean, if S&W sold toilet paper, that would be all he'd buy. The serrations are the pinnacle of this design. They totally set the M&P apart on that merit. He fawns over that often. We were talking recently and the conversation came around to service pistols and the popularity of Glock with people who depended on weapons for a livelihood, and he could not understand that these guys tend to go with a proven design with a very good track record. He is sure that by that next week, all those 19s will be replaced. He has, obviously, never worked in a field of work that takes him into harm's way....but he knows, even more so than the guys who go towards the sounds of guns... Not condemning the M&P, just telling you about my acquaintance.
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I don't know what trigger is in my recently purchased .45CAl Shield but its better to my taste than any stock glock trigger that I own. I am tempted to trade my G43 for a 9mm shield based on the 45.
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The triggers on the M&P Shield are good. The ones on the M&P Shield Performance Center are very good.
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Tell your friend about the millions S&W paid glock to settle the liable suit, where Smith attacked Glocks for being dangerous for officers. Then the suit where Smith violated Glock patents, building a gun with parts that fit right in a Glock. Smith generally makes really good guns, but as for the company, I despise a lot of their decisions. Despite ownership changes, unethical moves have spanned decades.
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Since I don't have stock in either company, I don't care about that financial/patent/legal stuff. What I care about is function, features, reliability and, if all that is fairly equal, which one is American made/owned. This is why I chose the Shield over the Glock 43.
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Look good to me.
I love the M&P.
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I'm a Ruger guy for sure, but my CCW is an M&P 9. They are the schizl.
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When I criticize the trigger, it's not the quality of the trigger pull/break, but the two piece trigger design. And that's because it's supposed to be a "safety" feature, but it offers no safety at all, and being two piece, it will eventually break at the hinge. So they complicated the trigger to absolutely no advantage.
Now being practical, it's just a minor annoyance; it's not as if it causes problems. But it really doesn't offer any "safety" at all.
As for the rest of the M&P, I've been a fan since day one. Literally the only thing I don't like about the M&P is the trigger. And they only came up with that trigger because they didn't want to pay a royalty to Glock on their trigger.
But my M&P was accurate, reliable, and I think the M&P's have great ergonomics.
I saw a 2.0 at the LGS a couple of days ago. S&W added some metal reinforcement to the dust cover area which I found interesting. If I had to guess, it's to reduce flex when a weapon light is mounted. Both Glock and S&W have experienced some malfunction issues when various weapon lights are mounted, so I'm guessing S&W took this opportunity to address that issue, or potential issue.
S&W also made changes to the fire control section, which means all of the Apex triggers out there will not work in the 2.0. But I'm sure Apex is already working on that.
I'm not sure what the purpose of the changes to the fire control are, but I'm sure S&W had their reasons.
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How many of those triggers have you seen break?
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Last I tried to figure, I have roughly 13,000 live rounds through my 9mm Pro, 9,000 though my .45, and 2,000 though my 9c...probably ten times that in dry fire cycles in the 9 Pro and .45... and no broken triggers.
Of the dozen or so M&Ps we have in the field, have yet to see a broken trigger...
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Same here.
I've got fairly personal experience now with nearly 4,000 M&Ps and a round count that's probably closer to a million than not.
I've seen stuff break on M&Ps, but never a trigger.
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I haven't seen the actual trigger break, but I've seen three that quit firing. In a work gun or defensive gun, that's very uninspiring.
In related news, does anyone know if the magazines remained the same between the original and 2.0 models? I bought half a dozen in November, not knowing the 2.0 model was on the horizon.
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What happened to make them quit firing?
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The MP's goofy two piece trigger feels a lot better to my trigger finger that the [bleep]-safety on the Glock. As to trigger pull quality, MP's do seem to be all over the place. I shot an early fullsize 45 with a trigger so awful and unpredictable I didn't want an MP for several years.
But now the wife and I both 40 Compacts with excellent stock two-stage triggers that break crisply at 5.5 pounds. Great little guns.
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