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I'd say the odds are 99.9-1 against.. I think you are right. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Gotta have a huge, powerful regulatory enforcement agency to keep those evil things like suppressors out of the hands of the public. They are the government. They are here to help. Themselves.
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I'd support disbanding the ATF
Me too..
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Most gun laws are unconstitutional. Get rid of the unconstitutional laws and there's no need for the ATF. Yep.
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Do away with the whole illegal 1968 GCA and the ATF becomes unneeded. No need for consolidation of something with no purpose anyway.
Get rid of Homeland Security too. Pull out of the United Nations. Both are akin to shooting your own dick. This.
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Since ATF agents are so good at staking paperwork....they can use that skill staking bricks and build the wall on are southern border...... Stacking??
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Campfire Kahuna
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Most gun laws are unconstitutional. Get rid of the unconstitutional laws and there's no need for the ATF. Yep. That's exactly what it boils down to.
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I don't know enough about what the ATF does to say. I can say the 4473 and all the associated stuff could be done away with by simply having a +/- mark on a driver's license regarding if someone is good to go. If a change in there status they have to renew the driver's license immediately.
The FFL would only need to look at it and verify that is the person. No more calling things in, record keeping, etc.
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Campfire Kahuna
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I don't know enough about what the ATF does to say. I can say the 4473 and all the associated stuff could be done away with by simply having a +/- mark on a driver's license regarding if someone is good to go. If a change in there status they have to renew the driver's license immediately.
The FFL would only need to look at it and verify that is the person. No more calling things in, record keeping, etc. If someone is considered "safe" enough to be walking the streets free, then that is all that is needed. If they aren't, then they need a .22lr behind the ear, or to be incarcerated.
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I don't know enough about what the ATF does to say. I can say the 4473 and all the associated stuff could be done away with by simply having a +/- mark on a driver's license regarding if someone is good to go. If a change in there status they have to renew the driver's license immediately.
The FFL would only need to look at it and verify that is the person. No more calling things in, record keeping, etc. It's really amazing,...mention Fast and Furious these days, and folks think you're talking about a hollyweird action / car chase flick. .....sad. GTC
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I don't know enough about what the ATF does to say. I can say the 4473 and all the associated stuff could be done away with by simply having a +/- mark on a driver's license regarding if someone is good to go. If a change in there status they have to renew the driver's license immediately.
The FFL would only need to look at it and verify that is the person. No more calling things in, record keeping, etc. It's really amazing,...mention Fast and Furious these days, and folks think you're talking about a hollyweird action / car chase flick. .....sad. GTC I'm not familiar with all the inner workings or much they do related to alcohol or tobacco...maybe they do a lot, I don't know. I am familiar with some of the screwups they've been a part of...but I don't know everything they are involved in.
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I'm not familiar with all the inner workings or much they do related to alcohol or tobacco...maybe they do a lot, I don't know. I am familiar with some of the screwups they've been a part of...but I don't know everything they are involved in.
In short, they make sure the government gets their cut of the money. That's what it's about. Period.
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It's really amazing,...mention Fast and Furious these days, and folks think you're talking about a hollyweird action / car chase flick.
.....sad.
GTC What do you think the body count is up to nowadays? I'd guess north of 2000 for sure, possibly much higher.
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I don't know enough about what the ATF does to say. I can say the 4473 and all the associated stuff could be done away with by simply having a +/- mark on a driver's license regarding if someone is good to go. If a change in there status they have to renew the driver's license immediately.
The FFL would only need to look at it and verify that is the person. No more calling things in, record keeping, etc. That would be insufficiently inconvenient to the purchaser.
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If someone is considered "safe" enough to be walking the streets free, then that is all that is needed.
If they aren't, then they need a .22lr behind the ear, or to be incarcerated.
This.
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If they get rid of the ATF there will be a whole lot of college educated women and Mexicans that won't be able to bully white men around.
I remember one audit at my shop that was performed by a couple of chicks. My buddy was in the Marine Corps and was on the hunt for some split tail. This one ATF chick came in the second day of her "audit" and my buddy made some pretty funny comments to her and then asked her out. She politely declined because she claimed she had a boyfriend but that didn't deter him. He followed her around and hounded the chit out of her. It was the shortest audit in history and we passed with flying colors.
Coincidentally she was telling us that the first 2 work hours of every day was spent at the gym because she got paid to workout and her gym membership was paid by the ATF. He kept asking her if he could work her out for 2 hours, she was blushing and politely declined. It was pretty fugging funny to see such an empowered bitch reduced to her basic self.
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On another note. I got a call from the ATF in Virginia this passed summer, several calls actually, I ignored them. Finally a couple of months ago I realized they weren't going to give up so I called them back. They asked where the complete gun log was for the shop that I closed down 4 years ago. I had printed it out and sent it back to Quantico along with the 4473's the day we closed down. He asked if I could print out another one and I told him nope, the computer is gone. I asked him if this is so important why are they so careless with in their job? He said that this happened a lot (lost records in their possession) I laughed out loud and told him I expected nothing less from a US agency that arms the drug cartels. He mumbled something and I told him my business with the ATF was completed 4 years and to quit calling me as I WILL NOT respond any further. That was the last I heard from that useless group of fu.cksticks, thankfully.
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Yes. The problem with any special purpose agency is that they will expand upon and compound their mission to gain more influence, more money, more staff, more "importance".
What's really funny is how they show up to so may fires and mundane explosions. If some sort of industrial process explodes it is a stretch to think that it involved "explosives" in the sense of the ATF's mission.
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Most gun laws are unconstitutional. Get rid of the unconstitutional laws and there's no need for the ATF. Nailed it.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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Symbolic. Never intended to pass. .Gov never voluntarily gives up power over the masses.
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I'd say the odds are 99.9-1 against.. Pretty good estimate, bill is going nowhere.
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